Jay-Z is the most CONSISTENT rap artist ever.

[ezflash26]

Well to me The Dynasty was one of my personal favorite albums
Its one of my favorite Jay albums, I dont know what the %!@* these N's on here be talkin bout

, its always thrown in the list of "wack" Jay albums for whateverreason.

I mean, I guess it aint a good "album", it wasnt meant to be tho, more of a showcase for his roster, by far his best album as far as club/hyperecords go (well, this & Vol 2).

But I remember N's on here calling 'Give It To Me' "filler", so

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[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by M16

How am I "lying" ? From the best to worst, Doe or Die and 9 Lives and still better than RD and KC. Same goes for everything in between.

No one said Redman was Canibus or Vinnie Paz lyrically, we are simply talking about remaining consistent. When it comes to that, one of the first names to come to mind is Redman.

Vol 1 and 2 are not complete trash, but they are no where near classics. Ghostface however does not have KC's and Vol 3's in his career.

I'll take out Sean P if it makes you feel better only because he has only 2 solo albums and we are talking about solo artists.

We still have plenty of unarguably more consistent rappers.

Either you really don't listen to Hip-Hop the way you claim to...or you just say flat out stupid s_ for arguments sake.

Do or Die (with only 11/12 tracks and I feel for you) is better than Reasonable Doubt? Undeniable is better than American Gangster and Pieces of a Man isbetter than Vol.1 or 2.....OK

This is why cats don't take your opinion seriously...you say stupid s_ just to go against the grain.

 

[n3ff 3000]

Jay don't have 3 classics in my mind. ABH, you arguing ain't gonna do anything but get yourself aggravated. This is a kid who tried saying vinnie pazhad a better flow than Eminem, I mean, c'mon now.

 

[nocomment6]

jay dropped weak albums. He wasnt always on top. I think Scarface has probably been more consistent. I wouldnt consider Nas, but I like the idea on Kanye, 3great albums. What about bands? Outkast or The Roots?

 

[n3ff 3000]

Im confused as to why you like the idea of Kanye but not NaS? OutKast should be considered but I think we talking about solo artists. OutKast dropped 3classics in a row IMO.

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by N3FF 3000

Jay don't have 3 classics in my mind.

The Source 5 Mic Albums

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[h4]Jay-Z[/h4] [h5]Reasonable Doubt (1996)[/h5] we said then: In terms of subject matter, Jay-Z isn't saying anything new. It's the same 'ol criminal melodrama that you hear on so many rap LPs nowadays. (Aug 96) What we say now: Although hustling on wax in 1996 was more common than a Bad Boy R&B jack, Jay's recollections of his street occupation are pregnant with detail. While MC Drug Lord would do no more than tell us that he made his living in the streets, Shawn Carter went further by meticulously explaining the reasons for his illegal activities. Songs like "Politics As Usual" clearly describe a man torn between his conscience and love of money. Ain't nothing same 'ol about that.

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[h4]Jay-Z[/h4] [h5]The Blueprint (2001)[/h5]

These two are pretty much unquestioned classics eventhough Blueprint may be ovverated...it undoubtedly a classic.

Pick one.

If Aquemini and Stillmatic are classic albums...I don't want to hear that none of those other albums can be considered classic. We got a generation ofJay-Z baby MCs out here and y'all acting like these albums ain't influential. There are dozens of albums that attempt to copy the format or Vol.1 andVol. 2 song for song.

 

[m16]

Doe or Die > RD.

Aziatic > Vol 1/2

AWOL/The Format > AG/Black Album

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by M16

Doe or Die > RD.

Aziatic > Vol 1/2

AWOL/The Format > AG/Black Album

Are you sure you want to Ignore M16? Ignoring a user will automatically collapse (hide) all posts and replies made by that user.

 

[n3ff 3000]

I could care less what the source has to say honestly. BP is overrated IMO and I don't consider it a classic, I enjoyed BP2 more than BP. TBA is a classicsame with RD. AG is great, Vol 1 is great and Vol 2 is good. But classic? IDK, maybe me and you view the term "classic" differently.

 

[m16]

You wanna talk about flow ?

Jay-Z's flow went from dope (early 90's) to good ('96) to unbearable ('97 on)

Combine with boring brag raps repeated constantly and you have NT's favorite rapper.

 

[sohi 23]

Originally Posted by M16

You wanna talk about flow ?

Jay-Z's flow went from dope (early 90's) to good ('96) to unbearable ('97 on)

Combine with boring brag raps repeated constantly and you have NT's favorite rapper.

