GREY MARKET DISCUSSION THREAD VOL. 2!!! (LET'S KEEP THE DISCUSSION MATURE) RULES ON PG 1 PLEASE READ

[aksuited]

I wouldn't think this thread would ever "run it's course".
I think closing it would be a mistake.

It would be. THey closed the last one and the issue that subsequently arose was every release thread was cluttered with GM discussions which constantly threatened the all of the official release threads to be locked.

So we need this thread to debate, as well as learn and compare all releases, without infringing on the official release threads and having mods constantly threaten to lock them. 
 

This is our arena to "let it all out." If you sift thru the garbage, you can learn a lot in here.

 

[jbc908]

He is saying you still wore them even tho they aint legit, which nullifies this topic of gm vs authentic bcuz either way u gon wear it and if people are worried about other men calling them out for fakes they got a lot more to worry bout

Pretty sure you picked up somehow that my shoes are GM, even though they're retail. Nothing in what I posted hinted at the idea that I went the GM route when shopping for Concord lows.

God can you read lmao, you said, the soles weren't milky/ toecap yada yada yada, the dude quoted you and said "you still wore them tho"i think he was implying they were gm. i never said yours were gm

 

[aksuited]

Boldness of Elephant Print on authentics has varied DRASTICALLY from pair to pair since 2001. I've even seen many pairs with mismatched elephant print. '94 IIIs were the last generation that had consistently thin print.

This is true, but the ultra BOLD hilarious EP we've seen on GMs over the last year have NEVER been seen on any retail pair. Joints looked painted on. 

 

[Bert.]

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2011/08/19/discussion-are-they-legit-if-nike-doesnt-approve/

bro

do you understand that GM pairs and Authentic pairs arent the same? who keeps telling you the shoes are the same?

When I say grey market, this is what I am referring to. Shoes made in the same factories but without Nike's authorization. I have states as much numerous times in this thread. Im talking about the Air Randy, Marquee Sole, etc early releases.

dude

the freakin shoes could be made in the USA, it means nothing. they would be fake.

IT DOESNT MATTER WHERE THEY ARE MADE. they are fake... they dont use the same materials or anything. so why does it matter where they are made? why? it means nothing? the factories could be making 10 different things from 10 different brands under the same roof.

 

[aksuited]

God can you read lmao, you said, the soles weren't milky/ toecap yada yada yada, the dude quoted you and said "you still wore them tho"i think he was implying they were gm. i never said yours were gm

That's where more ignorance comes in. GM concord lows are known for being way too milky. I said in pics they looked like they might have been milky. Then I said that when I saw them in person they were transparent. Got it now breh?

 

[blastercombo]

The shoes aren't even made with the same materials, that's not even debatable, that's fact .......... Where is the argument here? There really isn't anything else that needs to be said after that concerning authenticity.

 

[jbc908]

God can you read lmao, you said, the soles weren't milky/ toecap yada yada yada, the dude quoted you and said "you still wore them tho"i think he was implying they were gm. i never said yours were gm

That's where more ignorance comes in. GM concord lows are known for being way too milky. Mine were transparent. Got it now breh?

You still dont neverm... lmao

 

[aksuited]

The shoes aren't even made with the same materials .......... Where is the argument here? There really isn't anything else that needs to be said after that concerning authenticity.

You and I see the obvious differences. Those that disagree turn a blind eye, or a crooked one lol IDK. But the materials are def different. 

 

[SteveSteve72]

I wouldn't think this thread would ever "run it's course".
I think closing it would be a mistake.

I wouldn't think this thread would ever "run it's course".

I think closing it would be a mistake.

It would be. THey closed the last one and the issue that subsequently arose was every release thread was cluttered with GM discussions which constantly threatened the all of the official release threads to be locked.

So we need this thread to debate, as well as learn and compare all releases, without infringing on the official release threads and having mods constantly threaten to lock them. 

 
This is our arena to "let it all out." If you sift thru the garbage, you can learn a lot in here.

QFT

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[mrdeeds]

God can you read lmao, you said, the soles weren't milky/ toecap yada yada yada, the dude quoted you and said "you still wore them tho"i think he was implying they were gm. i never said yours were gm

That's where more ignorance comes in. GM concord lows are known for being way too milky. I said in pics they looked like they might have been milky. Then I said that when I saw them in person they were transparent. Got it now breh?

The blue tint to the upper on the concord GM lows is too obvious.

 

[blastercombo]

Bruh, you, me and everyone with the ability to see can see it. That's not debatable, that's fact. On top of that, often times the colors are not even the same. I mean c'mon man.... What's left to be said here?



The stores that sell the fakes, shut down and open ship using different name over and over again then they get called out. This isn't rocket science here folks

 

[aksuited]

Bruh, you, me and everyone with the ability to see can see it. That's not debatable, that's fact. On top of that, often times the colors are not even the same. I mean c'mon man.... What's left to be said here?

Well I for one, still don't know what to look for aside from color differences with GM 6s and 7s. I could use some insight. I do notice that GM 6 stitching at the top of the collars is often wavy and crooked. But other than that, I've got nothing.

 

[jchambers]

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[blastercombo]

Well I for one, still don't know what to look for aside from color differences with GM 6s and 7s. I could use some insight. I do notice that GM 6 stitching at the top of the collars is often wavy and crooked. But other than that, I've got nothing.

