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This is crazy.. what if a black guy wrote the reversal?
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You all are using it to mask your lack of an actual point or solution to this problem.
what you dont understand is, we're giving an opinion on his opinion peice...
nobody needs to come up with better solutions dude
you're morphing our argument into one that we're not making
nobody said "focus on reading" is a bad idea or bad advice
"focus on reading" is laughable, ignorant advice given by someone who doesnt fully understand what "focus on reading" TRUELY means for the population in which he's "educating"
again
how can a man teach poor black kids how to successfully escape the ills of the ghetto......and he's completely oblivious to what a "ghetto" actually is? he doesnt even know what it REALLY means to be a "poor black kid".......
how can you not see the ridiculous nature of such things?
this is just as bad as religious logic and reason
you seem to give his ignorance and utter cluelessness a pass because HE ADMITS IT
"i dont know much about the bible, but, if you're just really nice to people jesus will save your soul"
"i dont know much about the hood, but if you read alot youll make it out"
and my actual problem with the article is the tone that continues
"and if you dont try hard and make it out from a 10x deficit, you're lazy and subhuman and deserve to be where you're at"
"i know you have to work 20 times harder than my child just to be average in this society, HOWEVER, if you dont do it, dont cry to me about being automatically 20 times behind us.....dont even mention it to us when we pretend to act like it doesnt exist......you deserve to be 20 times behind us if you arent willing to try really hard and hope your .00002 % chance magically works out"
thats basically what i read when i read his article.
Originally Posted by Method Man
Since my last replies are too long for most, let me put it another way:
This is like a 23 year-old accounting major popping in to CERN after reading an article about their struggle to identify the Higgs boson particle and saying,
"Say, fellas, have you tried plugging it in? That's how I fixed my Blu Ray player."
Originally Posted by leopardbrain
Who have you made these suggestions to? Who do I need to pass these ideas to?
So nobody who isn't a poor minority is considered credible for helping poor minorities not stay poor minorities?
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I think we found the real problem.
I know this girl that had straight A's during high school but scored less than 1400 on the current SAT. Inner city schools are a joke.Originally Posted by solegit08til
The education is good enough to get you out of the hood. If the teachers are so bad, it should be easy to get an A then right?Originally Posted by ThorrocksJs
I think he has some truth but if he thinks that the average person in the hood even has a remotely good education or even decent teachers then he is truly ignorant.Alot of teachers have wrote of black males in their classes long before they start.Classes are overpacked underfunded,books damaged or not enough.Kids coming to school without meals .Dangerous enviroments.Anti intellectual kids and adults in their neighborhood.Violence surrounding them. Teachers who really don't care and dont even teach since they have given up on the kids.Its hard to access and know about these sites from teachers when they don't care.Like its easy to write that from a place of privelege saying hey buddy here are some things you can do to be successful nevermind the fact your class room computers are terrible and outdated.You don't receive much funding since the majority of your class files for free lunch so you don't have any after school programs beyond sports.You should try to transfer out to another school too they are free but at the same time they take away funding from your school.
Vision me a "poor black kid" who has just seen the light and wishes to spread it among my poor surroundings. You're just going to tell me to kick rocks? I see everyone solving this crisis from the outside but no one is doing anything from the inside. Of course I could help myself and those around me by first getting myself together but in the meantime I have to stay quite?Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm
Originally Posted by leopardbrain
Who have you made these suggestions to? Who do I need to pass these ideas to?
sorry, this kind of sarcasm just makes you look even dumber
i work directly with kids and do it on my own already.
thanks tho
Tameka and Jamal need better environments to better them and their classmates.
no, man, they just need these books that appear out of thin air to read, then crackheads wont be outside when they walk home, because they'll have an on-grade reading level and can escape the hood as a 7 year old
"you have good ideas, ideas which include a perspective on the population you're giving advice to. these are real world solutions that will actually benefit the children BETTER than the article.....................but it doesnt help tyrone TONITE"
like i said ESL programs are already operating
its as simple as a form to fill out.
it works with mexicans and somalians who dont even speak english
why wont it help black kids read and write better as well?
do you not see that mexican students get 10 times the resources as black students?
then people turn around and say "i know mexicans who come here with nothing and succeed"
HE HAS 5 FULL TIME STAFFERS STANDING OVER HIM THE ENTIRE TIME HE GOES TO SCHOOL
IF HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND, ITS NOT BECAUSE HE LACKS INTELLIGENCE, HE JUST DOESNT KNOW ENGLISH
LET THIS NICE LADY EXPLAIN IT TO HIM FOR 20 ADDITIONAL MINUTES IN SPANISH
ive turned kids around from habitual problems dealth with by suspending them into the star student in class.
