Fluoride in water, and how to decalcify and healthify your body Vol. As told by my future ex-wife

[futuremd]

So what water is safe to drink? I'm reading this stuff about how distiller water can kill people because it's stripped of minerals and will absorb the ones from the body.

My Anti-fluoridation filter, yes it works, was only $240.

I try to tell you guys about it every chance I get.


https://propurusa.com/

Can you measure how much fluoride it removes?

 

[rashi]

Source?

He's probably referring to the Kingston, NY and Newburgh, NY study that was conducted over a 50 year period that ended in 1998.

 

[Gill Baka Esq. LLC.]

the info about distilled water leeching nutrients from your body is true....it's distilled through ionization which swaps ions when it enters your body or something or other.


When I was feeding my plants distilled water I noticed it was leeching the nitrogen and potassium level rapidly when I started getting yellowing leaves.


And plants chlorophyl and human dna are very similar so I don't doubt that it would have the same effect on humans.


And who in this day and age is still trying to convince sillyputty of anything?

See this doesn't make sense.

Distilled water isn't distilled through ionization. Distillation doesn't have anything to do with deionizaton. Its two completely different processes. You're just throwing terms out there that you don't understand completely.

If you've taken something like organic chemistry you know what distillation is. All you're doing is separating mixtures based on their volatilities. 

Deionization is different because it only removes entities with charges through a process usually thats a variant of electrolysis or uses ionic resins so its cheaper than distilled water. It often leaves behind organic compounds, viruses, and other matter.

On top of that, there are no studies or evidence that shows distilled water "leeches" materials. Plus since its distilled even if this claim was true, based on how osmosis works, it would go INTO the body, not out of the body. If there was more concentrated matter on the other side of a semipermeable membrane, then this distilled water would diffuse across it to reach tonic equilibrium. 

The US Navy also uses distilled water on their ships. I'm going to have to trust that they want to use whats best.

Deionized water? Now we're talking. That stuff could hurt you...but only if you drink TONS of it. I mean ungodly amounts while not eating food. That DEFINITELY sucks water out of you based on osmosis. There isn't a mineral/substrate/etc. that you can't get out of water that isn't already in food. DIWater also tastes nasty because there aren't those same impurities that give it the taste that we love, nor are there any ions in it like chlorine to kill common bacterial growth. Thats why DI Water is cheaper than distilled, FYI. I say all of that to say that the effects are REALLY minimal because at no point is the water SUPER pure even within the GI tract to cause that sort of sucking notion that gets brought up to that extent. The balance is never THAT out of wack. 

Distilled water still has ions in it, however. Water doesn't always exist as H2O. Even at ph=7, its rapidity going back and forth between OH- and H30+ ions, and the body's pH level isn't at 7, its more like 7.4.  

Distilled is better than DI water for human consumption. Its not like you're a machine or pipe or car battery that needs to prevent build up or corrosion.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00223.htm

I think I should have said purified water instead of distilled. Some people have stuff to do during the day so I can't really write a response to ugly. You should get a job.

 

[futuremd]

the info about distilled water leeching nutrients from your body is true....it's distilled through ionization which swaps ions when it enters your body or something or other.


When I was feeding my plants distilled water I noticed it was leeching the nitrogen and potassium level rapidly when I started getting yellowing leaves.


And plants chlorophyl and human dna are very similar so I don't doubt that it would have the same effect on humans.


And who in this day and age is still trying to convince sillyputty of anything?

See this doesn't make sense.

Distilled water isn't distilled through ionization. Distillation doesn't have anything to do with deionizaton. Its two completely different processes. You're just throwing terms out there that you don't understand completely.

If you've taken something like organic chemistry you know what distillation is. All you're doing is separating mixtures based on their volatilities. 

Deionization is different because it only removes entities with charges through a process usually thats a variant of electrolysis or uses ionic resins so its cheaper than distilled water. It often leaves behind organic compounds, viruses, and other matter.

On top of that, there are no studies or evidence that shows distilled water "leeches" materials. Plus since its distilled even if this claim was true, based on how osmosis works, it would go INTO the body, not out of the body. If there was more concentrated matter on the other side of a semipermeable membrane, then this distilled water would diffuse across it to reach tonic equilibrium. 

The US Navy also uses distilled water on their ships. I'm going to have to trust that they want to use whats best.

Deionized water? Now we're talking. That stuff could hurt you...but only if you drink TONS of it. I mean ungodly amounts while not eating food. That DEFINITELY sucks water out of you based on osmosis. There isn't a mineral/substrate/etc. that you can't get out of water that isn't already in food. DIWater also tastes nasty because there aren't those same impurities that give it the taste that we love, nor are there any ions in it like chlorine to kill common bacterial growth. Thats why DI Water is cheaper than distilled, FYI. I say all of that to say that the effects are REALLY minimal because at no point is the water SUPER pure even within the GI tract to cause that sort of sucking notion that gets brought up to that extent. The balance is never THAT out of wack. 

