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When you say fakes, you mean GM pairs or actual fake sneakers?
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When you say fakes, you mean GM pairs or actual fake sneakers?
I was referring to the authentic pairs nike releases with colorways fake website had back in the pastWhen you say fakes, you mean GM pairs or actual fake sneakers?
By grey market, do you mean pairs that are strictly made before the retail release date? A lot of those websites are selling pairs that are made after the RD, i.e. the Space Jams or XVIII's...^In regards to the space jams, I've never seen a pair. Space jams also came out in 2009. I think the grey market ship sailed on those.
In regards to ordering online, I wouldn't do that either.
I just saw an Hibbett employee wearing an extremely suspect pair of Space Jams. Of course I asked why they looked so new and had an icy blue sole and of course he gave a weak excuse
I always wondered if Hibbet carried those grey markets.
I have an update on the "Authentic Space Jams". I have been trying to source a pair from a few different spots. I email the people and they tell me that they have them in stock, then when I order them, I get an email in terrible English saying that they want me to pay with Western Union or Moneygram (not happening). Once I pay with credit card, they inform me that they don't have my size (half size), but have the next size up. I would have been screwed had I paid with WU or Moneygram. It has always been the case that poor quality fakes don't come in half sizes, so I am only going to be satisfied with a half size pair. So far, no luck. The charges to my card have been to a travel agency in China also. I would strongly advise other posters here to avoid these "grey market" or "authentic" kicks, even ones that have good reviews on Youtube. I have yet to find a legit source online that actually carries half sizes, even thought they are listed on the websites and they assure me that they have them in hand before I pay. Most of these websites look and run like a 1997 Geocities or Angelfire site. There is no inventory control and I am starting to wonder if they are just straight up credit card scam sites. Stick to NDC and Eastbay, Footlocker, etc. It really isn't worth the headache. If I do actually get my hands on a pair, I will still post comparison pics, but the future is looking bleak right now. I see quite a few credit card chargebacks coming up.
The line is blurred. Plenty of mom and pop stores use bigger Nike accounts, but their kicks are all real. Are those fake? You can't be absolutely positive unless you are dealing with Eastbay/ NDC or Footlocker, etc. When I am talking about "grey market", I mean the high priced "fakes" that are identical to official releases. They usually run retail or higher in price. When I say "fakes", I am referring to those warped sole/ spongebob/spiderman/ clear garbage materials shoes you get for $50 at the corner store or swap meet. You can never be sure unless you cop from a major official store on release day and get a receipt. Even then, if the grey markets are as great as they say they are, someone could have swapped out some officials for grey markets at a large retailer and you would never even know it.
I just saw an Hibbett employee wearing an extremely suspect pair of Space Jams. Of course I asked why they looked so new and had an icy blue sole and of course he gave a weak excuse
I always wondered if Hibbet carried those grey markets.
I have an update on the "Authentic Space Jams". I have been trying to source a pair from a few different spots. I email the people and they tell me that they have them in stock, then when I order them, I get an email in terrible English saying that they want me to pay with Western Union or Moneygram (not happening). Once I pay with credit card, they inform me that they don't have my size (half size), but have the next size up. I would have been screwed had I paid with WU or Moneygram. It has always been the case that poor quality fakes don't come in half sizes, so I am only going to be satisfied with a half size pair. So far, no luck. The charges to my card have been to a travel agency in China also. I would strongly advise other posters here to avoid these "grey market" or "authentic" kicks, even ones that have good reviews on Youtube. I have yet to find a legit source online that actually carries half sizes, even thought they are listed on the websites and they assure me that they have them in hand before I pay. Most of these websites look and run like a 1997 Geocities or Angelfire site. There is no inventory control and I am starting to wonder if they are just straight up credit card scam sites. Stick to NDC and Eastbay, Footlocker, etc. It really isn't worth the headache. If I do actually get my hands on a pair, I will still post comparison pics, but the future is looking bleak right now. I see quite a few credit card chargebacks coming up.
thats because the places you tried to order from are 100% fakes meaning fake carbon, fake leather, fake everything
why not try the regular China sites with those Space Jams to compare them?
Thanks for digging this up, I was looking for it off and on the past few days, but have been kind of busy and didn't remember the title. Regardless, there is lots of good stuff in that thread posted by some straight OG vets who know wtf they are talking about.http://niketalk.com/t/321285/early-jordan-release-info-its-time-everyone-knows
This is exactly what alot of us have been saying.
