GOAT Talk

[Manny Fernandez718]

Hakeem Olajuwon on what separates Michael Jordan from LeBron James: "Jordan was a far more superior player in a very, very tough league"

Hakeem Olajuwon explained why the GOAT debate between MJ and LeBron isn't close.

sports.yahoo.com

Some people will say Akeem is biased since he came in the league with MJ.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

DCAllAfrican

"No brainer."

Interested in how others would feel about the biased opinion of Jerry West.

 

[ALNotSure]

It’s MJ.

Close the thread lol

 

[king j]

It’s MJ.

Close the thread lol

 

[king j]

 

[ALNotSure]

 

[ALNotSure]

Buddy forgot Lebronze Olympics era and his 4-6 Finals record with two asterisks.
2012 Strike shortened season
Covid Lame Mickey Mouse chip where various teams and players didn’t even play

 

[king j]

I love that Tim Duncan & A.I. get to escape blame for the Olympics where rookie LeBron barely played

Oh the bubble where only let the playoff & fringe playoff teams in and not the bottom feeder lottery teams that had nothing to play for

Do you give the Spurs an * for 99’?

4-6 finals record in a more talented & better league

 

[QU!K]

"No brainer."

Interested in how others would feel about the biased opinion of Jerry West.

Methodical Management

Why do my post keep getting deleted?

Am I not allowed to discuss NBA basketball here?

 

[tupac003]

It's always guys who look like this screaming with these stupid narratives...

 

[ALNotSure]

 

[king j]

 

[kdawg]

Truly the patron.

And still at it.

 

[Manny Fernandez718]

Real cute, but there’s a reason Russell and Bird get more love than Hondo

 

[jetpacksam]

From 1991 to 1998 the Chicago Bulls with MJ in uniform never lost 3 games in a row.
From 1991 to 1998 the Chicago Bulls with MJ in uniform: Went 25 - 1 in playoff series basketball.
MJ Never played a finals game 7

College National Champion - Game Winning Shot
College Player Of The Year
Wooden Award Winner
2-0 in the Olympics

MJ Never took his talents to another team.

Lebron James is a great basketball player, no sane, self respecting fan I've ever talked to
has said differently. He has a flaw in his game, it's the same flaw that every other player has.
None of them are Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

 

[rexanglorum]

My English teacher in 12th grade declared, authoritatively, that the top three English Language poets were:

1.) Chaucer
2.) Milton
3.) Shakespeare


I explained that Milton was just a system poet and playwright, oh you won all those chips after the deposition of Charles I? big whop! Milton is out there doing radical Protestantism stuff after all his rivals like Sir. Thomas Moore and Queen Mary and the Bonnie Prince Charles were all in street clothes and Cromwell was the freakin' commissioner? Give me a break!

Meanwhile, Chaucer was writing against walkers and masons and tanners. I don't care if he was the first that doesn't mean you're the best! (Flat handed slap on table)

The GOAT, is the Bard himself. All time. Never ever had a play that wasn't sold-out. Kids today are still trying to copy his 8th through 13th Sonnets. He won in an era with incredible rivals and yet he he always pulled it out at the end, none of that deus es machina chokin' like all you'll's losers and chokers on that list!



And then everyone clapped.

 

[jetpacksam]

Wrong topic

 

[Mark Antony]

Damn. Now make a goatsterdam for the world.

 

[ALNotSure]

Both better than Lebron

 

[ALNotSure]

 

[king j]

Both better than Lebron

Curious,where do you rank LeBron all-time?

 

[rexanglorum]

In all seriousness, a GOAT convo has to have a set of rules.

The easiest tool to use is peak value vs career value and then you average out the two.

When it comes to peak value, MJ from 1988 to 1998, takes the cake. When it comes to career value, it's LeBron vs. Kareem.

It's a big question of whose best was the best, and IMO MJ fits that criteria. If we want to look at career body of work, then it's Bron or Kareem.

So right there, there's a degree of subjectivity which makes the whole GOAT discussion meaningless.


And IMO, the biggest reasons why GOAT debates are futile is because different styles of play and off the court sports medicine vary so wildly. If Larry Bird had today's technology and Len Bias didn't die from a Coke overdose, the Celtics could have won a few EFCs in the 90's and MJ's career would have been more like Kobe's or Lebron. If Shaq had trained as zealously as MJ, or hell, his role player teammates like Derek Fisher, we wouldn't even be having this debate.

Every one from Mikan to Wembanyama, was a great athlete and ultimately the GOAT question is unanswerable (and my and some of my close friends, over much beer and pizza, tried to build the ultimate econometric model and it still was inconclusive).

It felt like this...

'According to the Gas Chromatograph the Secret Ingredient to a Flaming Moe is... LOVE?...' | The Simpsons Clip

Watch the clip 'According to the Gas Chromatograph the Secret Ingredient to a Flaming Moe is... LOVE?...' from the movie The Simpsons on Clip.Cafe. Professor Frink: According to the Gas Chromatograph the Secret Ingredient to a Flaming Moe is... LOVE? Who's been screwing with this thing!

clip.cafe

So I guess it's Kevin Love. Sorry folks, the science is unimpeachable.

 

[ALNotSure]

In all seriousness, a GOAT convo has to have a set of rules.

The easiest tool to use is peak value vs career value and then you average out the two.

When it comes to peak value, MJ from 1988 to 1998, takes the cake. When it comes to career value, it's LeBron vs. Kareem.

It's a big question of whose best was the best, and IMO MJ fits that criteria. If we want to look at career body of work, then it's Bron or Kareem.

So right there, there's a degree of subjectivity which makes the whole GOAT discussion meaningless.


And IMO, the biggest reasons why GOAT debates are futile is because different styles of play and off the court sports medicine vary so wildly. If Larry Bird had today's technology and Len Bias didn't die from a Coke overdose, the Celtics could have won a few EFCs in the 90's and MJ's career would have been more like Kobe's or Lebron. If Shaq had trained as zealously as MJ, or hell, his role player teammates like Derek Fisher, we wouldn't even be having this debate.

Every one from Mikan to Wembanyama, was a great athlete and ultimately the GOAT question is unanswerable (and my and some of my close friends, over much beer and pizza, tried to build the ultimate econometric model and it still was inconclusive).

It felt like this...

'According to the Gas Chromatograph the Secret Ingredient to a Flaming Moe is... LOVE?...' | The Simpsons Clip

Watch the clip 'According to the Gas Chromatograph the Secret Ingredient to a Flaming Moe is... LOVE?...' from the movie The Simpsons on Clip.Cafe. Professor Frink: According to the Gas Chromatograph the Secret Ingredient to a Flaming Moe is... LOVE? Who's been screwing with this thing!

clip.cafe

So I guess it's Kevin Love. Sorry folks, the science is unimpeachable.

Cliff notes- MJ is the GOAT

 

[ALNotSure]

Curious,where do you rank LeBron all-time?

I’m not sure anymore. I used to rank him higher but today I feel he might in the late top ten or 10-15 range.

 

[king j]

I’m not sure anymore. I used to rank him higher but today I feel he might in the late top ten or 10-15 range.

10-15 I know you don’t like that man but come on