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Anddddd here comes the discussion of best pg's in NBA.
it was only a matter of time.
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Oh, well then, I guess that settles it then, PER is pretty much indisputable.Originally Posted by JsindaA
He's saying because Irving has a better PER he's much better.
Originally Posted by lawdog1
Oh, well then, I guess that settles it then, PER is pretty much indisputable.Originally Posted by JsindaA
He's saying because Irving has a better PER he's much better.We should always evaluate players based on a formula some stat geek, who probably never actually played competitive ball at any level, made up.
Irving is very good and, based on court performance this year, maybe there is an argument he's better than Wall, but Wall is far from a bust.
Kyrie's smarter and more efficient.
The collective b-ball IQ on Cleveland is 10x more than what's in DC. On top of it all, Irving has guys who can score to play with. Let me know the last time you saw Jan Vesely hit a jump shot
*Quick question for those who think Irving is the better player....how many of his minutes are SHARED w. Sessions? Isn't sessions the primary ball-carrier when they're on the floor together?
Originally Posted by jumpmantwenty3
This 'coworker' story sounds made up
Originally Posted by kc24688
Originally Posted by kix4kix
How old is Wall? 20?Originally Posted by kc24688
Wall is weak as hell compared to the best how can you say that? Today I will take Kyrie Irving going forward, though it's hard to judge a player with such bad talent around him. Wall is caught up in his own fame unless this little rising stars incident wakes him up. I prefer basketball players to athletes.
He will be is a big stretch when the guy shoots bricks and turns the ball over 4 times a game. Don't twist what I'm saying here but Lin racks up stats while turning the ball over a lot. I respect stats a lot more when they don't come with so many turnovers. The guy can't hit a three to save his life and Irving is 19. Honestly I guess I'm just biased towards my basketball philosophy in that I like a PG that can shoot and be under control, though Wall makes up for it as much as anyone in other areas. Honestly we both don't know the future but it's a good discussion.
Originally Posted by jmb1523
Wall will be great
Originally Posted by Swish 22
Do any of you watch the Wiz play consistently? The answer is probably no. If he had teammates that were not all complete F-ups.
Originally Posted by newbuck
Originally Posted by Swish 22
Do any of you watch the Wiz play consistently? The answer is probably no. If he had teammates that were not all complete F-ups.
This seems to be the go-to excuse for Wall's sympathizers. John Wall was drafted #1 OVERALL. As a pg? Heres a thought, how about Wall actually making those around him BETTER? Wacky, I know.
Originally Posted by newbuck
Originally Posted by Swish 22
Do any of you watch the Wiz play consistently? The answer is probably no. If he had teammates that were not all complete F-ups.
This seems to be the go-to excuse for Wall's sympathizers. John Wall was drafted #1 OVERALL. As a pg? Heres a thought, how about Wall actually making those around him BETTER? Wacky, I know.
Originally Posted by newbuck
Originally Posted by Swish 22
Do any of you watch the Wiz play consistently? The answer is probably no. If he had teammates that were not all complete F-ups.
This seems to be the go-to excuse for Wall's sympathizers. John Wall was drafted #1 OVERALL. As a pg? Heres a thought, how about Wall actually making those around him BETTER? Wacky, I know.
now this i completely agree with, his jumper needs work badly, but watching so many of their games every week sometimes he does make mid range jumpers like clockwork and other times he's brick city. just has to develop some consistencyOriginally Posted by airmaxpenny1
I was as big on Wall as anyone...but what really has put me off is his shooting. The other stuff I can live with cause his teammates are tards but he has not made oen stride in his shot. If he can't fix that jumper, he'll never be able to get to that level which I though he could reach.