[color= rgb(255, 255, 255)]know[/color] they're B-Grades...Then Yes, it's a shady business practice to market them as A-Grades. However, I'm willing to bet that even if they admit to them being B-grades that people would still flock to their sites and buy them if it means having a chance and getting shoes months in advance. Also remember that they're a business. If Nike is truly in fact selling these guys B-Grades or Spare parts they still need to turn around and make a profit from what they're given. I guess you can say the same for Nike/JB itself. We buy shoes from Footlocker, Footaction, Champs all the time expecting high quality A-Grades and then we get home only to notice the Jumpman's right arm is half missing. How the hell does that happen? People tend to give up quality if the demand is high enough. We see it all the time on here. A "hot" B-Grade shoe gets released at Nike Outlets and people are freaking out in order to cop a pair...Even to a point where they'll buy from re-sellers for above retail price. I've seen it with countless shoes....DMP's, Cool Greys, Carmines, Hares, etc....And let's not forget about the Banned 1's.- WHAT IS ONE TO THINK OF THE GLARING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OFFICIAL RELEASED PAIRS AND THESE EARLY RELEASE FAKES?
What differences are we talking about and on what shoes specifically? If it's something as subtle as the elephant print being different boldness, let me remind you that the JB quality has always been random. I noticed this even when the 2001 III's came out. I've seen everything from upside down Jumpmans on VIII's to completely mis-stitched errors on other shoes. The whole "JOQDAN" XI's typo isn't enough to prove fake. Even OBVIOUS fakes can get the spelling correct...These were just mis-stitched. Perhaps Nike/JB knew this and marked them as "B-Grades" and sold to AR and SDS....
- RESTOCKS OF VERY POPULAR SHOES POPPING UP YEARS AFTER THE FACT. I.E. SPACE JAMS AND EVEN HAVE JAY FROM SDS ADMIT THEY WERE REMADE. MATTER OF FACT, DO YOU THINK REMADE SPACE JAMS OR REMADE SHOES YEARS LATER ARE FAKE? WHATEVER REMADE MEANS
If I'm to assume that Nike/JB has been selling these sites "B-Grades" I have to assume that they're also selling them scrap parts. If this is the case, then the shoes are still made from authentic materials...Just not created with Nike's consent. Again, at this point it's all assumption.
- THE NEW CROP OF PROMOS POPPING UP IN FULL SIZE RUNS?
I think this relates to the last question. Same thing here. Spare/Scrap parts being sold to guys like AR and SDS. If they were indeed totally fake, I think a cease and desist order would have been filed immediately and we would have known about it.
- WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THESE EARLY RELEASES BEING RESOLD ON NIKETALKS BUY/SELL FORUM AS WELL AS OTHER SNEAKERHEAD AVENUES AS A-GRADE STORE BOUGHT PAIRS? WOULD YOU BE HAPPY IF YOU PURCHASED A PAIR OFF HERE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU RECEIVED? CONSEQUENTLY, DO YOU PURCHASE FROM THESE SITES YOURSELF?
As with everything, I think until we know the absolute truth on these shoes, that people need to proceed with caution. as NY GIANTS 11 mentioned earlier, these types of shoes aren't the fakes were accustomed to seeing. They're not being released in wild unreleased colorways with Spongebob on the side. Nor are they some crazy Air Max-Force 1-Jordan hybrid. These are almost exact to whats being released. Somebody coined the phrase "Super Fakes" this past year, but again it's not something that can be spotted easily from even the most experienced sneakerhead. If they are indeed fake, there's gotta be something that distinguishes them from the real ones. The problem is that the quality has become so bad in the past decade that people have come to expect poor craftsmanship from Nike/JB products. It's sad to see that people would rather have an authentic, poorly made shoe rather than a well made "Superfake." Do your research. If you don't feel comfortable with buying shoes through our buy/sell forums, then you don't have to. Ask questions to the seller...Where did you buy these from originally? Are there any noticeable differences? As far as buying from these sites myself? I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've bought from early release type sites. And each time, I've also bought an extra pair when they were released in stores...And Each time, the shoes were the exact same. Maybe I missed something but I have yet to find any flaws. It wasn't until this whole concord fiasco that I actually started doubting them....Not enough for me to pick a side but enough for me to hold out from buying again.
- IF THESE ARE B-GRADES WHY ARE THEY ADVERTISED AS A-GRADES? SHADY, NO? THESE FAKES BEING ADVERTISED AS A-GRADES ALLOWS THEM TO CHARGE MORE THAN RETAIL BECAUSE WHO WOULD PAY MORE THAN RETAIL FOR A B-GRADE?
If sites like Air Randy and Slam Dunk Space
FAKES COME IN ALL VARIETIES FROM ONLY THE ONES YOU LISTED IN YOUR POST. WE WOULDN'T NEED A LEGIT CHECK FORUM IF ALL FAKES WERE LIKE THAT OTHERWISE THEY WOULD ALL BE EASILY SPOTTED.
