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You've really got people here gloating over the possibility of an old White man cutting 100+ Fuhrman tapes without consequence, quoting White Nationalists, and still not realizing that, somewhere along the line, they got turned around. Unbelievable.
Banning Woolworth's was never going to end racism in and of itself, but establishing economic consequences for racism has always been an important component of creating social change.
These are multifaceted problems requiring multifaceted action. You can't be both "anti-elite" and anti-direct action. Indeed, conservatives constantly whine about how the Warren Court's "judicial activism" got out ahead of popular opinion and was thus anti-democratic.
You keep acting like boycotts and other forms of activism are somehow mutually exclusive, but that is an ahistorical opinion.
I can appreciate that you might want people to aim higher than sanitizing podcast discourse, but, by that same standard, you're just bellyaching about progressives again. What's that accomplishing?
"Stop complaining about other people's speech!" - Guy complaining about other people's speech.
Racist speech is bad and you wish people wouldn't do it, but trying to create accountability for it somehow worse because... trust me?
"Sure, Jimmy is a racist bully - but he's also the most popular kid at school. Suspending him would only make him more popular, because then you've made him an outlaw. If you ask me, those of you trying to curtail his freedom of expression are the real bullies. "
Meanwhile, you're up in arms that Spotify might finally and at long last moderate its own original content less strictly than we've moderated our UGC for over two decades - to no complaint from you.
If you suddenly don't like where we've drawn the line, that's your prerogative, but at least we know where it is.
I've been in communities that refused to hold users accountable for hate speech. That's why we started one that would.
The possibility that we might not get it perfectly right was still a vastly preferable alternative to constant denigration and harassment.
I'm not afraid of people pointing out bad content on the forums - I welcome it. We literally ask people to do this using the report button.
A sentient potato screams racial slurs into a corporate megaphone for years to an audience of millions, and all you can muster is "I wish he wouldn't."
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Segregation was broadly popular. Were bus boycotts and sit-ins bad? You act like this is some universal principle. It isn't.
Banning Woolworth's was never going to end racism in and of itself, but establishing economic consequences for racism has always been an important component of creating social change.
These are multifaceted problems requiring multifaceted action. You can't be both "anti-elite" and anti-direct action. Indeed, conservatives constantly whine about how the Warren Court's "judicial activism" got out ahead of popular opinion and was thus anti-democratic.
You keep acting like boycotts and other forms of activism are somehow mutually exclusive, but that is an ahistorical opinion.
I can appreciate that you might want people to aim higher than sanitizing podcast discourse, but, by that same standard, you're just bellyaching about progressives again. What's that accomplishing?
"Stop complaining about other people's speech!" - Guy complaining about other people's speech.
But you had no problem with CBS firing Don Imus. It's just weird.
Racist speech is bad and you wish people wouldn't do it, but trying to create accountability for it somehow worse because... trust me?
Your repeated descriptions of Rogan as this insuperable juggernaut, whose popularity renders him immune to accountability.
"Sure, Jimmy is a racist bully - but he's also the most popular kid at school. Suspending him would only make him more popular, because then you've made him an outlaw. If you ask me, those of you trying to curtail his freedom of expression are the real bullies. "
This is a complete inversion of my position. I've said repeatedly that platforms, including NikeTalk, are not immune to criticism or accountability. Go back and read what I actually wrote on the subject.
Meanwhile, you're up in arms that Spotify might finally and at long last moderate its own original content less strictly than we've moderated our UGC for over two decades - to no complaint from you.
If you suddenly don't like where we've drawn the line, that's your prerogative, but at least we know where it is.
I've been in communities that refused to hold users accountable for hate speech. That's why we started one that would.
The possibility that we might not get it perfectly right was still a vastly preferable alternative to constant denigration and harassment.
I'm not afraid of people pointing out bad content on the forums - I welcome it. We literally ask people to do this using the report button.
Again with the "elites." It's amazing how much this sounds like Fox News' endless populist anti-intellectual resentment grievance. Let them tell it, CRT is "elite indoctrination," a radical fringe view being imposed on our innocent children.
A sentient potato screams racial slurs into a corporate megaphone for years to an audience of millions, and all you can muster is "I wish he wouldn't."
Clover from Williamsburg co-signs India Arie for 13 IG likes and