Distilled water still has ions in it, however. Water doesn't always exist as H2O. Even at ph=7, its rapidity going back and forth between OH- and H30+ ions, and the body's pH level isn't at 7, its more like 7.4.  

Distilled is better than DI water for human consumption. Its not like you're a machine or pipe or car battery that needs to prevent build up or corrosion.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00223.htm

I think I should have said purified water instead of distilled. Some people have stuff to do during the day so I can't really write a response to ugly. You should get a job.

Distilled water IS purified Water gets purified through other methods: Filtration, distillation, deionization, etc. 

(oh and thanks for the incorrect assumption at the end there. You can't get mad at a thorough response then try to pass it off with some sort of immature comment)

 

[futuremd]

so BRITA filters dont work?

No. They don't.

But honestly, I wonder how these fluoride removing filters work either.

I looked at the one Pig Love suggested and its pushed by his favorite source of information, InfoWars, so I'm a bit skeptical on that front.

Does it remove fluoride compounds that are introduced to the water like NaF? Is it just the ions? How does it work? And since its a filter, how does it do that without any electricity? Does it use a deionization resin? Magnetic ion-exchange? Activated charcoal (which according to THIS doesn't remove fluorine but rather heavy metals)? Doesnt water coming into contact with aluminum (such as those containers) bind fluoride?

ALSO, why are some of these filters (Berkley filters) banned in states like California? There were tests done that show that they weren't filtering the stuff they said they were and they also contained excessive/prohibited levels of lead.

I see that Activated alumina DOES work though. 

Unless some can point me to where I made a mistake or something I'm not getting here, but I don't know how simple gravity filtration removes fluoride. 

 

[filthyrich]

theres fluoride in the water but nobody know that
its also a prominent ingredient in prozac - paz knows

 

[Gill Baka Esq. LLC.]

the info about distilled water leeching nutrients from your body is true....it's distilled through ionization which swaps ions when it enters your body or something or other.



When I was feeding my plants distilled water I noticed it was leeching the nitrogen and potassium level rapidly when I started getting yellowing leaves.



And plants chlorophyl and human dna are very similar so I don't doubt that it would have the same effect on humans.



And who in this day and age is still trying to convince sillyputty of anything?

See this doesn't make sense.


Distilled water isn't distilled through ionization. Distillation doesn't have anything to do with deionizaton. Its two completely different processes. You're just throwing terms out there that you don't understand completely.


If you've taken something like organic chemistry you know what distillation is. All you're doing is separating mixtures based on their volatilities. 


Deionization is different because it only removes entities with charges through a process usually thats a variant of electrolysis or uses ionic resins so its cheaper than distilled water. It often leaves behind organic compounds, viruses, and other matter.


On top of that, there are no studies or evidence that shows distilled water "leeches" materials. Plus since its distilled even if this claim was true, based on how osmosis works, it would go INTO the body, not out of the body. If there was more concentrated matter on the other side of a semipermeable membrane, then this distilled water would diffuse across it to reach tonic equilibrium. 


The US Navy also uses distilled water on their ships. I'm going to have to trust that they want to use whats best.


Deionized water? Now we're talking. That stuff could hurt you...but only if you drink TONS of it. I mean ungodly amounts while not eating food. That DEFINITELY sucks water out of you based on osmosis. There isn't a mineral/substrate/etc. that you can't get out of water that isn't already in food. DIWater also tastes nasty because there aren't those same impurities that give it the taste that we love, nor are there any ions in it like chlorine to kill common bacterial growth. Thats why DI Water is cheaper than distilled, FYI. I say all of that to say that the effects are REALLY minimal because at no point is the water SUPER pure even within the GI tract to cause that sort of sucking notion that gets brought up to that extent. The balance is never THAT out of wack. 


Distilled water still has ions in it, however. Water doesn't always exist as H2O. Even at ph=7, its rapidity going back and forth between OH- and H30+ ions, and the body's pH level isn't at 7, its more like 7.4.  


Distilled is better than DI water for human consumption. Its not like you're a machine or pipe or car battery that needs to prevent build up or corrosion.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00223.htm

I think I should have said purified water instead of distilled. Some people have stuff to do during the day so I can't really write a response to ugly. You should get a job.

Distilled water IS purified Water gets purified through other methods: Filtration, distillation, deionization, etc. 

(oh and thanks for the incorrect assumption at the end there. You can't get mad at a thorough response then try to pass it off with some sort of immature comment)

your making it seem like distilled and purified are one and the same...why then would some bottles be marked purified while other distilled?

when you have ionization treated water (purified) it makes it laboratory grade or something like that....distilled water actually pulls electrolytes, magnesium, copper and other minerals from your body. People use it to get rid of toxic substances in the body.

