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I can understand if you don't like his music. But how can you deny the body of work he has put out over the course of his career. Jay is GOAT in my book.
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Originally Posted by dland24
Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
I love it when people make outlandish claims, get flamed, and never return to the thread.at the OP.
outlandish? I don't think so b.
Jay-Z is signed/backed by the most powerful & prosperous record label in the world, Def Jam. With that being said, Def Jam has used millions and millions of dollars on his marketing campaigns. I'm talking STACKS.
Jay Z's American Gangster Causes Massive Layoffs at Def Jam
yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z. So my point is, if it were an even playing field in terms of marketing money, best believe NAS would be #1, bar for bar. 99.9% of Jay-Z fans are sheep.
Flaws with your logic:
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president. Completely ignoring both of the president era albums, Jay's catalog is still one of the best ever.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
Stop repeating yourself.Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
I love it when people make outlandish claims, get flamed, and never return to the thread.at the OP.
outlandish? I don't think so b.
Jay-Z is signed/backed by the most powerful & prosperous record label in the world, Def Jam. With that being said, Def Jam has used millions and millions of dollars on his marketing campaigns. I'm talking STACKS.
Jay Z's American Gangster Causes Massive Layoffs at Def Jam
yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z. So my point is, if it were an even playing field in terms of marketing money, best believe NAS would be #1, bar for bar. 99.9% of Jay-Z fans are sheep.
Flaws with your logic:
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president. Completely ignoring both of the president era albums, Jay's catalog is still one of the best ever.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
NO, my point is his counterparts are mentioned in the same breath as him...WITHOUT nearly as half the marketing money he spent. So what's your point?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
I don't care what someone said about who got classics, I'm saying he's backed by the most powerful company around in terms of marketing.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president.
Stop talking out your !++, he's been on def jam since Reasonable Doubt and has been the cornerstone artist ever since.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
"yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z" learn to read... Illmatic, close to no promotion at all, matter fact...didn't even go platinum until 2001 (released in 94) ...result: crowned best lyricist, and the album probably goes down as best rap album ever. That's without all the Def Jam hype behind him.
Originally Posted by LuigiTheKing
Stop repeating yourself.Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
I love it when people make outlandish claims, get flamed, and never return to the thread.at the OP.
outlandish? I don't think so b.
Jay-Z is signed/backed by the most powerful & prosperous record label in the world, Def Jam. With that being said, Def Jam has used millions and millions of dollars on his marketing campaigns. I'm talking STACKS.
Jay Z's American Gangster Causes Massive Layoffs at Def Jam
yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z. So my point is, if it were an even playing field in terms of marketing money, best believe NAS would be #1, bar for bar. 99.9% of Jay-Z fans are sheep.
Flaws with your logic:
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president. Completely ignoring both of the president era albums, Jay's catalog is still one of the best ever.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
NO, my point is his counterparts are mentioned in the same breath as him...WITHOUT nearly as half the marketing money he spent. So what's your point?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
I don't care what someone said about who got classics, I'm saying he's backed by the most powerful company around in terms of marketing.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president.
Stop talking out your !++, he's been on def jam since Reasonable Doubt and has been the cornerstone artist ever since.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
"yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z" learn to read... Illmatic, close to no promotion at all, matter fact...didn't even go platinum until 2001 (released in 94) ...result: crowned best lyricist, and the album probably goes down as best rap album ever. That's without all the Def Jam hype behind him.
Besides, regardless of all of the other flaws in what you're saying, how the hell does promotion make someone a better rapper? Are you trying to deny how good of a rapper Jay-Z is by saying he gets more promotion than Nas? All of his promotion didn't make him one of the greatest lyricists of all time. Soulja Boy gets more promotion than Nas too, he's not dropping classics.
I get what you're trying to say, but it's not a very valid point. The promotion did not lead him to be overrated, the reason he's seen as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, rap artists of all time, is because of all of the incredible music he's put out.
Originally Posted by shabba doo
JAY Z OVERRATED? nah man thats biggie. LOL! YUP! i said it...
Originally Posted by N3FF 3000
Jay has 4 or 5 classics? Word?
Lol name one rapper that came out after 95 that didn't "bite" it's part of teh game,sorry biggie did, Pac did they all did youjust have to know hip hop. Secondly the only song you can even claim that he got "outshined"on is renegade, after that what? He truimped Lil Wayneswhole album with his verse on Mr.Carter, did the same to Bleek, almost did it to T.I but T.I held strong. It's just funny Jay-z is the only rapper that Iknow of that can be mentioned top 5 in every rap catagory, that makes him the GOAT to me, name a catagory and then it'd be a Joke if you can't nameJay-z top 5.Originally Posted by mossman75
i c/s this post he is overrated
he's the only rapper i know who can make a average album and still gets props off it
the fact he's being raped and outshined countless of times on records, stole many lyrics from other rappers so how does that make him the greatest
Originally Posted by JsindaA
Originally Posted by N3FF 3000
Jay has 4 or 5 classics? Word?
Uh yea....RD, Black Album, Blueprint....and you can argue AG and Vol 1.
Originally Posted by Billionaireb
OMG Here We Go!!!.. Man THis Guy Is So Hyped Is Not FUnny...he replaced His lyrics with swagg...thats it....he got so big that whateva he say people be o son..did u hear that man he said he hot like the sun....be real man jay is not even in the top five spot.... i dare to say he aint even the top 10 lets be real... for a min man......
Chuuch, Preach, Tabernackle!Originally Posted by bbllplaya23
Naw that title goes to BIG. But since this is NT, I'll get flamed.Y'all complain that people put Pac up there like he is some God, while half the BIG fans on here talk about him like he is some God. BIG put out TWO albums. There is no way in hell ANYONE with two albums should be considered the GOAT.
Originally Posted by bboy1827
Lol name one rapper that came out after 95 that didn't "bite" it's part of teh game,sorry biggie did, Pac did they all did you just have to know hip hop. Secondly the only song you can even claim that he got "outshined"on is renegade, after that what? He truimped Lil Waynes whole album with his verse on Mr.Carter, did the same to Bleek, almost did it to T.I but T.I held strong. It's just funny Jay-z is the only rapper that I know of that can be mentioned top 5 in every rap catagory, that makes him the GOAT to me, name a catagory and then it'd be a Joke if you can't name Jay-z top 5.Originally Posted by mossman75
i c/s this post he is overrated
he's the only rapper i know who can make a average album and still gets props off it
the fact he's being raped and outshined countless of times on records, stole many lyrics from other rappers so how does that make him the greatest
Originally Posted by rwfanatic
Twista has outshined Jay on a track before? really now?
Originally Posted by rwfanatic
Chuuch, Preach, Tabernackle!Originally Posted by bbllplaya23
Naw that title goes to BIG. But since this is NT, I'll get flamed.Y'all complain that people put Pac up there like he is some God, while half the BIG fans on here talk about him like he is some God. BIG put out TWO albums. There is no way in hell ANYONE with two albums should be considered the GOAT.
Originally Posted by moneymarq
I hope that your not referring to black republicans with nas because both of them had an average verse so no one raped or outshined anyone because those were subpar bars.....
Originally Posted by mossman75
Originally Posted by moneymarq
I hope that your not referring to black republicans with nas because both of them had an average verse so no one raped or outshined anyone because those were subpar bars.....
Nas came off better than jay on that song