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Lol the same people who whine about cancel culture sure are quick to click that report button when I talk about evil racist white men.![]()
no it's not. i've been very clear, stop trying to impune my motivations, to delegitimize what i'm saying.
you can effectively suppress marginal views nazism, it's a marginal view,
you can suppress washed up shocked jocks whose popularity peaked in the 1990's
you can't effectively suppress joe rogan,
banning him from spotify doesn't rid world of those ideas and it doesn't help anyone.
You can't boycott something if its alleged harms are purely symbolic, and even though, on second thought, the harms caused by commercial hate speech aren't purely symbolic, you still shouldn't boycott because it won't do anything.Alex Jones,? im sure it has is niche product it's not the same as the most popular english podcast on earth.
Joe Rogan is not alex jones, I think thats a dumb idea.
it doesn't get rid of the ideas, and chilling effect on art and free expression.
I want to hold people accountable for racism. I want those who don't support racism to stop supporting companies that sell or sponsor hate speech for profit.do you want to erect a surveillance state to eradicate conservative infotainment?
call me crazy I think that's a bad idea.
And I have the right to criticize your criticism if I think it's nonsensical and self-defeating.you have the right to make whatever decisions as a consumer,
and I think I have the right to criticize those actions if I think they are unhelpful or counter productive.
It sounds suspiciously similar Joe Manchin's stance on the filibuster: "If you don't roll over for racism now, the racists might someday cite this as precedent to do something bad that they would've attempted regardless!"So your suggestion is basically disarmament to appear principled while ignoring the will happen in practice if conservatives regain the power they lost.
Basically lose the culture war now, to lose is better later.
I agree, I think Rogan is a lost cause.
He fools people into thinking he is reachable because at the end of the day his worldview is motivated by white grievance politics.
Using kid gloves on him isn't gonna work because he won't see it as people being patient or accommodating with him, and return that energy with a true commitment to do better.
He feels that kissing white people's *** should be the natural state of affairs in America
$50 if you can convince me this isnt racist as ****
(Cannot included "he's not racist, he just say racist things")
That a wild, wild take.
Did you really mean to say that harms caused by the normalization of the use of slurs and the propagation of pseudoscientific ideas to his 100 of millions of listeners are symbolic?
I don't think you understand the power that your industry has in shaping minds, and why it is imperative that people whose trade is in information have to abide by certain standards of truth. Joe Rogan is not a journalist, but he is not doing something markedly different than you'd get from Chris Hayes or Terry Gross: they're interviewing people and lending credibility to their words. Spotify not caring about Rogan being deliberately loose with the truth is something everyone should be concerned about.
How is any of that not racist?![]()
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You presented it as some rule, so I was pointing out exceptions. And FB is a major exception because they are radicalizing boomers and Gen-Xers that society.
Conservatives have influence over: the biggest social media website, America's favorite sport by a mile, the most popular cable news network, and a large chunk of local news. Their propaganda infrastructure seems way more powerful than progressives. This seems kinda important to me
And these are hand waved as exceptions, because the cultural taste of progressive are catered to in some programming
I think you severely underestimate the amount of cultural power the conservatives have because of your workplace.
-If you want to bring up what you do for a living to provide insight, I feel it is fair game for me to do the same.
The economic question is not if Rogan and Chappelle are individually popular, but if defending them and their problematic behavior affects the economics of the Spotify and Netflix brands. Spotify and Netflix compete in markets where substitutes to their product exist. It not only want to keep the consumer they have but grow their base and a decent clip to satisfy investors.
And negative shifts, even on the margins, undermine this goal. Any pressure for outside companies not to work with Netflix, Spotify, etc., undermines that goal. Stockholders expect these goals to be met, failure to do so is a problem
-Secondly, while traditionally in labor econ a macro view is taken and employees are considered suppliers and employers consumers, when it comes to the smaller market high-level tech jobs the roles are reversed. Employers are suppliers and employees consumers. These college graduates operate in a rather tight labor market that is bad for companies like Spotify or Netflix. If people can change the perception of a brand with these potential employees. That has negative impacts on hiring talent and in turn their business.
