Jordan Retro 6 "Maroon" - Dec. 5, 2015 ($220)

[jay zoe2]

Thanks for the claim of me having no concept of business... I actually have a business degree, and have worked in business most of my adult life. While what you say does make a lot of sense, and is mostly correct, the other fact of the matter is if a large amount of people drop off from buying something, the stores start to order less, and in the long run that also affects Nike. I have spoken to smaller shops that have been cutting back their Nike orders because it doesn't sell like it used to. Of course stores still make money when product is marked down, and yes Nike has already made the wholesale from selling it... but in the end both parties prefer the product does not have to see mark downs because it affects the bottom line of both.

And again for everyone, I'm not referring to the "game" as just resale, that's just one aspect of it... even just copping as a collector has become a "game" in many areas. In the mid 2000's I could go into any store and cop a retro afternoon of the releases, sometimes weeks later (i'm in Canada). For the most part that had changed, until the last few drops. All I'm saying is **** is changing, and it could shake **** up. Not looking for arguments, just pointing out the recent drastic shift in sneaker culture...

I wasn't attacking you, it's just that too many people on this board who have no understanding of business continually make comments while being ignorant or not fully having an understanding of business and marketing principles.

As far as the smaller shops ordering less - long story short - they don't matter! I am pretty sure if you ask them, and they answer truthfully, it will be discovered that nike/JB stopped giving them access to the "GOOD" stuff. Once Nike/JB is no longer giving you access to/or guaranteeing that you will get the occasional limited releases, what incentives does a shop have to order all the other crap/non-hyped stuff Nike throws at them. Nike/JB's actions the past few years have pretty shown that unless you get that coveted tier zero designator (I think that designator has been changed), your shop can go kick rocks. It's also one of the reasons, but not the only one why you see more and more mom and pop shops selling shoes above retail when they used to sell at retail a couple years agos. Nike cut them off, so they have to get their product via other means. They no longer get it at the retail cost, so they have to up the price. People think that these mom and pops selling you a $190 shoe early for $250-$300 is making a killing? Most of them are damn near paying retail for those shoes. Account for rent, payroll, and those shoes being their biggest means of store income, it's a wrap longterm for them!

With the success of the big chains and their own retail locations, Nike/JB can pretty much decide to complete leave out the little guys. From the looks of things, one of the reason Nike/JB hasn't gone that route is the litigation that it would bring about. They would throw everything from: collusion, fair business practices, and monopolistic practices at them.

 

[ftrztkp]

so after reading some pages..

lets clear up some stuff...


these are in fact a "quick strike" release in footlocker family of stores

which means no reward points or discounts not even for employees


now the whole GR or not a GR debate is crazy so ill dead that now


is it allocated to many stores?

yes

are the allocation per store high?

not really


so for example

the smallest allocation for these in GS sizing is 48 pairs

the smallest allocation in mens sizing is 56 pairs


now if we were going to compare it to another jordan shoe thats dropped this year its slightly under the laney 14 as far as allocation goes

and for just a comparrison cyber monday 1's are FAR more limited then these(in stores dunno about online)


i hate the term "limited GR" personally but i could see someone saying this for these

as for the aqua comparison goes its dumb knock that off

aquas were allocated crazy high even to low volume shops

im talking 300-500 pairs to small shops

and honestly looking over some data and emails they have had about a 72% sell through(as of this typing)


so figured 300 pairs 72% sell through thats like 216 pairs sold

$190 X 216 = $41,040

of course that is without tax

now thats a single shop so imagine all around


people see pairs "sitting" and get gassed by it

real pairs sitting are 3 peat 8 or those last marvin shoes etc...

insanely poor sell through on those 2 pairs like 28% initially

jesus... 72% sale through rate ?!? was this just for FTL inc stores as a whole?

props for the info vamp!

 

[JetLife84]

@vampire xtc do you think that QS label will start being the new thing for retros to get away from discounts being given? Thanks for the info too fam

Hard to tell but I can say is I have bought qs shoes on discount before. 

