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Originally Posted by JUS3
I think some of these responses are related with dudes picking up 2k11 and doing the Jordan Challenge.
Chill out Jordan heads. It was a joke.
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Originally Posted by JUS3
I think some of these responses are related with dudes picking up 2k11 and doing the Jordan Challenge.
Chill out Jordan heads. It was a joke.
Originally Posted by K2theAblaM
You sound like that old grampa type character that can't stop talking bout "Well in MY day, we used to have to walk FIFTEEEN miles to school. And forget about tennis shoes! Coca cola aint the same as it used to be" type steeze.Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules
these young kidds that didnt watch 90's basketball just dont know.
the league now is weak.
its way less physical
way too many fouls called and way too much flopping
no one can shoot the midrange shot
no quality big men
no one can post up
these are basic fundamentals of the game
and the whole "the players are way more athletic today" arguement is stupid
people who say that just dont know 90's basketball.
there were more athletic guys in the 90's then now,because there wasnt so many euro guys
besides naming all of the obvious superstars,guys like
kevin johnson
robert pack
cliff robinson
jerome kersey
ron harper before he got hurt
larry nance
spudd web
kenny walker
even tom chambers
man all these dudes were athletic and could jump out of the gym and bang it on anyone
and the superstars of that era were way more athletic than the superstars of today
jordan
pippen
barkley
malone
david robinson
olajuwon
clyde drexler
dominuque wilkins
james worthy
shawn kemp
penny hardaway
grant hill
in their athletic primes these guys were unparalled
now look at the superstars of today
kobe
lebron
wade
duncan
garnett
howard
chris paul
derron williams
nash
dirk
gasol
vince carter
that 90's list is killin todays list
there is no barkley,malone,robinson,olajuwon,jordan,kemp,pippen,grant hill,penny hardaway in todays game because all of these dudes had a combination of athleticsim and skill
lebron is probably the only guy on their level as far as being freaks of nature and havin skill
theres plenty of athletic guys today,but they suck because they dont have fundamentals (dwight howard)
most of you young kidds only saw highlights of old barkley,and old malone,and every other 90's star when they were washed up,so you dont know how athletic they were
at the end of the day players back then were just as athletic,but they had all the fundamentals that todays players dont have
Funny thing is I'm probably older than you too, but I can still understand 90's ball and today aren't that far off from each other.
Some people just can't let go.
Originally Posted by K2theAblaM
You sound like that old grampa type character that can't stop talking bout "Well in MY day, we used to have to walk FIFTEEEN miles to school. And forget about tennis shoes! Coca cola aint the same as it used to be" type steeze.Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules
these young kidds that didnt watch 90's basketball just dont know.
the league now is weak.
its way less physical
way too many fouls called and way too much flopping
no one can shoot the midrange shot
no quality big men
no one can post up
these are basic fundamentals of the game
and the whole "the players are way more athletic today" arguement is stupid
people who say that just dont know 90's basketball.
there were more athletic guys in the 90's then now,because there wasnt so many euro guys
besides naming all of the obvious superstars,guys like
kevin johnson
robert pack
cliff robinson
jerome kersey
ron harper before he got hurt
larry nance
spudd web
kenny walker
even tom chambers
man all these dudes were athletic and could jump out of the gym and bang it on anyone
and the superstars of that era were way more athletic than the superstars of today
jordan
pippen
barkley
malone
david robinson
olajuwon
clyde drexler
dominuque wilkins
james worthy
shawn kemp
penny hardaway
grant hill
in their athletic primes these guys were unparalled
now look at the superstars of today
kobe
lebron
wade
duncan
garnett
howard
chris paul
derron williams
nash
dirk
gasol
vince carter
that 90's list is killin todays list
there is no barkley,malone,robinson,olajuwon,jordan,kemp,pippen,grant hill,penny hardaway in todays game because all of these dudes had a combination of athleticsim and skill
lebron is probably the only guy on their level as far as being freaks of nature and havin skill
theres plenty of athletic guys today,but they suck because they dont have fundamentals (dwight howard)
most of you young kidds only saw highlights of old barkley,and old malone,and every other 90's star when they were washed up,so you dont know how athletic they were
at the end of the day players back then were just as athletic,but they had all the fundamentals that todays players dont have
Funny thing is I'm probably older than you too, but I can still understand 90's ball and today aren't that far off from each other.