I completely agree. But with all fakes, there's always something that distinguishes itself from a legit pair...This is assuming all legit pairs are consistently the same. I tell people in the legit checks forums all the time...we're not trying to distinguish real pairs from fakes, we're trying to distinguish FAKES from real pairs.
IMO, THOSE OTHER SITES WERE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PAY THEIR TITHES IF YOU GET WHAT I MEAN.
They also had OBVIOUS FAKES. AR and SDS don't. If they are in fact selling products out the back door, they're doing something right by Nike. This only adds to the theory that Nike is allowing them to buy B-Grades or Scraps from them.
I GUESS IT'S HARD TO PICTURE FOR PEOPLE IF YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY BOUGHT FROM THESE SITES BUT FOR ME AND MANY OTHER MEMBERS ON HERE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY HELD STORE BOUGHT AND EARLY RELEASE PAIRS SIDE BY SIDE, IT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS FOR ME THAT THEY WERE FUGAZZI.
What made them fake? As I mentioned before, I've bought shoes from early release sites before and never noticed any flaws. Maybe I got lucky and ended up with all legit pairs?
THEIR DOWNFALL WAS WHEN THEY DECIDED TO GET GREEDY WITH THE SPACE JAMS, PROMOS AND OF COURSE MANY SNEAKERHEADS #1 SHOE, CONCORDS. THEY BROUGHT TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES EVEN THOUGH ME AND A COUPLE OTHER MEMBERS HAVE BEEN SCREAMING FOUL FOR YEARS.
You're correct about this. Too many high in-demand shoes at once caused people to stop and look. I'll even admit this myself. It wasn't until this past year that I started doubting their legitimacy.
LET US NOT FORGET, A COUPLE OF THESE SITES HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUSTED IN THE PAST FOR SELLING UNDENIABLE FAKES (AIR RANDY AND THE 23'S ANYONE?)
True, but why is okay for them to sell shoes early now? If Randy was busted in the past, why has Nike allowed him to open up shop again? With a shoe such as the XX3's we all knew that was being held tightly under wraps. Jordan Brand had people fired over early pictures leaking. That shoe itself was supposed to be an end of an era type shoe and they didn't want ANYONE having it early. Maybe Randy jumped the gun a lil early and messed up by leaking them early? Was he given a cease and desist letter or simply "suspended" on Nike's terms?
Unless I missed it, you didn't bold anything.More:
Please keep reading the BOLD part over and over.
I always wondered if Hibbet carried those grey markets.
I'm pretty sure Hibbett is all legit, but this particular guy had on a band New pair of space jams with an icy blue sole
I have an update on the "Authentic Space Jams". I have been trying to source a pair from a few different spots. I email the people and they tell me that they have them in stock, then when I order them, I get an email in terrible English saying that they want me to pay with Western Union or Moneygram (not happening). Once I pay with credit card, they inform me that they don't have my size (half size), but have the next size up. I would have been screwed had I paid with WU or Moneygram. It has always been the case that poor quality fakes don't come in half sizes, so I am only going to be satisfied with a half size pair. So far, no luck. The charges to my card have been to a travel agency in China also. I would strongly advise other posters here to avoid these "grey market" or "authentic" kicks, even ones that have good reviews on Youtube. I have yet to find a legit source online that actually carries half sizes, even thought they are listed on the websites and they assure me that they have them in hand before I pay. Most of these websites look and run like a 1997 Geocities or Angelfire site. There is no inventory control and I am starting to wonder if they are just straight up credit card scam sites. Stick to NDC and Eastbay, Footlocker, etc. It really isn't worth the headache. If I do actually get my hands on a pair, I will still post comparison pics, but the future is looking bleak right now. I see quite a few credit card chargebacks coming up.
also exactly, i dont think any of these legit/reputable blogs would be using these pics and advertising these sites if they were selling fake items. you cant call the shoe fake if they are 100% identical. only problem is SOME of these pairs are terribly put together but the same can be said for retail pairs sold online/instore
is there any way to scan the barcode inside of shoes aside from taking it to the store?
is there any way to scan the barcode inside of shoes aside from taking it to the store?
Can't you use bar code scanner apps on iphones or android?
also exactly, i dont think any of these legit/reputable blogs would be using these pics and advertising these sites if they were selling fake items. you cant call the shoe fake if they are 100% identical. only problem is SOME of these pairs are terribly put together but the same can be said for retail pairs sold online/instore
Exactly. Hell. Some grades look better than the actual A grade. So why can't the grey market pairs? They do!