No no, I mean for people defending they are "the same". They aren't the same at all. There's undeniable proof of that.



Chambers guy bringing up "you got fooled by online pictures once so you don't know anything" is completely irrelevant to the topic. He also has yet to reveal is "friend that buys millions of shoes overseas" nor where they come from.

 

[Mamba4life]

What are you talking about?

Don't mind me. I'm just watching this back and forth debate. I actually don't think this topic is as black and white as some of you would like it to be. It's actually......wait for it....wait for it.....shades of grey Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Let me jump in. I'm 41 years young and I have been wearing and purchasing these things for a LONG time. Initially when retros it, we had fakes. They were terrible and their prices reflected it. Fast forward to now. You have GM sites able to charge a pretty penny for shoes that to a good percentage of us are fake. How is that possible? I don't know if they're made in the same factory, a different factory, a cousin's factory. All I know is that these shoes are close enough to what we get out of the store for joe schmo public to spend REAL coin on them.

 

[jchambers]

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[jbc908]

What are you talking about?

Don't mind me. I'm just watching this back and forth debate. I actually don't think this topic is as black and white as some of you would like it to be. It's actually......wait for it....wait for it.....shades of grey Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Let me jump in. I'm 41 years young and I have been wearing and purchasing these things for a LONG time. Initially when retros it, we had fakes. They were terrible and their prices reflected it. Fast forward to now. You have GM sites able to charge a pretty penny for shoes that to a good percentage of us are fake. How is that possible? I don't know if they're made in the same factory, a different factory, a cousin's factory. All I know is that these shoes are close enough to what we get out of the store for joe schmo public to spend REAL coin on them.

Edit: precisely lmao

 

[mrdeeds]

They don't. You were the main person tearing Ninjas authentics apart, so your credibility is shot anyways.

Ninja did purchase gm early releases though many times..so they might have been fake regardless of what you told him

You have proposed an interesting conspiracy theory. I guess we will never know since grey markets can't be discerned from authentics.

Every time you say grey markets can't be discerned from authentics I just picture you with your fingers in your ears and eyes closed.

We're telling you we can tell but I guess the statement you keep reiterating invalidates the actual evidence that supports our viewpoint.

 

[aksuited]

All I know is that these shoes are close enough to what we get out of the store for joe schmo public to spend REAL coin on them.

And for Joe schmo...that's fine. But for us that know better. the shoes aren't even close to the real thing

 

[Bert.]

and all he brings up is the Ninjahood experiment which means nothing.

like ive said plenty of times, pictures mean nothing. pictures on some of these sites are actual authentic pairs. check most of em for the bred 1's they are authentics but when you receive the shoe what exactly do you receive...?

 

[aksuited]

and all he brings up is the Ninjahood experiment which means nothing.

like ive said plenty of times, pictures mean nothing. pictures on some of these sites are actual authentic pairs. check most of em for the bred 1's

they are authentics but when you receive the shoe what exactly do you receive...?

Usually even the pictures are enough. Which is why we can easily spot GMs in the legit check with a few detailed pics. 

But to JChambers....this "GM 3 can't be discerned" from retail pairs. Only 360 dollars on josesneakers.com

 

[dankenstien88]

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2011/08/19/discussion-are-they-legit-if-nike-doesnt-approve/

bro

do you understand that GM pairs and Authentic pairs arent the same? who keeps telling you the shoes are the same?

When I say grey market, this is what I am referring to. Shoes made in the same factories but without Nike's authorization. I have states as much numerous times in this thread. Im talking about the Air Randy, Marquee Sole, etc early releases.

I agree with most of what you are saying throughout this thread. It seems like you are one of the only people in here with some knowledge of Chinese manufacturing processes and their hijinks... not just a "sneaker head" with sneaker knowledge.

That said, I don't think the majority of shoes in question are being made in the same factories. In fact, I know they aren't. Most shady contractors take materials they have access to elsewhere and outsource production using slightly different (less expensive) construction methods. This accounts for things like the difference in the way insoles are glued. The GMs I've seen all had sloppy hand glued insoles as opposed to the machine glued diagonal lines found on authentics. It also accounts for shoes with deflated Air-Sole units. ie: they have easy access to the raw Air-Sole units, but don't expend the time or effort to fill them with nitrogen.

Boldness of Elephant Print on authentics has varied DRASTICALLY from pair to pair since 2001. I've even seen many pairs with mismatched elephant print. '94 IIIs were the last generation that had consistently thin print.

This is true, but the ultra BOLD hilarious EP we've seen on GMs over the last year have NEVER been seen on any retail pair. Joints looked painted on. 

Can you show me some examples ? I cant imagine they're too much worse than difference in some of my authentic pairs

 

[aksuited]

Can you show me some examples ? I cant imagine they're too much worse than difference in some of my authentic pairs

See above post of 88 3s. Show me a retail pair with EP like that.

Here is another. This is typical:

That EP look anything like what you know about retail pairs?

And the other pair again:

 

[jchambers]

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[Bert.]

Can you show me some examples ? I cant imagine they're too much worse than difference in some of my authentic pairs

See above post of 88 3s. Show me a retail pair with EP like that.

Here is another. This is typical:

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That EP look anything like what you know about retail pairs?

thats because anything from nike will NOT have EP like that. thats the tell on these fakes. they are always different tho so one some pairs its not an obvious tell.