You're an idiot dude.
The point of music to alot(if not most) of these dudes is to make $$$$.

Jay's not a @+%%*%+.
He caught what Big did with HIS laid-back, slower flow and all the money it made him.

When's the last time a rapper who raps like Jay used to rap in the early 90s sold anything?
Jay wasn't getting on with that style, I mean he didn't get the chance to drop an album til he was like 26(could be older, I don't remember).

The point of this rap +%@$ to alot of people is to sell records and make $$$.
Even though, I don't think Jay is the GOAT, he's done that better than almost anyone in hip-hop history.

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by N3FF 3000

I could care less what the source has to say honestly. BP is overrated IMO and I don't consider it a classic, I enjoyed BP2 more than BP. TBA is a classic same with RD. AG is great, Vol 1 is great and Vol 2 is good. But classic? IDK, maybe me and you view the term "classic" differently.

Thats your opinion though as much as the Source has fallen off their 5 mic standard, still holds respect....that's the only reason I posted it. Regardlessof what you think though "The Blueprint" is a classic Hip-Hop album. Its overrated in the sense that people call it the best ever and things likethat and it does have it flaws...but that doesn't eliminate something from being classic. If that album ain't classic...there are no classic albums inHip-Hop. You still hear musical qeues from that album in other MCs work 8 years later. Titanic and Terminator 2 were flawed...some people don't like thembut they are undoubetly classic films.

The production alone makes that album classic. Just like the special effects made T2 classic.

 

[m16]

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

Originally Posted by M16

You wanna talk about flow ?

Jay-Z's flow went from dope (early 90's) to good ('96) to unbearable ('97 on)

Combine with boring brag raps repeated constantly and you have NT's favorite rapper.

You're an idiot dude.
The point of music to alot(if not most) of these dudes is to make $$$$.

Jay's not a @+%%*%+.
He caught what Big did with HIS laid-back, slower flow and all the money it made him.

When's the last time a rapper who raps like Jay used to rap in the early 90s sold anything?
Jay wasn't getting on with that style, I mean he didn't get the chance to drop an album til he was like 26(could be older, I don't remember).

The point of this rap +%@$ to alot of people is to sell records and make $$$.
Even though, I don't think Jay is the GOAT, he's done that better than almost anyone in hip-hop history.

How does this make any sense ? Jay had good flow, then switched it up to some trash to sell more and you are praising him ? How does the question about sellingmake sense either ? Are you saying no rappers with good flow sell ? Either way using sales to judge anything is ******ed.

 

[n3ff 3000]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Originally Posted by N3FF 3000

I could care less what the source has to say honestly. BP is overrated IMO and I don't consider it a classic, I enjoyed BP2 more than BP. TBA is a classic same with RD. AG is great, Vol 1 is great and Vol 2 is good. But classic? IDK, maybe me and you view the term "classic" differently.

Thats your opinion though as much as the Source has fallen off their 5 mic standard, still holds respect....that's the only reason I posted it. Regardless of what you think though "The Blueprint" is a classic Hip-Hop album. Its overrated in the sense that people call it the best ever and things like that and it does have it flaws...but that doesn't eliminate something from being classic. If that album ain't classic...there are no classic albums in Hip-Hop. You still hear musical qeues from that album in other MCs work 8 years later. Titanic and Terminator 2 were flawed...some people don't like them but they are undoubetly classic films.

The production alone makes that album classic. Just like the special effects made T2 classic.

As far as general consensus goes yeh, BP is a classic. But in my personal opinion its not a classic album.

 

[harlem on the rise]

Did this dude just call Jay's flow unbearable from 1997 on??...

I'm speechless

I mean I don't think Jay has all these classics these dudes is talkin about, but he has accomplished WAAAAAY too much to be disrespected like that...He's one of the most consistant, no doubt. In the case of a Dynasty/Vol 3/BP2 There's atleast 3-5 GOOD-Great songs on each of his albums, but thatdoesn't make the entire album Good or Great. And I'm a Jay fan like any other self respecting supporter of hip hop... But come on... (not to sound likea hater but) Yall givin him too much props...

But what else is new...

 

[willybuck]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Thats your opinion though as much as the Source has fallen off their 5 mic standard, still holds respect....that's the only reason I posted it.

For the record, Reasonable Doubt was originally given 4 mics.

Regardless of what you think though "The Blueprint" is a classic Hip-Hop album.

If that album ain't classic...there are no classic albums in Hip-Hop.
What?