Some people just can't let go.
what bout ron artest? not considered one of the best defenders of all time? like jordan and payton he won defensive player of the year in '04Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
He's right though.
The biggest difference between then and now IMO is the lack of truly legendary defenders. Think about it, is there ANYONE in today's league who would get mentioned in a list of all-time greatest defenders? Even when their careers are long over. Maybe Ben Wallace, but he hasn't been himself for a long time. Back then you had Olajuwon, Pippen, Payton and Jordan himself. No one in today's league will rank ahead of these on an all-time defenders list. Or Mutombo. And the biggest difference is the lack of quality shot blockers. Young, athletic MJ who drove to the basket would SCORE AT WILL whenever he took it to the hole in today's league with these weak centers. And if it didn't result in a field goal, it would result in two free throw attempts.
what bout ron artest? not considered one of the best defenders of all time? like jordan and payton he won defensive player of the year in '04Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
He's right though.
The biggest difference between then and now IMO is the lack of truly legendary defenders. Think about it, is there ANYONE in today's league who would get mentioned in a list of all-time greatest defenders? Even when their careers are long over. Maybe Ben Wallace, but he hasn't been himself for a long time. Back then you had Olajuwon, Pippen, Payton and Jordan himself. No one in today's league will rank ahead of these on an all-time defenders list. Or Mutombo. And the biggest difference is the lack of quality shot blockers. Young, athletic MJ who drove to the basket would SCORE AT WILL whenever he took it to the hole in today's league with these weak centers. And if it didn't result in a field goal, it would result in two free throw attempts.
To be fair, Robinson's 71 came on the last day of the season (against the sorry Clippers) and his team was feeding him the ball to get the scoring title.Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Exactly. MJ averaging 25 per quarter is not even that hard to imagine. If Kobe can get 81, Jordan can easily get 100.Originally Posted by DaJoka004
Why do people always bring up the argument that athletes today are bigger, faster, stronger than they were in previous eras, and that this is a reason why guys from back then couldn't do the same things today?
You don't think Mike would have been a level above everyone else like he was back then? You don't think he would have trained differently? Or smarter?
Mike was still amongst the best in the league when he was playing against guys who were 20 years younger. He'd KILL it today.
really? i doubt it, his highest was 69. no way he could add 31 points more. even david robinson had a higher career high than jordan.
To be fair, Robinson's 71 came on the last day of the season (against the sorry Clippers) and his team was feeding him the ball to get the scoring title.Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Exactly. MJ averaging 25 per quarter is not even that hard to imagine. If Kobe can get 81, Jordan can easily get 100.Originally Posted by DaJoka004
Why do people always bring up the argument that athletes today are bigger, faster, stronger than they were in previous eras, and that this is a reason why guys from back then couldn't do the same things today?
You don't think Mike would have been a level above everyone else like he was back then? You don't think he would have trained differently? Or smarter?
Mike was still amongst the best in the league when he was playing against guys who were 20 years younger. He'd KILL it today.
really? i doubt it, his highest was 69. no way he could add 31 points more. even david robinson had a higher career high than jordan.
Ron Artest and "being considered one of the best defenders of all-time" should never be mentioned in the same breath....let alone w. Mike or Payton....Ron wasn't seeing those guys.Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning
what bout ron artest? not considered one of the best defenders of all time? like jordan and payton he won defensive player of the year in '04Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
He's right though.