 

[killua]

i could give a damn what they call it or how they justify it as long as the shoe is easy for me to obtain on release day.

 

[bbestsb]

It's sounding like half the numbers of what was available for aquas in some places if that helps give anyone an idea. Won't be a super difficult pick up, but not quite as easy as other recent drops like Bordeaux's or Aquas. Hope everyone that really wants them gets them. Really classic looking shoe.

 

[pmpdaddyrobford]

plus mainly one color and not a very popular one at that

Gotta disagree with you there.  
I always wanted these and I'm happy to have the opportunity to buy a DS pair(s) at retail.

nah in general, I love a mainly one color shoe such as white. sport blues are one of the best shoes from last year imo

 

[Getting_Busy_Since_89]

Scooping these.... having limited shoes also plays a factor for some collectors. I myself hate wearing a shoe every one even lil kids have on. Like bred 11 lows, etc. But does like the ability to purchase with ease. I think it's a grass is greener on that side until you get over there on that c side and realize the greener grass doesn't seem to be what you've expected. Everyone like limited anything ... doesn't matter what the object is

 

[pmpdaddyrobford]

Scooping these.... having limited shoes also plays a factor for some collectors. I myself hate wearing a shoe every one even lil kids have on. Like bred 11 lows, etc. But does like the ability to purchase with ease. I think it's a grass is greener on that side until you get over there on that c side and realize the greener grass doesn't seem to be what you've expected. Everyone like limited anything ... doesn't matter what the object is

These aren't limited, guess you'll have to hypebeast over somethin else

 

[vampire xtc]

jesus... 72% sale through rate ?!? was this just for FTL inc stores as a whole?


props for the info vamp!

yea ftl family of stores


like i said the shoe MOVED great just a ton of pairs

plus factor in how stacked the relese schedule is some poeple pass for other shoes

i mean aqua drops but within the week immediately after you have

cyber monday 1
maroon 6
victor cruz(grey pair i think)

plus i could be forgetting stuff as im sure a kobe lebron or KD drop here and there

and some will just wait for 72-10 release


the shoe will sell out its just CRAZY congested right now with shoe drops

 

[vampire xtc]

@vampire xtc do you think that QS label will start being the new thing for retros to get away from discounts being given? Thanks for the info too fam

over all nah


i kinda expected a nike air branded jordan to be QS in the system

some shoes are just done this way

like slam 6 no discounts cigar and champagnes etc..

 

[vampire xtc]

Hard to tell but I can say is I have bought qs shoes on discount before. 

lots have even myself lol

more often than not you get an employee that doesnt know and they push the discount through


sometimes they even sell a shoe early by mistake which recently had happened with the infa red 90's

some stores sold some like 2 weeks in advance by accident lol

 

[Getting_Busy_Since_89]

These aren't limited, guess you'll have to hypebeast over somethin else

Before you judge some one, try understanding foo. Obviously you misinterpreted my statement or I didn't paint a clear enough picture. But I buy, general releases even some off clearance I've rocked pf flyers and polo flats all the way to Sperry's but certain shoes I prefer to be limited. These I prefer to be general release because I have a 20$ vip coupon and I needs but for the low

 

[headdetective]

what is this clown talking about the cement iv isnt a og colorway?

I cut that **** off once he said that.

 

[Magic33]

I cut that **** off once he said that.

I saw that and

If you don't know something simple like that, you need to educate yourself. The bad thing is these young kids look to these youtube dudes for knowledge and they represent the "culture". They get flown out and opportunities to meet with these sneaker companies, because they are influencers.

 

[starfox070]

Haha at 4's not og one of the most iconic pairs ever made imo I love the color blocking on those.


Guess I will have to break my cycle and actually leave my house and put in raffles for these 6's doe smh

 

[jeffnsee]

Can't wait for these. They look super clean in the latest pics. I'm probably gonna skip on the 72-10s for these.