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by WillyBuck

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Thats your opinion though as much as the Source has fallen off their 5 mic standard, still holds respect....that's the only reason I posted it.

For the record, Reasonable Doubt was originally given 4 mics.

Regardless of what you think though "The Blueprint" is a classic Hip-Hop album.

If that album ain't classic...there are no classic albums in Hip-Hop.
What?

We all know that

Whats so hard to understand/funny about those statements?

 

[dapper d]

Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

Originally Posted by M16

You wanna talk about flow ?

Jay-Z's flow went from dope (early 90's) to good ('96) to unbearable ('97 on)

Combine with boring brag raps repeated constantly and you have NT's favorite rapper.

You're an idiot dude.
The point of music to alot(if not most) of these dudes is to make $$$$.

Jay's not a @+%%*%+.
He caught what Big did with HIS laid-back, slower flow and all the money it made him.

When's the last time a rapper who raps like Jay used to rap in the early 90s sold anything?
Jay wasn't getting on with that style, I mean he didn't get the chance to drop an album til he was like 26(could be older, I don't remember).

The point of this rap +%@$ to alot of people is to sell records and make $$$.
Even though, I don't think Jay is the GOAT, he's done that better than almost anyone in hip-hop history.

How does this make any sense ? Jay had good flow, then switched it up to some trash to sell more and you are praising him ? How does the question about selling make sense either ? Are you saying no rappers with good flow sell ? Either way using sales to judge anything is ******ed.

Based on the !$!#+% u like to listen to...Ur opinion of flow holds no wait over here...

 

[willybuck]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Originally Posted by WillyBuck

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Thats your opinion though as much as the Source has fallen off their 5 mic standard, still holds respect....that's the only reason I posted it.

For the record, Reasonable Doubt was originally given 4 mics.

Regardless of what you think though "The Blueprint" is a classic Hip-Hop album.

If that album ain't classic...there are no classic albums in Hip-Hop.

What?

We all know that

Whats so hard to understand/funny about those statements?


The fact that you think "The Blueprint" defines the word classic and is thus unquestionable. It's both bewildering and hilarious.

 

[m16]

@ something that isn't a classic "defining" classic.

I give you props though, listening to 98% of Jay-Z's music is torture to my ear drums.

 

[abeautifulhaze]

Originally Posted by WillyBuck

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Originally Posted by WillyBuck

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Thats your opinion though as much as the Source has fallen off their 5 mic standard, still holds respect....that's the only reason I posted it.

For the record, Reasonable Doubt was originally given 4 mics.

Regardless of what you think though "The Blueprint" is a classic Hip-Hop album.

If that album ain't classic...there are no classic albums in Hip-Hop.

What?

We all know that

Whats so hard to understand/funny about those statements?


The fact that you think "The Blueprint" defines the word classic and is thus unquestionable. It's both bewildering and hilarious.



So you read me post the album has flaws and is overrated...and you got that the Blueprint defines the word classic?

All albums have their flaws including the best Hip-Hop albums ever...Paid in Full, Illmatic, It Takes a Nation etc. and Blueprint is not as great as anIllmatic or Ready To Die but it is an unquestioned classic album...from its reception, its production, the rebirth of the slow, talk you through it flow thateveryone is using now, to the singles, to the videos, to the influence, to the cohesiveness of the album.....as I type this..."You don't know" isplaying in the background on ABC at the Cavs/Spurs game

Its a classic album fam and you don't have to like it to appreciate that fact.

There are several album considered classic that I don't rock with...but I still recognize their role in Hip-Hop.

 

[harlem on the rise]

ABH
How can you praise Blueprint like that (its def a classic) then big up Dynasty?? That +%!# sounds like a west coast album outside 3 or 4 joints... That'snot a Jay Z album... Atleast not the Jay I'm a fan of, I remember back then they were sayin it was supposed to be a compilation but opted to make it a JayZ album in fear of a sales slump...

Same with Vol 3, that doesn't sound like Jay Z album. It sounds like a Down South/West Coast album outside of maybe 3 or 4 joints

That's what makes Blueprint a great album, because it was Jay returning to form musically... He kinda strayed off with all those joints tryin to appeal toother regions... I'm not feelin that...

 

[abeautifulhaze]

To me good music is good music. I don't need an artist to sound the same throughout their career to appreciate their work.

Illmatic and Untitled are polar opposites but I can appreciate both albums.