And about the comments I make....I make them to make them, that's all you need to be concerned with.

 

[dt43]

I normally feel the same way, but this time I actually bothered to click through a few links, and I'm watching that doc now. I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason to continue consuming fluoride IMO.

The most telling thing I found was that fluoridation is actually banned in the majority of countries in the world. If almost every country who takes an honest assessment of it is coming to the conclusion that it's pointless or potentially harmful, this should tell you something. Sounds to me like this is the classic case of the US government being slow to progress and holding on to antiquated practices.

Lulz just like with universal health care

I wouldn't even compare it to that, because it's actually possible to construct an argument against universal health care. From what I've been reading, fluoridation has no evidence to back it up whatsoever.

American Dental Association confirms dangers of fluoride
http://www.naturalnews.com/030123_fluoride_babies.html


/fluoride

Well the ADA is aware of dangers of fluoride in the sense that too much of anything, like vitamins, can be bad for you.

They have their reasons for pursuing it however and I think you're being a little disingenuous by saying it has no evidence to back up the reasoning behind its use.

From what I understand, the studies that students and professionals get exposed to show that fluoride strengthens tooth enamel due to processes as a result of tooth decay. 

Also, I don't want to issue a blanket statement, but NaturalNews is a poor source of information on a lot of health topics because they outright lie, or don't have an understanding behind many of their claims. I understand the desire to be healthy and an aware consumer, but Natural News is privy to a lot of confirmation bias and often misrepresents information. 

Not saying they have 0 evidence, but from what I've seen all recent evidence is overwhelmingly not in their favor. I saw a link to like 100 recent studies proving that fluoride had either a neutral or harmful effect on dental health. For some reason, a handful of studies funded by the US government keep showing that fluoride is beneficial, while all the studies done by researchers in other companies are finding the completely opposite.. hmmm

This whole fluoridization thing started 50 years ago and I feel like at this point the surgeon general and every one invested in it just don't want to admit that they were wrong.


Not really aware of NaturalNews before seeing that link. I'd be surprised if they straight up lied about an ADA study like that though.

 

[futuremd]

the info about distilled water leeching nutrients from your body is true....it's distilled through ionization which swaps ions when it enters your body or something or other.



When I was feeding my plants distilled water I noticed it was leeching the nitrogen and potassium level rapidly when I started getting yellowing leaves.



And plants chlorophyl and human dna are very similar so I don't doubt that it would have the same effect on humans.



And who in this day and age is still trying to convince sillyputty of anything?

See this doesn't make sense.


Distilled water isn't distilled through ionization. Distillation doesn't have anything to do with deionizaton. Its two completely different processes. You're just throwing terms out there that you don't understand completely.


If you've taken something like organic chemistry you know what distillation is. All you're doing is separating mixtures based on their volatilities. 


Deionization is different because it only removes entities with charges through a process usually thats a variant of electrolysis or uses ionic resins so its cheaper than distilled water. It often leaves behind organic compounds, viruses, and other matter.


On top of that, there are no studies or evidence that shows distilled water "leeches" materials. Plus since its distilled even if this claim was true, based on how osmosis works, it would go INTO the body, not out of the body. If there was more concentrated matter on the other side of a semipermeable membrane, then this distilled water would diffuse across it to reach tonic equilibrium. 


The US Navy also uses distilled water on their ships. I'm going to have to trust that they want to use whats best.


Deionized water? Now we're talking. That stuff could hurt you...but only if you drink TONS of it. I mean ungodly amounts while not eating food. That DEFINITELY sucks water out of you based on osmosis. There isn't a mineral/substrate/etc. that you can't get out of water that isn't already in food. DIWater also tastes nasty because there aren't those same impurities that give it the taste that we love, nor are there any ions in it like chlorine to kill common bacterial growth. Thats why DI Water is cheaper than distilled, FYI. I say all of that to say that the effects are REALLY minimal because at no point is the water SUPER pure even within the GI tract to cause that sort of sucking notion that gets brought up to that extent. The balance is never THAT out of wack. 


Distilled water still has ions in it, however. Water doesn't always exist as H2O. Even at ph=7, its rapidity going back and forth between OH- and H30+ ions, and the body's pH level isn't at 7, its more like 7.4.  


Distilled is better than DI water for human consumption. Its not like you're a machine or pipe or car battery that needs to prevent build up or corrosion.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00223.htm

I think I should have said purified water instead of distilled. Some people have stuff to do during the day so I can't really write a response to ugly. You should get a job.

Distilled water IS purified Water gets purified through other methods: Filtration, distillation, deionization, etc. 

