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Pretty much. MJ, Kareem, Russell, Wilt and Magic are all in the discussion. It's not at all a stretch for any of those guys to be considered the GOAT. I'm sure if you wanted to make a case for either of them you can make a list of all of their individual accomplishments and go from there. It wasn't that hard for me to look up some information on KAJ and make a valid argument for him...yet some Jordan fanatics continue to say that it's ridiculous.Originally Posted by grittyman20
The point OP is trying to make (and I agree to an extent) is that while most of us would agree that MJ=GOAT, it's not to the degree where it's laughable to even argue for anyone else. It's impossible to make a case that Wayne Gretzky isn't the greatest hockey player ever--he owns every record. It's impossible to make a case that Jerry Rice isn't the best receiver ever. Both those guys literally lapped the field. I don't think MJ is THAT far ahead of whoever is ranked 2nd/3rd where you can't even mention anyone's name but Mike's in a GOAT discussion.
Side note: Kareem wrote a letter in response to Pippen's LBJ comments in which he basically said that Wilt was the GOAT. Check it out
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Every team had the opportunity to amass a solid nucleus. Only the cream of the basketball world got to play then. So MJ has to be appraised in perspective. His incredible athletic ability, charisma and leadership on the court helped to make basketball popular around the world -- no question about that. But in terms of greatness, MJ has to take a backseat to The Stilt.
In terms of winning, Michael excelled as both an emotional and scoring leader but Bill Russell’s Celtics won eight consecutive NBA Championships. Bill's rebounding average per game is over 22.5 lifetime, MJs best rebounding years was eight per game (1989). But we will never know exactly how many shots Bill Russell blocked because again, they never kept that statistic while he played. However, if you ask anybody that played against Russell, they will just roll their eyes and say he blocked all the shots he wanted to block in the crucial moments of a game.
Bill played on a total of 11 championship teams and as you very well know, Scottie, the ring is the thing, and everything else is just statistics. So I would advise you to do a little homework before crowning Michael or LeBron with the title of best ever. As dominant as he is, LeBron has yet to win a championship. I must say that it looks like Miami has finally put the team together that will change that circumstance. Its my hope that today’s players get a better perspective on exactly what has been done in this league in the days of yore.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
Everything he said is truth but MJ fans will say they didnt have the "determination" that Jordan had... plus all this has been brought up in numerous arguments between me and my friends and there's an excuse for every stat he pointed out and every ring Bill Russell got because apparently 6 is more then 11 in chicago...