John Salley On Michael Jordan! "He's Not The Greatest Player Ever"

[cashbanks]

Those are acceptable answers, MJ is not Gretzky.He's not the unquestioned no argument goat.
Russel, Kareem, Magic, Wilt, , maybe even Bird. You can make cases for them easily.

so lets hear those cases then champ

Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6-time NBA champion: 1991-93, 1996-98 (all with Chicago Bulls)
6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991-93, 1996-98
5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991–92, 1996, 1998[1][2]
10-time scoring champion: 1987-93, 1996–98[3]
3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993
3-time minutes leader: 1987-89
14-time NBA All-Star: 1985-93, 1996–98, 2002-03[4]
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998[5]
6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991-93, 1996-98[6]
1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88[7]
11-time All-NBA selection:
First Team: 1987-93, 1996-98[8][9]
Second Team: 1985[8][9]
9-time All-Defensive selection:
First Team: 1988-93, 1996-98[1[11]
NBA All-Rookie selection:
First Team: 1985[12][13]
NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985[14]
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987-88[15]
Ranked #1 by SLAM Magazine's Top 75 Players of All-time
Ranked #1 by ESPN Sportscentury's Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
Two Olympic gold medals - USA: 1984, 1992

MJ is THE G.O.A.T doggie flat out

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

I listened to this interview live on the radio. At one point he said Isiah was the best little guys he'd ever played with or something to that effect. That right there told me why he felt how he felt about MJ. Despite being a teammate of both, he got his first two with Isaih and the Pistons. In that circle you either side with Zeke or MJ and we know how those two feel about each other.

That makes zero sense.

 

[Pathos]

Those are acceptable answers, MJ is not Gretzky.He's not the unquestioned no argument goat.
Russel, Kareem, Magic, Wilt, , maybe even Bird. You can make cases for them easily.

so lets hear those cases then champ

Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6-time NBA champion: 1991-93, 1996-98 (all with Chicago Bulls)
6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991-93, 1996-98
5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991–92, 1996, 1998[1][2]
10-time scoring champion: 1987-93, 1996–98[3]
3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993
3-time minutes leader: 1987-89
14-time NBA All-Star: 1985-93, 1996–98, 2002-03[4]
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998[5]
6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991-93, 1996-98[6]
1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88[7]
11-time All-NBA selection:
First Team: 1987-93, 1996-98[8][9]
Second Team: 1985[8][9]
9-time All-Defensive selection:
First Team: 1988-93, 1996-98[1[11]
NBA All-Rookie selection:
First Team: 1985[12][13]
NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985[14]
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987-88[15]
Ranked #1 by SLAM Magazine's Top 75 Players of All-time
Ranked #1 by ESPN Sportscentury's Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
Two Olympic gold medals - USA: 1984, 1992

MJ is THE G.O.A.T doggie flat out

so you gonna list Jordans credentials like that makes him the clear cut GOAT but leave out Russell's? lol

 @ Isaiah NOT being the greatest little guard 

 

[adobecs4]

**** John Salley ************ road someones coat tails his whole carreer

Magic will tell you Mike was the best ever
Larry will tell you Mike was the best ever
Barkley etc.
but this shumck wanna bump his gums Mike prolly punked him during his time getting splinters in his *** for the bulls
professional bench warmer *** ***** wanna take shots at the G.O.A.T I'm catchin the fade with this *** if I see em out in the streets

First reply too 

 

[ssjjfar]

In 2000 he retired again following the first Lakers championship season after proudly proclaiming that he had won "four championship rings, with three different teams, in three different decades and two different millenniums."

Real talk I think Salley is the GOAT. And until someone else does this, there's no argument.

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jkjk but what does he have a new movie/TV show coming out or something?

 

[thegoldenchild]

dang, people are so salty when they say jordan is not the GOAT.. seems like people are not even entitled to their own opinion on NT. as soon as someone says jordan is not the GOAT all you guys get butthurt and start to hate on the person that said it..

get over it.. just cause the majority thinks he is, doesnt mean that everyone should

 

[truthgetsbusy]

Real talk I think Salley is the GOAT. And until someone else does this, there's no argument.

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jkjk but what does he have a new movie/TV show coming out or something?

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Robert Horry is laughing.

 

[shoeking2101]

IMO

First of all, magic, larry, isiah, chuck, none of those guys were better than Jordan, period. Michael was a better athlete than those guys, could score in far more and better ways than those guys, defended better than those guys, and although it could be argued that Magic, Larry, etc. created better for their teammates than Michael did, when you take into account how great Michael was at putting the ball in the hoop, that point is alleviated from my point of view.

If you take away achievements though, and go strictly off talent and skill, if anybody is better than Jordan it's #6 from Miami. There's nobody in NBA history that defends, scores, and creates in the fashion that he does. He's a walking 30, 8, and 6 on 50% shooting all the while defending all the 1's,2's,3's,4's,and 5's in the NBA. He's a walking mismatch who's a terror in any facet of the game, especially in transition. No one has ever done that. Kobe hasn't, magic didn't, larry didn't, no one did. Lebron does it.