The median consumer isn't the only thing they worry about, it is about changes in sentiments from the marginal one.
You are a liberal. One of the basic tenants of being a liberal is believing politics can affect culture
Conservatives are fighting their culture war through political institutions, they clearly believe this too
Corporations can claim to try to appeal to younger audiences and their progressive cultural views but they are doing so while trying to not piss off conservatives too much. That is why they still donate to them, that is one reason why they are trying to deploy the "free speech" argument when someone says someone does something dumb.
Defend against who?
The same conservatives will be doing whatever they want, not caring and making bad-faith arguments as they do it?
Or the left-wing progressive critics that already blame progressive for things outside their control that treat things like a game?
So your suggestion is basically disarmament to appear principled while ignoring the will happen in practice if conservatives regain the power they lost.
Basically lose the culture war now, to lose is better later.
I'm not trying to impugn your motivations, I'm trying to figure out what they actually are - because the only one that seems the least bit consistent is the resentment of any- and everything that carries even the faintest whiff of performative hashtag activism - no matter how legitimate the underlying problem might be or who else might be involved.
It's okay to moderate content on discussion forums, but not content that you commission for a podcast network?
It's okay to boycott a business engaged in overt discrimination, but not a business that broadcasts racist hate speech for profit?
It's okay for a private company to fire its #1 talk show host for racist comments, but not its #1 podcast host?
All of this just looks like preference in search of principle.
I want to hold people accountable for racism. I want those who don't support racism to stop supporting companies that sell or sponsor hate speech for profit.
It's hardly as radical or dystopian as the alternative.
Ok THIS might be enough to get him up outta here.
I don't think it works this way.if the thing you want would result in more people hearing him not less
The point is not to eradicate those ideas. They will outlive every single one of us.or eradicate those ideas.
Yep, keep exposing yourselfLol a lot of these are hilarous as hell except for that last African one which didn’t even make sense and was disrespectful as hell
Guess family guy and South Park need to be removed too than![]()
What I find hilarous is these same jokes and worse are shown on family guy ,south park ,the simpsonsYep, keep exposing yourself
What I find hilarous is these same jokes and worse are shown on family guy ,south park ,the simpsons
Hell Netflix specials got worse these days
Y’all are just finding **** to throw at Rogan. This is hilarous as desperate. What he said about black people and the n word clip is vile disgusting and he’s a piece of **** for it. If they fine him millions and donate the money to a black charity or organization all good
But y’all being upset at the nonsense up there that IATT posted is hysterical
And don’t know why you keep saying that rusty . I’ll never see you in real life you saying it like it means something. I have alot of respect for you and nothing against you - even prayed for your uncle when you said he got covid - you getting upset at me for my points of view is funny , all good though
I don't think it works this way.
Where are Don Imus, R Kelly, Mason Greenwood (removed from FIFA 2022, dropped by Nike), Bill Cosby and a whole bunch of folks past and present who have displayed views and actions we all agree are despicable? Lost access to their platforms. Did their audience grow as a result? Nope.
Actually no, I mentioned "views and actions" deemed despicable.again you want to escalate these things to justify suppression
Until a major platform pays to produce podcast creators. Then, it becomes a problem.Podcasts are unregulated, podcasting apps are just RSS feed bookmarks.
Im pretty sure I acknowledged that:unless you plan to ban Joe Rogan from the internet, I think youre fooling yourself.
Joe Rogan leaves spotify and all the people subscribed to his RSS feed,
will resume getting episodes.
The point is not to eradicate those ideas. They will outlive every single one of us.
The point is to not normalize them because the end result is not pleasant for a whole bunch of Americans, and we have human history to prove it.
And what could be keeping a radio host from having a podcast? Do older folks not use streaming apps?it's not the same thing as a radio host with an aging audience.