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please don't start thisOriginally Posted by KenJi714
Better than Jordan
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please don't start thisOriginally Posted by KenJi714
Better than Jordan
please don't start thisOriginally Posted by KenJi714
Better than Jordan
I am a HUGE Kobe fan, and was always a big hater on the Jordan dynasty and I still can't quite say that YET.Originally Posted by jmause3
please don't start thisOriginally Posted by KenJi714
Better than Jordan
I am a HUGE Kobe fan, and was always a big hater on the Jordan dynasty and I still can't quite say that YET.Originally Posted by jmause3
please don't start thisOriginally Posted by KenJi714
Better than Jordan
Shooting is debatable. There is no way that Kobe's footwork is better than Jordan's though. Jordan was unstoppable in the low post, mostly thanks to his amazing footwork. Kobe isn't at that level.Originally Posted by KenJi714
Of course i didn't try to start that lame usual Kobe vs Jordan war but everyone have their own opinion. I just think Kobe is a better player and i like his game better than Jordan. Jordan is a better athlete and more physically gifted just like Lebron. Kobe is a better shooter and better footwork.
Shooting is debatable. There is no way that Kobe's footwork is better than Jordan's though. Jordan was unstoppable in the low post, mostly thanks to his amazing footwork. Kobe isn't at that level.Originally Posted by KenJi714
Of course i didn't try to start that lame usual Kobe vs Jordan war but everyone have their own opinion. I just think Kobe is a better player and i like his game better than Jordan. Jordan is a better athlete and more physically gifted just like Lebron. Kobe is a better shooter and better footwork.
Originally Posted by zube42
And another Kobe Vs. Jordan thread has started again
Originally Posted by zube42
And another Kobe Vs. Jordan thread has started again
Originally Posted by jmause3
please don't start thisOriginally Posted by KenJi714
Better than Jordan
Originally Posted by jmause3
please don't start thisOriginally Posted by KenJi714
Better than Jordan
Well for one, in-depth studies about this has already shown this isn't the case. A player might create shots at a higher rate than his usually does in the clutch (as a result of being the team's best player, and also as a residual effect of defenses tightening up in these situations), but his efficiency doesn't improve or stay constant, which would indicate an actual improvement in HIS performance.Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
Isn't that exactly the point? The best players overcome the psychological pressure of the moment and still perform up to or beyond what they would in a normal game situation?
Well for one, in-depth studies about this has already shown this isn't the case. A player might create shots at a higher rate than his usually does in the clutch (as a result of being the team's best player, and also as a residual effect of defenses tightening up in these situations), but his efficiency doesn't improve or stay constant, which would indicate an actual improvement in HIS performance.Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
Isn't that exactly the point? The best players overcome the psychological pressure of the moment and still perform up to or beyond what they would in a normal game situation?
That's been said about him for almost a decade though........Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
He had one good season of "clutch play" and he's now "the guy you would give the ball to over anyone else" in those situations?
That's been said about him for almost a decade though........Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
He had one good season of "clutch play" and he's now "the guy you would give the ball to over anyone else" in those situations?
Larger sample = more evidence to draw from = less "fluky" results. Simple as that. Even if you want to regard the better pitching in the postseason, which was a great point you brought up.Originally Posted by CP1708
Yes I do, years and years of performance. It's not like A-Rod has only played in one series in his life and got 17 at bats. Why are you trying to compare 231 to 8500?
Yes, you can say what you want about the %'s and dropoffs or whatever, but people were calling him the closer years ago.
True, but for those nine years they didn't have a leg to stand on stat-wise for their claim. Now some Lakers fans want to tout 7 for 12 as "proof". I find that a bit ironic. Just sayin'.
Larger sample = more evidence to draw from = less "fluky" results. Simple as that. Even if you want to regard the better pitching in the postseason, which was a great point you brought up.Originally Posted by CP1708
Yes I do, years and years of performance. It's not like A-Rod has only played in one series in his life and got 17 at bats. Why are you trying to compare 231 to 8500?
Yes, you can say what you want about the %'s and dropoffs or whatever, but people were calling him the closer years ago.
True, but for those nine years they didn't have a leg to stand on stat-wise for their claim. Now some Lakers fans want to tout 7 for 12 as "proof". I find that a bit ironic. Just sayin'.
Didn't you just limit the sample size here? Eli Manning has more super bowl wins since 2007 then Tom Brady and Peyton Manning combined, let's not go calling Eli better then either of them though ok?Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
The "postseason choke artist" A-Rod once started his postseason career as a Yankee 1 for something through the 2004 playoffs and wasn't getting on base. Now, he has a higher OPS, more runs scored, more RBI, and more stolen bases (7 for 9) since 2004 than...Derek Jeter. He even outproduced him in the 2009 World Series.
Didn't you just limit the sample size here? Eli Manning has more super bowl wins since 2007 then Tom Brady and Peyton Manning combined, let's not go calling Eli better then either of them though ok?Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
The "postseason choke artist" A-Rod once started his postseason career as a Yankee 1 for something through the 2004 playoffs and wasn't getting on base. Now, he has a higher OPS, more runs scored, more RBI, and more stolen bases (7 for 9) since 2004 than...Derek Jeter. He even outproduced him in the 2009 World Series.
CP1708 wrote:
Didn't you just limit the sample size here?
You missed the point. I started from his first postseason stint as a Yankee then went from there.
I'm just merely pointing out what I was talking about in my previous post by using a basic example. You're still not getting it though, as you show when you say "A-Rod could play for another 50 years and not match what Derek has done for his career." He has already not just matched but surpassed Jeter's play since they became teammates! Couldn't his early struggles be just that (due to pressure or not alot of experience of whatever have you), instead of production that reflects his true value as a hitter?
A-Rod playing better lately and getting his 1 ring, doesn't make up for the years and years prior, otherwise he could have 3-4 rings instead of just one.
Lot of things wrong with this statement.
CP1708 wrote:
Didn't you just limit the sample size here?
You missed the point. I started from his first postseason stint as a Yankee then went from there.
I'm just merely pointing out what I was talking about in my previous post by using a basic example. You're still not getting it though, as you show when you say "A-Rod could play for another 50 years and not match what Derek has done for his career." He has already not just matched but surpassed Jeter's play since they became teammates! Couldn't his early struggles be just that (due to pressure or not alot of experience of whatever have you), instead of production that reflects his true value as a hitter?
A-Rod playing better lately and getting his 1 ring, doesn't make up for the years and years prior, otherwise he could have 3-4 rings instead of just one.
Lot of things wrong with this statement.