If anybody can stake a claim at being better than Jordan, it's Lebron James.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

so lets hear those cases then champ
Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6-time NBA champion: 1991-93, 1996-98 (all with Chicago Bulls)
6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991-93, 1996-98
5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991–92, 1996, 1998[1][2]
10-time scoring champion: 1987-93, 1996–98[3]
3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993
3-time minutes leader: 1987-89
14-time NBA All-Star: 1985-93, 1996–98, 2002-03[4]
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998[5]
6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991-93, 1996-98[6]
1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88[7]
11-time All-NBA selection:
First Team: 1987-93, 1996-98[8][9]
Second Team: 1985[8][9]
9-time All-Defensive selection:
First Team: 1988-93, 1996-98[1[11]
NBA All-Rookie selection:
First Team: 1985[12][13]
NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985[14]
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987-88[15]
Ranked #1 by SLAM Magazine's Top 75 Players of All-time
Ranked #1 by ESPN Sportscentury's Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
Two Olympic gold medals - USA: 1984, 1992
MJ is THE G.O.A.T doggie flat out

If you want to go resume?

Kareem's is better.

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Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (May 15, 1995)[27]
College:
Player of the Year (1967, 1969)
Three-time First Team All-American (1967–69)
Three-time NCAA champion (1967–69)
Most Outstanding Player in NCAA Tournament (1967–69)
Naismith College Player of the Year (1969)
National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame (2007)[28]

National Basketball Association:
Rookie of the Year (1970)
Six-time NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–8
NBA MVP (1971–72, 1974, 1976–77, 1980)
Sporting News NBA MVP (1971–72, 1974, 1976–77, 1980)
Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
Sports Illustrated magazine's "Sportsman of the Year" (1985)
One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996)
First player in NBA history to play 20 seasons

Oh and that guy Russel, the guy who the finals MVP is named after, his resume is better.

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Career highlights and awards

11× NBA champion (1957, 1959–1966, 1968–1969)
5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1958, 1961–1963, 1965)
5× NBA rebounding champion (1957–1959, 1964–1965)
12× NBA All-Star (1958–1969)
3× All-NBA First Team (1959, 1963, 1965)
8× All-NBA Second Team (1958, 1960–1962, 1964, 1966–196
NBA All-Defensive First Team (1969)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1963)
NBA 35th Anniversary Team
NBA 25th Anniversary Team
NBA 50th Anniversary Team
#6 Retired by Boston Celtics
2× NCAA champion (1955–1956)
NCAA Basketball Tournament MOP (1955)
Career statistics

How about statistical dominance.

Wilt's numbers are better.

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NBA scoring records
Sign commemorating Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game at Hershey, Pennsylvania

NBA Record - Most Points Per Game in a season (50.4 in the 1961-62 season)

Chamberlain also holds the next two spots with 44.8 in 1962-63 and 38.4 in 1960-61.

NBA Record - Most Points in a season (4,029 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next highest with 3,586 in 1960-61

NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Game (100 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most 50 Point Games in a season (45 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next most with 30 in 1962-63. No other player has had more than 10. Only Michael Jordan (39 including playoffs) and Kobe Bryant (25 including playoffs) have more than 20 in their careers.

NBA Record - Most 40 Point Games in a season (63 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next most with 52 in 1962-63. Michael Jordan is third with 37 in 1986-87.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League in Points Per Game (7)

Record shared with Michael Jordan.

NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 60 Point Games (32)

Kobe Bryant is second with 5.

NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 50 Point Games (11

Michael Jordan is second with 31.

NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 40 Point Games (271)[1

Michael Jordan is second with 173.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive 50 Point Games (7 from December 16-29, 1961)

Chamberlain also holds the next three longest streaks with 6 in 1962, and 5 in 1961 and 1962.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive 40 Point Games (14 from December 8-30, 1961 and January 11-February 1, 1962)

Chamberlain also has the next most with 10 from November 9-25, 1962.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive 30 Point Games (65 from November 4, 1961-February 22, 1962)

Chamberlain holds the next two longest streaks with 31 in 1962 and 25 in 1960.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive 20 Point Games (126 from October 19, 1961-January 19, 1963)

Chamberlain holds the next most with 92 from February 26, 1963-March 18, 1964.

NBA Record - Most points per game by a rookie (37.6 in 1959-60)
NBA Record - Most points by a rookie (2,707 in 1959-60)
NBA Record - Most points by a rookie in a game (58 on January 25, 1960 and February 21, 1960)
NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 20,000 Points (499, achieved in 1966)

Michael Jordan, at 620 games, took the second fewest games.

NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 25,000 Points (691, achieved on February 23, 1968 against the Detroit Pistons)

Michael Jordan, at 782 games, took the second fewest games.

NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 30,000 Points (941, achieved on February 16, 1972 against the Phoenix Suns)
NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7 from 1959-60 through 1965-66)

Shared with Michael Jordan

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a season (1,597 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next 3 spots with 1,463 in 1962-63, 1,251 in 1960-61, and 1,204 in 1963-64

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a season (3,159 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next four highest with 2,770, 2,457, 2,311, and 2,298.

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a Game (36 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Chamberlain holds the next highest with 31, and is tied with Rick Barry at third with 30

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Game (63 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Chamberlain holds the next two most with 62 and 60.

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a Half (22 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Half (37 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962 (2nd half)
NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Quarter (21 in the 4th quarter vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most Free Throws Made in a Game (28 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Record shared with Adrian Dantley

NBA Record - Most seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (9)
NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (6 from 1959-60 through 1964-65)
NBA Record - Most Free Throws Attempted in a season (1,363 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain also holds the next four spots with 1,113, 1,054, 1,016, and 991.

NBA Playoff Record - Most points by a rookie in a game (53 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)

Pulled down a rookie playoff record 35 rebounds in the same game.
Chamberlain also scored 50 as a rookie against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960.

NBA Playoff Record - Most field goals in a seven game series (113 vs. the St. Louis Hawks in 1964)
NBA Playoff Record - Most field goals in a game (24 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)

Record shared with John Havlicek and Michael Jordan

NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a game (48 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)

Record shared with Rick Barry

NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a half (25 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)

Record shared with Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan

NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a three game series (104 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1960)
NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a five game series (159 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1962)
NBA All-Star Game Record - Points in a game (42 in 1962)
NBA All-Star Game Record - Field goals in a game (17 in 1962)

Record shared with Michael Jordan and Kevin Garnett

NBA All-Star Game Record - Field goals in a half (10 in 1962)
NBA All-Star Game Record - Free throw attempts in a game (16 in 1962)

Chamberlain also holds the second most attempts in an All-Star Game with 15 in 1960.

Other selected scoring facts

2nd highest career scoring average (30.07) — record held by Michael Jordan
2nd most free throws made in a season (835 in 1961-62) — record held by Jerry West
2nd most free throws attempted in a Game (34 vs. the St. Louis Hawks on February 22, 1962) — record held by Dwight Howard

Chamberlain also holds third place with 32 on March 2, 1962.

2nd most points in an NBA All-Star Game half (23 in 1962) — record held by Glen Rice; 2nd place shared with Tom Chambers

NBA rebounding records

See also: List of National Basketball Association top individual rebounding season averages
See also: List of National Basketball Association top rookie rebounding averages
See also: List of National Basketball Association players with most rebounds in a game

NBA Record - Career Total Rebounds (23,924)
NBA Record - Career Rebounds Per Game (22.9)
NBA Record - Most seasons leading the league in rebounds (11)
NBA Record - Most seasons with 1,000 or more rebounds (13)
NBA Record - Rebounds Per Game in a season (27.2)

Chamberlain also holds the next two highest averages with 27.0 in 1959-60 and 25.7 in 1961-62)
Chamberlain and Bill Russell occupy the top 18 spots on this list (9 each).

NBA Record - Total Rebounds in a season (2,149 in 1960-1961)

Chamberlain also holds the next six highest totals.

NBA Record - Rebounds in a game (55, Philadelphia Warriors vs. Boston Celtics, November 24, 1960)

Besides Bill Russell (11 times, including 3 playoff games, max of 51) only Nate Thurmond (42) and Jerry Lucas (40) have ever gotten at least 40.

NBA Record - Most rebounds per game by a rookie in a season (27.0)
NBA Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a season (1,941)
NBA Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (45 on February 6, 1960)

Chamberlain, as a rookie, also grabbed 43 rebounds in one game, 42 in two others, and 40 in another.

NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a playoff game (41 against the Boston Celtics, on April 5, 1967).

Game 3 victory in the Eastern Division finals.

NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a half (26 against the San Francisco Warriors on April 16, 1967)

Also an NBA Finals record.

NBA Playoff Record - Highest rebounding average in a playoff series (32.0 in a 5-game series against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 5-game playoff series (160 against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 6-game playoff series (171 against the San Francisco Warriors in 1967).

Also an NBA Finals record for a 6-game series.

NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 7-game playoff series (220 against the Boston Celtics in 1965).
NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (35 against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960)

Scored a then-playoff record 53 points (still a rookie record) in the same game (a Game 5 victory).

NBA All-Star Game Record - Most career rebounds in the NBA All-Star game (197).
NBA All-Star Game Record - Most rebounds in a half (16 in 1960).