i certainly didnt tell the kid to "focus on trying harder"
i gave her real advice because i understood her situation.
again, for a 10th time
you havent responded to
how can someone offer advice on how to successfully navigate a situation he is COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to?
its not even like hes not an authority...he literally knows NOTHING
yes, he says its a "tough neighborhood" but does he really and truely understand what "rough" means?
my guess, from the tone of authority, he has no idea....not even a tiny bit
i dont even think he researched the hood 3rd person, i.e. asking someone else
didnt even matter that much to him
LMAO
hes so concerned about helping the poor black kid
that he didnt see the utility of MEETING one before telling them how to escape their reality.....a reality he cant even fathom
please address that or this back and forth is over.
(also, notice, i didnt criticize him for being white once, so when your response includes me saying hes wrong cause he's white, you're wasting our time here)
Originally Posted by leopardbrain
Vision me a "poor black kid" who has just seen the light and wishes to spread it among my poor surroundings. You're just going to tell me to kick rocks? I see everyone solving this crisis from the outside but no one is doing anything from the inside. Of course I could help myself and those around me by first getting myself together but in the meantime I have to stay quite?Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm
Originally Posted by leopardbrain
Who have you made these suggestions to? Who do I need to pass these ideas to?
sorry, this kind of sarcasm just makes you look even dumber
i work directly with kids and do it on my own already.
thanks tho
You want to talk about realistic solutions? The audacity of this guy right here...Originally Posted by ThorrocksJs
Putty the main problem here is that all these quick solutions are not very realistic.Kids who barely are at a fourth grade reading level and math level can't possible benefit from online caculators and cliff notes. The major problem is environment and the child situation. That has to be addressed first education reform comes after social reform.Tameka and Jamal need better environments to better them and their classmates. One successful kid out of 400 is failure the reform and aid has to benefit the whole not the individual
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2011...tunde-thurston-responds-to-forbes-gene-marks/Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm
nah, post it finns
Dear Mr. Gene Marks,
I am a poor black kid. I don't have great parental or educational resources. I'm not as smart as your kids. These are facts. In 2011.
The one smart thing I do everyday is read Forbes. It's what all us poor black kids do. Forbes is constantly reporting on issues of relevance to me and my community. This week, I found your article "If I Were A Poor Black Kid" printed out and slid under my door like all Forbes articles.
Thank you Mr. Marks. You have changed everything about my life. Thanks to your article, I worked to make sure I got the best grades, made reading my number one priority and created better paths for myself. If only someone had suggested this earlier.
I did not stop there. I became an expert at the CIA World Factbook, started usingEvernote and made it my goal to get into one of those private schools you wrote about. Before your article, I never wanted anything more for myself. I used Google (thanks for the tip!), found the names and addresses of the school admissions officers, and showed up outside of their homes. It's like they were waiting for me. They smiled, waved and immediately told me about their secret scholarship programs.
Private school was exactly like you said it would be. I went straight to the guidance counselor, and I said, "You know everything there is to know about financial aid, grants, minority programs and the like."
And she said, "I sure do! And even though I don't know your name, I'm going to help you get summer employment at a law firm or a business owned by the 1% where you could meet people and show off your stuff." I love showing off my stuff, sir. You have no idea.
Originally Posted by finnns2003
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2011...tunde-thurston-responds-to-forbes-gene-marks/Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm
nah, post it finns
Originally Posted by Noskey
Originally Posted by finnns2003
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2011...tunde-thurston-responds-to-forbes-gene-marks/Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm
nah, post it finns
Good stuff
You read the article by Toure (linked in the CNN post) yet? He's not as tongue-in-cheek, taking a more direct approach. I liked his article a little more, tbh.
If he didn't do that, there'd be nothing left to argue about and he'd have nothing to get off on.what you dont understand is, we're giving an opinion on his opinion peice...
nobody needs to come up with better solutions dude
you're morphing our argument into one that we're not making
In 11 pages, Curb was the ONLY one to list a solution outside of this article. That was the ONLY piece of advice to come out of this whole discussion.
You all are posers. Through and through.
Complaining is as far as the road goes for you all.
Listing problems is closest ANY of you all get to making any change.