(oh and thanks for the incorrect assumption at the end there. You can't get mad at a thorough response then try to pass it off with some sort of immature comment)

your making it seem like distilled and purified are one and the same...why then would some bottles be marked purified while other distilled?

Purification is the grand umbrella of "refinement"

Distillation is one method.

Long story short, if you mix liquids of different composition and boil them, you can collect the condensation in fractional reserves. If you know when water boils as opposed to XYZ, then you can heat it up and collect the water that boils off at a particular stage. 

when you have ionization treated water (purified) it makes it laboratory grade or something like that....distilled water actually pulls electrolytes, magnesium, copper and other minerals from your body. People use it to get rid of toxic substances in the body.

Again, deionized water is a TYPE of purification.

I'm going to need to see something that shows that it "pulls this stuff" from you because water itself helps to filter out and regulate the homeostatic processes of the body. If you're not drinking water, you'll start to pee out a lot of concentrated urine...so yes, its good to stay hydrated. 

BUT, the tonicity (concentration) of distilled water still has essential ions dissolved in it that partially help with the characteristic taste for example, which is why it tastes WAY better than deionized water (and I'm not a supertaster like that), and doesn't contribute to osmosis as much as you'd expect. They're more equal in tonicity than you'd expect. They're not THAT out of wack. Deionized water might cause problems, as I mentioned above, but you'd have to drink JESUS-LOAD amounts of water.

Magnesium? Copper? Electrolytes? All ions. If you have deionized water, then yeah osmosis is going to affect that...BUT not that much. 

Essentially you'd have to consume so much of it (and not eat any food), that you'd probably die of water poisoning than you would from having all your essential ions being sucked out. 

And about the comments I make....I make them to make them, that's all you need to be concerned with.

...What? 

 

[futuremd]

I normally feel the same way, but this time I actually bothered to click through a few links, and I'm watching that doc now. I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason to continue consuming fluoride IMO.

The most telling thing I found was that fluoridation is actually banned in the majority of countries in the world. If almost every country who takes an honest assessment of it is coming to the conclusion that it's pointless or potentially harmful, this should tell you something. Sounds to me like this is the classic case of the US government being slow to progress and holding on to antiquated practices.

Lulz just like with universal health care

I wouldn't even compare it to that, because it's actually possible to construct an argument against universal health care. From what I've been reading, fluoridation has no evidence to back it up whatsoever.

American Dental Association confirms dangers of fluoride
http://www.naturalnews.com/030123_fluoride_babies.html


/fluoride

Well the ADA is aware of dangers of fluoride in the sense that too much of anything, like vitamins, can be bad for you.

They have their reasons for pursuing it however and I think you're being a little disingenuous by saying it has no evidence to back up the reasoning behind its use.

From what I understand, the studies that students and professionals get exposed to show that fluoride strengthens tooth enamel due to processes as a result of tooth decay. 

Also, I don't want to issue a blanket statement, but NaturalNews is a poor source of information on a lot of health topics because they outright lie, or don't have an understanding behind many of their claims. I understand the desire to be healthy and an aware consumer, but Natural News is privy to a lot of confirmation bias and often misrepresents information. 

Not saying they have 0 evidence, but from what I've seen all recent evidence is overwhelmingly not in their favor. I saw a link to like 100 recent studies proving that fluoride had either a neutral or harmful effect on dental health. For some reason, a handful of studies funded by the US government keep showing that fluoride is beneficial, while all the studies done by researchers in other companies are finding the completely opposite.. hmmm

This whole fluoridization thing started 50 years ago and I feel like at this point the surgeon general and every one invested in it just don't want to admit that they were wrong.

I think this is also plausible. Its not unusual that people love to cover their ***** when stuff is on the line. 

I try to see it from both sides and apparently, the admit that fluorosis can occur if you live in an area already prone to places already have high amounts of fluoride in the groundwater. On top of that, many fluoride treatment mechanism don't only ADD it, but they REMOVE it as well. Theres a level to maintain in municipal water and thats more tightly regulated than bottled water under loose FDA regulations. 

From what I understand, a lot of the anti-fluoride commentary started with this naturopathic dude who said it causes cancer, but died of an easily treatable cancer a few decades later. 

Not really aware of NaturalNews before seeing that link. I'd be surprised if they straight up lied about an ADA study like that though.

Yeah...Natural News has TONS of misinformation on a lot of things.

They have good intentions, but they are prone to a lot of unsubstantiated and flawed opinions on things. They're prone to excitability and speculation.

 

[freakydestroyer]

Just found this video. Was wondering if anyone actually tried any of these filters or devices.

 

[nazdrowie]

im interested in trying a filter just to see...

...i cant in good conscious drink bottled water though