Record shared with Bob Pettit

Other selected rebound facts

2nd most consecutive seasons with 1,000+ rebounds (10) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a half (31 vs. the Boston Celtics on November 24, 1960) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a quarter (17 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on February 5, 1960) — record held by Nate Thurmond, 2nd place is shared with three performances by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a 3-game NBA Playoff series (69 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1961) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a 4-game NBA Playoff series (106 vs. the Cincinnati Royals in 1967) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most consecutive games 20+ rebounds in the NBA Finals (12 over a series of games in the 1964, 1967, and 1969 finals) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most consecutive games 30+ rebounds in the NBA Finals (2 in 1967 finals, 2 in 1969 finals) — record held by Bill Russell; 2nd place is also shared by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a 5-game NBA Finals (vs. Boston Celtics in 1967) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a 7-game NBA Finals (vs. Boston Celtics in 1969) — record held by Bill Russell
3rd highest rebounding average in an NBA Finals series (28.5 in 1967) — first two spots held by Bill Russell
Chamberlain is the only player to grab more than 2,000 rebounds in a single season: 2,149 rebounds in the 1960-61 season and 2,052 in 1961-62.

Chamberlain's 1961-62 season stat line: 4,029 points (50.4 ppg) and 2,052 rebounds (25.7 rpg).

NBA versatility record

NBA Record - Most consecutive triple-doubles (9) (March 8–20, 196

Other selected versatility facts

Only player in NBA history to record a double-triple-double (20+ of any category)

On February 2, 1968 against the Detroit Pistons, he logged 22 points, 25 rebounds and 21 assists.[11]

Only player in NBA history to record a quadruple double-double (meaning two of either 40 points, 40 rebounds, or 40 assists in a single game) (A feat he performed 5 times).

On November 4, 1959, Chamberlain, in his third game in the NBA, scored 41 points and grabbed a then-rookie record 40 rebounds against the Syracuse Nationals.
On January 15, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored 44 points and grabbed 42 rebounds against the Boston Celtics.
On January 25, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored an NBA rookie record 58 points and grabbed 42 rebounds against the Detroit Pistons.
On February 6, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored 44 points and grabbed an NBA rookie record 45 rebounds against the Detroit Pistons.
On December 8, 1961, Chamberlain scored a then-record 78 points and collected 43 rebounds against the Los Angeles Lakers.

After critics called him a one-dimensional (or even selfish) player, Chamberlain led the league in total assists the next season, 1967–68, with 702 assists (he did not lead the league in assists per game).

NBA durability records

NBA Record - Most seasons leading NBA in minutes played (
NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in minutes played (5, from 1959-60 through 1963-64)
NBA Record - Most career minutes played per game (45.

Bill Russell is second at 42.3

NBA Record - Most minutes played in a season (3,882 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain also holds the next four most with 3,836 in 1967-68, 3,806 in 1962-63, 3,773 in 1960-61, and 3,737 in 1965-66

NBA Record - Most minutes played per game for a season (48.53 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the top 7 spots in this category
Chamberlain's 3,882 minutes played out of the team's possible 3,890 left an average of six seconds of rest per game.
A regulation NBA basketball game is 48 minutes long.

NBA Record - Most complete games in a season (79 out of 80 games in 1961-62)
NBA Record - Most consecutive complete games in a season (47 in 1961-62)
NBA Playoff Record - Highest average minutes per game in a playoff series (49.33 (296/6) against the New York Knicks in 196
NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a three game series (144 against the Syracuse Nationals in 1961)
NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a four game series (195 against the Cincinnati Royals in 1965 and the Atlanta Hawks in 1970)

Record shared with Jerry Lucas and Oscar Robertson.

NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a six game series (296 against the New York Knicks in 196
NBA Finals Record - Most minutes played in a five game series (240 against the New York Knicks in 1973)
Chamberlain never fouled out of a regular season or playoff game in his 14 years in the NBA. His career average was only 2 fouls per game, despite having averaged 45.8 minutes per game over his career. His fouls per 36 minutes (a stat used to compare players that average vastly different minutes) was a remarkable 1.6 per game.[1]

NBA accuracy records

See also: List of National Basketball Association top individual field goal percentage seasons

NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (5, from 1964-65 through 1968-69)

Tied with Shaquille O'Neal

NBA Record - Highest Field Goal Percentage in a season (72.7% in 1972-73)

Chamberlain also holds the second highest percentage with 68.3% in 1966-67

NBA Record - Most consecutive field goals (35 from February 17-28, 1967)
NBA Record - Most field goals in a game without a miss (18, Philadelphia 76ers vs. the Baltimore Bullets on February 24, 1967)

Chamberlain also holds the next two most with 16 (March 19, 1967) and 15 (January 20, 1967)

NBA Record - most free-throws missed in a single season (578 in the 1967–68 season)[12]

Chamberlain also missed the second most free throws in a single season at 528 in the 1961–62 season.