 

[blackmondays]

I thought I called that laney 14 # but still putting in work have to get an 8.5 for baby girl 

 

[MarJae]

Ok so im inquiring a little advice guys. I have a store where I can go purchase these today (I'm sure over retail but not sure how much) should I go cop or wait for RD?

Thanks everyone for the advice I appreciate it and took a little from everyone that responded.....I decided to wait for RD. The store wanted $100 over retail and I had to make an in store purchase to cop early. Based on the shoes availability and The Villa around the corner from me doing the ticket system (get a ticket guaranteed a pair) my decision was made. Hope I don't regret it but hey "No nuts no glory".

 

[adm3]

Thanks everyone for the advice I appreciate it and took a little from everyone that responded.....I decided to wait for RD. The store wanted $100 over retail and I had to make an in store purchase to cop early. Based on the shoes availability and The Villa around the corner from me doing the ticket system (get a ticket guaranteed a pair) my decision was made. Hope I don't regret it but hey "No nuts no glory".

u made the rite decision bro!!! Even if u miss out on RD u still shud b able to cop a pair after release for less than over 100$ retail bc i thnk alotta resellers will b stuck with these an will b lookin to dump them for near retail.... so GOOD CHOICE

 

[MarJae]

u made the rite decision bro!!! Even if u miss out on RD u still shud b able to cop a pair after release for less than over 100$ retail bc i thnk alotta resellers will b stuck with these an will b lookin to dump them for near retail.... so GOOD CHOICE

Fingers crossed I'm about to head up to Villa with in the next hour to cop my purchase ticket. I'm in Chicago and will give an update for my NTers in the Chicago market.

 

[pmpdaddyrobford]

These aren't limited, guess you'll have to hypebeast over somethin else

Before you judge some one, try understanding foo. Obviously you misinterpreted my statement or I didn't paint a clear enough picture. But I buy, general releases even some off clearance I've rocked pf flyers and polo flats all the way to Sperry's but certain shoes I prefer to be limited. These I prefer to be general release because I have a 20$ vip coupon and I needs but for the low

Post a pic in some Grant Hill filas and I'll believe it

 

[doublemesh96]

Where can i cop these for $69.99+ tax?

 

[JACKFROSTY843]

If these are a massive GR like yall say...with that price I'm sure these will be sitting in outlets by end of spring. 160 out the door. Watch and see. I'll cop then.

 

[SolesNGoals99]

jesus... 72% sale through rate ?!? was this just for FTL inc stores as a whole?


props for the info vamp!

yea ftl family of stores


like i said the shoe MOVED great just a ton of pairs

plus factor in how stacked the relese schedule is some poeple pass for other shoes

i mean aqua drops but within the week immediately after you have

cyber monday 1
maroon 6
victor cruz(grey pair i think)

plus i could be forgetting stuff as im sure a kobe lebron or KD drop here and there

and some will just wait for 72-10 release


the shoe will sell out its just CRAZY congested right now with shoe drops

Thanks for the info a couple pages ago. Not enough ppl on here respect and appreciate the type of info you gave. I used to work at retail champs a few years and even though we were constantly hitting sales goals and push-through on release dates, even our store still didnt get the limited stuff bc our allocators didn't "like" us so to speak. Keep up the great info & I'll continue to listen since I changed professions & don't have insider info anymore. THANKS!!!

 

[MarJae]

If these are a massive GR like yall say...with that price I'm sure these will be sitting in outlets by end of spring. 160 out the door. Watch and see. I'll cop then.

I don't think so...went to my local Villa just now to get my "purchase guarantee" ticket and they open at 12. I arrived at 12:05 and there weren't many tickets left. Will these be dificult to cop? I don't think so (aquas still available) but it won't last til Spring. This is all just my personal opinion. I could be wrong wouldn't be the first time. [emoji]128513[/emoji]