"Intro" - Heatrock. Classic Intro
"Change the Game" - Gutter radio single that I enjoyed. "Roc- airs, Roc wears bandannas and white Tees...me without a gun thats un-like-ly."
"I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2Me)" - Club hit of the year. Tore the club up and was cool at the same time.
"Streets Is Talking" - Is he Blood is he Crip? They be taking me out my zone like a _ wit a handle. Crack. Seag spazzed.
"This Can't Be Life" - Epic hood s_. No more need to be said. Classic track.
"Get Your Mind Right Mami" - That smooth pimp s_, nice track, nice lyrics. Some may not feel it but I mess with it.
"Stick 2 The Script" - I know you hate this joint but it bump hard to me. Beat, hook, old skool flow. "And I stick to the script...Its my adviceto live...eat _ let it stick to ya ribs" "Breathe mami this is good weed mami.."

"You, Me, Him And Her" - Great posse cut. Nothing need be said.
"Guilty Until Proven Innocent" - trash
"Parking Lot Pimpin'" - Beat blew out ya speakers and had everyone talking about PLP thereafter. Possible skipper still but it bumps.
"Holla" - Bleek went it! This joint is straight concrete. Jay had to write this..."I still got the crackheads ID...."

"1-900-Hustler" - Classic concept joint. Orginal as hell, everyone came correct. Fire.
"The R.O.C." - Another possible skipper but Beans was killing off the top. It was a freestlye on a major release.
4 "Soon You'll Understand" - Introspective piff. Crazy beat. Vivid storytelling. Real s_. "I brought crack past your doors, beef with rivalcrews and who wants to be the mother of a son who sells drugs? Co-workers see me on the coner slingin Larry Love"
"Squeeze 1st" - Another possible skipper but this was hard to me to. Beat knocked and Jay was just playing with the flow throwing it all over theroom. "Kept a POW tucked in my brown belt...couldn't sit down...big gun kept stickin my pelvis...s_ it was either that or be living with Elvis.."

"Told her wasn't promised tomorrow, gotta live for today and before shecould yell JAY!.........................................I was out the door. Pouch full of raw. An outlaw mentality. Men gotta do men things for men salary. BadBoy, not Puff or Mike Lawry. Damn BIG woulda been proud of me."

"Where Have You Been" - One of the most heartfelt songs in Hip-Hop history brought fathers and sons together in real life after years of separation.

How can that be GARBAGE?

Flawed, not as good cohesively as his other albums, too much of the other Roc artists....OK. But that ain't garbage/trash/wack to me.

 

[willybuck]

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

So you read me post the album has flaws and is overrated...and you got that the Blueprint defines the word classic?

All albums have their flaws including the best Hip-Hop albums ever...Paid in Full, Illmatic, It Takes a Nation etc. and Blueprint is not as great as an Illmatic or Ready To Die but it is an unquestioned classic album...from its reception, its production, the rebirth of the slow, talk you through it flow that everyone is using now, to the singles, to the videos, to the influence, to the cohesiveness of the album.....as I type this..."You don't know" is playing in the background on ABC at the Cavs/Spurs game

Its a classic album fam and you don't have to like it to appreciate that fact.

There are several album considered classic that I don't rock with...but I still recognize their role in Hip-Hop.

No, I read the parts about it being unquestionable and how if it isn't a classic, then there are none.

The albums you listed might have their miscues, but they are miniscule in comparison to "The Blueprint." There are multiple skip-worthy songs, suchas "Izzo," "Jigga That..," and "Hola Hovito," that I personally don't mess with and that right there keeps it from beinganywhere near consideration.

As far as its reception, production, etc. goes, I don't see how it rivals the other albums listed. Everything about "The Blueprint" seems atleastone step removed from the albums I would consider classic, though I usually focus solely on the music itself.

I'm trying to think back to when the album dropped, but I don't remember there being an incredible hype surrounding it, definitely nowhere near Vol. 2or TBA. "Stillmatic" came out later that year, hit harder and was the better album. The only way I'd call "The Blueprint" some sort ofclassic, is if it was attached to "Stillmatic" and the Jay/Nas beef. But not as a standalone album.

 

[harlem on the rise]

IMO more than half of the songs are pretty wack... The album didn't move me ONE bit in comparison to his better work... Just sounds forced.

Intro
Can't Be Life
You,Me, Him & Her
Soon You'll Understand
Where Have You Been

The rest sounds like a Dogg Pound album... I'm not sayin artists should sound the same all the time but I don't want the so called King Of New Yorkrappin over beats Snoop should have, the same way I don't Snoop rockin over %%@@ better suited for Jay... I'm sure a lot of people felt that way,prolly Jay included that's why he changed his sound for Blueprint...