The biggest difference between then and now IMO is the lack of truly legendary defenders. Think about it, is there ANYONE in today's league who would get mentioned in a list of all-time greatest defenders? Even when their careers are long over. Maybe Ben Wallace, but he hasn't been himself for a long time. Back then you had Olajuwon, Pippen, Payton and Jordan himself. No one in today's league will rank ahead of these on an all-time defenders list. Or Mutombo. And the biggest difference is the lack of quality shot blockers. Young, athletic MJ who drove to the basket would SCORE AT WILL whenever he took it to the hole in today's league with these weak centers. And if it didn't result in a field goal, it would result in two free throw attempts.
Ron Artest and "being considered one of the best defenders of all-time" should never be mentioned in the same breath....let alone w. Mike or Payton....Ron wasn't seeing those guys.Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning
what bout ron artest? not considered one of the best defenders of all time? like jordan and payton he won defensive player of the year in '04Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
He's right though.
The biggest difference between then and now IMO is the lack of truly legendary defenders. Think about it, is there ANYONE in today's league who would get mentioned in a list of all-time greatest defenders? Even when their careers are long over. Maybe Ben Wallace, but he hasn't been himself for a long time. Back then you had Olajuwon, Pippen, Payton and Jordan himself. No one in today's league will rank ahead of these on an all-time defenders list. Or Mutombo. And the biggest difference is the lack of quality shot blockers. Young, athletic MJ who drove to the basket would SCORE AT WILL whenever he took it to the hole in today's league with these weak centers. And if it didn't result in a field goal, it would result in two free throw attempts.
if ron artest isnt considered one of the best defenders ever, then neither does gary payton.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Ron Artest and "being considered one of the best defenders of all-time" should never be mentioned in the same breath....let alone w. Mike or Payton....Ron wasn't seeing those guys.Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning
what bout ron artest? not considered one of the best defenders of all time? like jordan and payton he won defensive player of the year in '04Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
He's right though.
The biggest difference between then and now IMO is the lack of truly legendary defenders. Think about it, is there ANYONE in today's league who would get mentioned in a list of all-time greatest defenders? Even when their careers are long over. Maybe Ben Wallace, but he hasn't been himself for a long time. Back then you had Olajuwon, Pippen, Payton and Jordan himself. No one in today's league will rank ahead of these on an all-time defenders list. Or Mutombo. And the biggest difference is the lack of quality shot blockers. Young, athletic MJ who drove to the basket would SCORE AT WILL whenever he took it to the hole in today's league with these weak centers. And if it didn't result in a field goal, it would result in two free throw attempts.
if ron artest isnt considered one of the best defenders ever, then neither does gary payton.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Ron Artest and "being considered one of the best defenders of all-time" should never be mentioned in the same breath....let alone w. Mike or Payton....Ron wasn't seeing those guys.Originally Posted by Fatal Lightning
what bout ron artest? not considered one of the best defenders of all time? like jordan and payton he won defensive player of the year in '04Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
He's right though.
The biggest difference between then and now IMO is the lack of truly legendary defenders. Think about it, is there ANYONE in today's league who would get mentioned in a list of all-time greatest defenders? Even when their careers are long over. Maybe Ben Wallace, but he hasn't been himself for a long time. Back then you had Olajuwon, Pippen, Payton and Jordan himself. No one in today's league will rank ahead of these on an all-time defenders list. Or Mutombo. And the biggest difference is the lack of quality shot blockers. Young, athletic MJ who drove to the basket would SCORE AT WILL whenever he took it to the hole in today's league with these weak centers. And if it didn't result in a field goal, it would result in two free throw attempts.
This. Mike would put up 50+ every night in today's league. The league has become finesse and everyone knows that. You cant touch anyone because its foul. Mike taking it to the rack, he would get 30 FT a night. Zone defense? yeah like that would stop him.Originally Posted by jthagreat
"Funny thing is I'm probably older than you too, but I can still understand 90's ball and today aren't that far off from each other."
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