NBA Record - Most free throws missed in a game (22, vs. Seattle SuperSonics, December 1, 1967)
NBA Record - Most free throws missed in a half (12, vs. Syracuse Nationals, November 17, 1960)
NBA Playoff Record - Most free throws missed in a game (17, vs. Boston Celtics, April 12, 1966)
NBA Playoff Record - Most free throws missed in a half (12, vs. Boston Celtics, April 12, 1966)

Other selected accuracy facts

2nd most seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (9) record held by Shaquille O'Neal (10)
2nd most free throws attempted in a game with none made (10 vs. the Detroit Pistons on 11/04/1960) — record held by Shaquille O'Neal (11) (12/08/2000)
3rd most free throws attempted in a game with none made (9 at the St. Louis Hawks on February 19, 1967)
3rd lowest career free throw percentage in NBA history (minimum 1200 attempts) record held by Ben Wallace

How about anecdotal evidence, making, teammates better? Magic and Bird 88, and 87 Celtics are some of the best offenses in the history of the league, their passing was unrivaled, with Bird and Magic you were practically locked in to win 50 games.

You can believe that Jordan is the GOAT, he has as strong a case as anyone but to pretend as if Kareem, Russel, Bird, Wilt, Magic don't have very strong cases for the GOAT is just ignorant.

Jordan is unquestionably the greatest perimeter scorer in the history of the league, other than that everything else is up for debate.

 

[el producto79]

at cats takin this like they were personally insulted.

 

[dmbrhs]

And this couldn't go in one of the 6,786 other MJ threads?

And honestly, who cares what Salley thinks. It's definitely not thread worthy.

 

[night marcher01]

so lets hear those cases then champ
Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6-time NBA champion: 1991-93, 1996-98 (all with Chicago Bulls)
6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991-93, 1996-98
5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991–92, 1996, 1998[1][2]
10-time scoring champion: 1987-93, 1996–98[3]
3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993
3-time minutes leader: 1987-89
14-time NBA All-Star: 1985-93, 1996–98, 2002-03[4]
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998[5]
6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991-93, 1996-98[6]
1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88[7]
11-time All-NBA selection:
First Team: 1987-93, 1996-98[8][9]
Second Team: 1985[8][9]
9-time All-Defensive selection:
First Team: 1988-93, 1996-98[1[11]
NBA All-Rookie selection:
First Team: 1985[12][13]
NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985[14]
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987-88[15]
Ranked #1 by SLAM Magazine's Top 75 Players of All-time
Ranked #1 by ESPN Sportscentury's Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
Two Olympic gold medals - USA: 1984, 1992
MJ is THE G.O.A.T doggie flat out

If you want to go resume?

Kareem's is better.

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Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (May 15, 1995)[27]
College:
Player of the Year (1967, 1969)
Three-time First Team All-American (1967–69)
Three-time NCAA champion (1967–69)
Most Outstanding Player in NCAA Tournament (1967–69)
Naismith College Player of the Year (1969)
National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame (2007)[28]

National Basketball Association:
Rookie of the Year (1970)
Six-time NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–8
NBA MVP (1971–72, 1974, 1976–77, 1980)
Sporting News NBA MVP (1971–72, 1974, 1976–77, 1980)
Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
Sports Illustrated magazine's "Sportsman of the Year" (1985)
One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996)
First player in NBA history to play 20 seasons

Oh and that guy Russel, the guy who the finals MVP is named after, his resume is better.

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Career highlights and awards

11× NBA champion (1957, 1959–1966, 1968–1969)
5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1958, 1961–1963, 1965)
5× NBA rebounding champion (1957–1959, 1964–1965)
12× NBA All-Star (1958–1969)
3× All-NBA First Team (1959, 1963, 1965)
8× All-NBA Second Team (1958, 1960–1962, 1964, 1966–196
NBA All-Defensive First Team (1969)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1963)
NBA 35th Anniversary Team
NBA 25th Anniversary Team
NBA 50th Anniversary Team
#6 Retired by Boston Celtics
2× NCAA champion (1955–1956)
NCAA Basketball Tournament MOP (1955)
Career statistics

How about statistical dominance.

Wilt's numbers are better.

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NBA scoring records
Sign commemorating Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game at Hershey, Pennsylvania

NBA Record - Most Points Per Game in a season (50.4 in the 1961-62 season)

Chamberlain also holds the next two spots with 44.8 in 1962-63 and 38.4 in 1960-61.

NBA Record - Most Points in a season (4,029 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next highest with 3,586 in 1960-61

NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Game (100 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most 50 Point Games in a season (45 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next most with 30 in 1962-63. No other player has had more than 10. Only Michael Jordan (39 including playoffs) and Kobe Bryant (25 including playoffs) have more than 20 in their careers.

NBA Record - Most 40 Point Games in a season (63 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next most with 52 in 1962-63. Michael Jordan is third with 37 in 1986-87.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League in Points Per Game (7)

Record shared with Michael Jordan.

NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 60 Point Games (32)

Kobe Bryant is second with 5.

NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 50 Point Games (11

Michael Jordan is second with 31.

NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 40 Point Games (271)[1

Michael Jordan is second with 173.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive 50 Point Games (7 from December 16-29, 1961)

Chamberlain also holds the next three longest streaks with 6 in 1962, and 5 in 1961 and 1962.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive 40 Point Games (14 from December 8-30, 1961 and January 11-February 1, 1962)

Chamberlain also has the next most with 10 from November 9-25, 1962.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive 30 Point Games (65 from November 4, 1961-February 22, 1962)

Chamberlain holds the next two longest streaks with 31 in 1962 and 25 in 1960.

NBA Record - Most Consecutive 20 Point Games (126 from October 19, 1961-January 19, 1963)

Chamberlain holds the next most with 92 from February 26, 1963-March 18, 1964.

NBA Record - Most points per game by a rookie (37.6 in 1959-60)
NBA Record - Most points by a rookie (2,707 in 1959-60)
NBA Record - Most points by a rookie in a game (58 on January 25, 1960 and February 21, 1960)
NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 20,000 Points (499, achieved in 1966)

Michael Jordan, at 620 games, took the second fewest games.

NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 25,000 Points (691, achieved on February 23, 1968 against the Detroit Pistons)

Michael Jordan, at 782 games, took the second fewest games.

NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 30,000 Points (941, achieved on February 16, 1972 against the Phoenix Suns)
NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7 from 1959-60 through 1965-66)

Shared with Michael Jordan

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a season (1,597 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next 3 spots with 1,463 in 1962-63, 1,251 in 1960-61, and 1,204 in 1963-64

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a season (3,159 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the next four highest with 2,770, 2,457, 2,311, and 2,298.

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a Game (36 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Chamberlain holds the next highest with 31, and is tied with Rick Barry at third with 30

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Game (63 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Chamberlain holds the next two most with 62 and 60.

NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a Half (22 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Half (37 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962 (2nd half)
NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Quarter (21 in the 4th quarter vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most Free Throws Made in a Game (28 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Record shared with Adrian Dantley

NBA Record - Most seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (9)
NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (6 from 1959-60 through 1964-65)
NBA Record - Most Free Throws Attempted in a season (1,363 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain also holds the next four spots with 1,113, 1,054, 1,016, and 991.

NBA Playoff Record - Most points by a rookie in a game (53 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)

Pulled down a rookie playoff record 35 rebounds in the same game.
Chamberlain also scored 50 as a rookie against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960.

NBA Playoff Record - Most field goals in a seven game series (113 vs. the St. Louis Hawks in 1964)
NBA Playoff Record - Most field goals in a game (24 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)

Record shared with John Havlicek and Michael Jordan

NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a game (48 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)

Record shared with Rick Barry

NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a half (25 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)

Record shared with Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan

NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a three game series (104 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1960)
NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a five game series (159 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1962)
NBA All-Star Game Record - Points in a game (42 in 1962)
NBA All-Star Game Record - Field goals in a game (17 in 1962)

Record shared with Michael Jordan and Kevin Garnett

NBA All-Star Game Record - Field goals in a half (10 in 1962)
NBA All-Star Game Record - Free throw attempts in a game (16 in 1962)

Chamberlain also holds the second most attempts in an All-Star Game with 15 in 1960.

Other selected scoring facts

2nd highest career scoring average (30.07) — record held by Michael Jordan
2nd most free throws made in a season (835 in 1961-62) — record held by Jerry West
2nd most free throws attempted in a Game (34 vs. the St. Louis Hawks on February 22, 1962) — record held by Dwight Howard

Chamberlain also holds third place with 32 on March 2, 1962.

2nd most points in an NBA All-Star Game half (23 in 1962) — record held by Glen Rice; 2nd place shared with Tom Chambers

NBA rebounding records

See also: List of National Basketball Association top individual rebounding season averages
See also: List of National Basketball Association top rookie rebounding averages
See also: List of National Basketball Association players with most rebounds in a game

NBA Record - Career Total Rebounds (23,924)
NBA Record - Career Rebounds Per Game (22.9)
NBA Record - Most seasons leading the league in rebounds (11)
NBA Record - Most seasons with 1,000 or more rebounds (13)
NBA Record - Rebounds Per Game in a season (27.2)

Chamberlain also holds the next two highest averages with 27.0 in 1959-60 and 25.7 in 1961-62)
Chamberlain and Bill Russell occupy the top 18 spots on this list (9 each).

NBA Record - Total Rebounds in a season (2,149 in 1960-1961)

Chamberlain also holds the next six highest totals.

NBA Record - Rebounds in a game (55, Philadelphia Warriors vs. Boston Celtics, November 24, 1960)

Besides Bill Russell (11 times, including 3 playoff games, max of 51) only Nate Thurmond (42) and Jerry Lucas (40) have ever gotten at least 40.

NBA Record - Most rebounds per game by a rookie in a season (27.0)
NBA Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a season (1,941)
NBA Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (45 on February 6, 1960)

Chamberlain, as a rookie, also grabbed 43 rebounds in one game, 42 in two others, and 40 in another.

NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a playoff game (41 against the Boston Celtics, on April 5, 1967).

Game 3 victory in the Eastern Division finals.

NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a half (26 against the San Francisco Warriors on April 16, 1967)

Also an NBA Finals record.

NBA Playoff Record - Highest rebounding average in a playoff series (32.0 in a 5-game series against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 5-game playoff series (160 against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 6-game playoff series (171 against the San Francisco Warriors in 1967).

Also an NBA Finals record for a 6-game series.

NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 7-game playoff series (220 against the Boston Celtics in 1965).
NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (35 against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960)

Scored a then-playoff record 53 points (still a rookie record) in the same game (a Game 5 victory).

NBA All-Star Game Record - Most career rebounds in the NBA All-Star game (197).
NBA All-Star Game Record - Most rebounds in a half (16 in 1960).

Record shared with Bob Pettit

Other selected rebound facts

2nd most consecutive seasons with 1,000+ rebounds (10) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a half (31 vs. the Boston Celtics on November 24, 1960) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a quarter (17 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on February 5, 1960) — record held by Nate Thurmond, 2nd place is shared with three performances by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a 3-game NBA Playoff series (69 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1961) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a 4-game NBA Playoff series (106 vs. the Cincinnati Royals in 1967) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most consecutive games 20+ rebounds in the NBA Finals (12 over a series of games in the 1964, 1967, and 1969 finals) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most consecutive games 30+ rebounds in the NBA Finals (2 in 1967 finals, 2 in 1969 finals) — record held by Bill Russell; 2nd place is also shared by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a 5-game NBA Finals (vs. Boston Celtics in 1967) — record held by Bill Russell
2nd most rebounds in a 7-game NBA Finals (vs. Boston Celtics in 1969) — record held by Bill Russell
3rd highest rebounding average in an NBA Finals series (28.5 in 1967) — first two spots held by Bill Russell
Chamberlain is the only player to grab more than 2,000 rebounds in a single season: 2,149 rebounds in the 1960-61 season and 2,052 in 1961-62.

Chamberlain's 1961-62 season stat line: 4,029 points (50.4 ppg) and 2,052 rebounds (25.7 rpg).

NBA versatility record

NBA Record - Most consecutive triple-doubles (9) (March 8–20, 196

Other selected versatility facts

Only player in NBA history to record a double-triple-double (20+ of any category)

On February 2, 1968 against the Detroit Pistons, he logged 22 points, 25 rebounds and 21 assists.[11]

Only player in NBA history to record a quadruple double-double (meaning two of either 40 points, 40 rebounds, or 40 assists in a single game) (A feat he performed 5 times).

On November 4, 1959, Chamberlain, in his third game in the NBA, scored 41 points and grabbed a then-rookie record 40 rebounds against the Syracuse Nationals.
On January 15, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored 44 points and grabbed 42 rebounds against the Boston Celtics.
On January 25, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored an NBA rookie record 58 points and grabbed 42 rebounds against the Detroit Pistons.
On February 6, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored 44 points and grabbed an NBA rookie record 45 rebounds against the Detroit Pistons.
On December 8, 1961, Chamberlain scored a then-record 78 points and collected 43 rebounds against the Los Angeles Lakers.

After critics called him a one-dimensional (or even selfish) player, Chamberlain led the league in total assists the next season, 1967–68, with 702 assists (he did not lead the league in assists per game).

NBA durability records

NBA Record - Most seasons leading NBA in minutes played (
NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in minutes played (5, from 1959-60 through 1963-64)
NBA Record - Most career minutes played per game (45.

Bill Russell is second at 42.3

NBA Record - Most minutes played in a season (3,882 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain also holds the next four most with 3,836 in 1967-68, 3,806 in 1962-63, 3,773 in 1960-61, and 3,737 in 1965-66

NBA Record - Most minutes played per game for a season (48.53 in 1961-62)

Chamberlain holds the top 7 spots in this category
Chamberlain's 3,882 minutes played out of the team's possible 3,890 left an average of six seconds of rest per game.
A regulation NBA basketball game is 48 minutes long.

NBA Record - Most complete games in a season (79 out of 80 games in 1961-62)
NBA Record - Most consecutive complete games in a season (47 in 1961-62)
NBA Playoff Record - Highest average minutes per game in a playoff series (49.33 (296/6) against the New York Knicks in 196
NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a three game series (144 against the Syracuse Nationals in 1961)
NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a four game series (195 against the Cincinnati Royals in 1965 and the Atlanta Hawks in 1970)

Record shared with Jerry Lucas and Oscar Robertson.

NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a six game series (296 against the New York Knicks in 196
NBA Finals Record - Most minutes played in a five game series (240 against the New York Knicks in 1973)
Chamberlain never fouled out of a regular season or playoff game in his 14 years in the NBA. His career average was only 2 fouls per game, despite having averaged 45.8 minutes per game over his career. His fouls per 36 minutes (a stat used to compare players that average vastly different minutes) was a remarkable 1.6 per game.[1]

NBA accuracy records

See also: List of National Basketball Association top individual field goal percentage seasons

NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (5, from 1964-65 through 1968-69)

Tied with Shaquille O'Neal

NBA Record - Highest Field Goal Percentage in a season (72.7% in 1972-73)

Chamberlain also holds the second highest percentage with 68.3% in 1966-67

NBA Record - Most consecutive field goals (35 from February 17-28, 1967)
NBA Record - Most field goals in a game without a miss (18, Philadelphia 76ers vs. the Baltimore Bullets on February 24, 1967)

Chamberlain also holds the next two most with 16 (March 19, 1967) and 15 (January 20, 1967)

NBA Record - most free-throws missed in a single season (578 in the 1967–68 season)[12]

Chamberlain also missed the second most free throws in a single season at 528 in the 1961–62 season.

NBA Record - Most free throws missed in a game (22, vs. Seattle SuperSonics, December 1, 1967)
NBA Record - Most free throws missed in a half (12, vs. Syracuse Nationals, November 17, 1960)
NBA Playoff Record - Most free throws missed in a game (17, vs. Boston Celtics, April 12, 1966)
NBA Playoff Record - Most free throws missed in a half (12, vs. Boston Celtics, April 12, 1966)

Other selected accuracy facts

2nd most seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (9) record held by Shaquille O'Neal (10)
2nd most free throws attempted in a game with none made (10 vs. the Detroit Pistons on 11/04/1960) — record held by Shaquille O'Neal (11) (12/08/2000)
3rd most free throws attempted in a game with none made (9 at the St. Louis Hawks on February 19, 1967)
3rd lowest career free throw percentage in NBA history (minimum 1200 attempts) record held by Ben Wallace

How about anecdotal evidence, making, teammates better? Magic and Bird 88, and 87 Celtics are some of the best offenses in the history of the league, their passing was unrivaled, with Bird and Magic you were practically locked in to win 50 games.

You can believe that Jordan is the GOAT, he has as strong a case as anyone but to pretend as if Kareem, Russel, Bird, Wilt, Magic don't have very strong cases for the GOAT is just ignorant.

Jordan is unquestionably the greatest perimeter scorer in the history of the league, other than that everything else is up for debate.

WOW! I'm calling 911... cuz I just witnessed a murder!

 

[thegoldenchild]

at cats takin this like they were personally insulted.

this.. no one is entitled to an opinion if it is negatively portraying jordan

 

[onewearz]

half of u gettin all pissed off were born when mike was playin baseball

i have no problem with anything sally said ( maybe except for mchale )

if u aint live the times and see the games you're cut & paste opinions mean nothin here .. jordan was great , but i agree, not the greatest . i remember that bad boy team absolutely sonnin jordan, they changed the rules because they were making him look so bad . calm down youngsters , enjoy Lebron , who is in fact a better all around talent .......

 

[noblekane]

i remember that bad boy team absolutely sonnin jordan, they changed the rules because they were making him look so bad . ..

this is why i had to laugh and say o rly when dude said jordan was doing something in salleys ***

the bad boys put a whoopin to mj and the bulls for years...until they finally beat them. bulls were the pistons *****


and as always the title goat will never be fact and always opinion...

 

[MVP]

OKB, you just sent out the batsignal, the MJ fanboys will not take this lying down...

 

[kingfoamnyc]

LBJ>MJ>Magic>Kareem>Bird>West>Wilt>Big O>Shaq

 

[onewearz]

i honestly believe mj is what he is because of nike . would he have been as popular wearing pumas ?

 

[finallyfamous]

OKB now drivin down his block slowly blasting "ether"

 

[thegoldenchild]

LBJ>MJ>Magic>Kareem>Bird>West>Wilt>Big O>Shaq

what have you been smoking

 

[lyonbc1]

LBJ>MJ>Magic>Kareem>Bird>West>Wilt>Big O>Shaq

what have you been smoking

I spit out my water son. That was a good troll man, props lmao

 

[Peep Game]

LBJMelo>MJ>Magic>Kareem>Bird>West>Wilt>Big O>Shaq

 

[mr jordan04]

Troll

 

[beh235]

I listened to this interview live on the radio. At one point he said Isiah was the best little guys he'd ever played with or something to that effect. That right there told me why he felt how he felt about MJ. Despite being a teammate of both, he got his first two with Isaih and the Pistons. In that circle you either side with Zeke or MJ and we know how those two feel about each other.

That makes zero sense.

Dre, what's with the large letters bruh? A simple bold would have sufficed. When talking about the little guys in the NBA, don't people commonly speak of Zeke, Tiny Archibald, Calvin Murphy, and AI? How does what he said not make sense? If you read correctly, I said it was something to that effect, which means when I paraphrased it, I didn't quote it verbatum. What's the problem? Can you please bless is with your vast knowledge O wise one, since you clearly were displeased with my interpretation of what was said. I swear some dudes needs to take a deep breath before they post

 

[knightlovesqueen]

Let's count the pro-Kobe boners that popped up in this thread.