lordofcastamere
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Feminists, what is your opinion of them.
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I think the extreme feminists (some call them feminazis) are much more vocal and loud than more moderate feminists. I have no problem whatsoever with the movement, but many take it WAY too far. Women should get equal pay for same work as men etc. that's not even debatable. I've had conversations with some girls in school and seen posts by some of them that legitimately leave me confused and in disarray. One girl I know linked an article that prompted an argument between her and her friends and a bunch of my friends
I wish I could find it, but it was saying basically that men shouldn't approach women or compliment them bc it assumes that the woman wants to hear a man's opinion if she looks nice or approach women outside....in every day life POLITELY like "you look very nice/beautiful today" type of stuff, literally the most polite comments that generally would brighten up anyone's day and these women were complaining about it . had me and my boys like
I'm gonna try and track it down once I get home and post it in here cuz my friends and I were discussing how crazy it was for a couple hours then we got into it with some of the girls we know who were holding by it....mind you some of these girls will be in the club hands down with a dude they don't even know on the wall going in...so yeah wasn't trying to hear it from a few
I honestly believe that the majority of the feminists ive been exposed to fit this description. I don't doubt there are "level headed" women who identify with feminism who don't take things that far. Just wish they had the louder voice.
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The idea that women earn less than men is misleading. See:
http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-earnings-gap
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I think the extreme feminists (some call them feminazis
I'm gonna try and track it down once I get home and post it in here cuz my friends and I were discussing how crazy it was for a couple hours then we got into it with some of the girls we know who were holding by it....mind you some of these girls will be in the club hands down with a dude they don't even know on the wall going in...so yeah wasn't trying to hear it from a few
I honestly believe that the majority of the feminists ive been exposed to fit this description. I don't doubt there are "level headed" women who identify with feminism who don't take things that far. Just wish they had the louder voice.
Definitely, I have only met 2 people who are legitametly level headed and not borderline hyper militant
...I found the post I was talking about too that led to an argument: http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutere...that-random-girl-on-the-street-that-shes-hot/
This logic blew my friggin mind. smh
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Who doesn't like a good mass bra burning? 
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That's your response?
You and every other dude in here bashing feminists are the ones that seem to be "getting defensive"...
And you're saying that you've read books by the three authors I mentioned and your stance remains...
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But did you answer my question?
1. You didn't pose a question.
2. If you've read books by the authors I mentioned as you claim you have and still need an example of well-articulated feminist, womanist, or critical thought, then... (a) you didn't actually read the books, (b) you read them in such a defensive way so as to preclude critically considering the material, (c) you could not comprehend the material, or (d) you're simply in denial...
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Give us your best example.1. You didn't pose a question.But did you answer my question?That's your response?
You and every other dude in here bashing feminists are the ones that seem to be "getting defensive"...
And you're saying that you've read books by the three authors I mentioned and your stance remains...
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2. If you've read books by the authors I mentioned as you claim you have and still need an example of well-articulated feminist, womanist, or critical thought, then... (a) you didn't actually read the books, (b) you read them in such a defensive way so as to preclude critically considering the material, (c) you could not comprehend the material, or (d) you're simply in denial...
celticsfan9783
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Any person with critical thinking skills can easily deconstruct that entire "infographic"...
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Give us your best example.
That's your response?
You and every other dude in here bashing feminists are the ones that seem to be "getting defensive"...
And you're saying that you've read books by the three authors I mentioned and your stance remains...
?
But did you answer my question?
1. You didn't pose a question.
2. If you've read books by the authors I mentioned as you claim you have and still need an example of well-articulated feminist, womanist, or critical thought, then... (a) you didn't actually read the books, (b) you read them in such a defensive way so as to preclude critically considering the material, (c) you could not comprehend the material, or (d) you're simply in denial...
My best example of what?
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Feel free to do it.
And to answer your other question: the most compelling argument in said book(s). I'm willing to be convinced.
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SHOW ME A FEMINIST THAT DOESN'T OFFEND ME!!
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white knight. lend me your sword. it's the same running joke over and over. There are tons of foolish, annoying, does nothing but ***** about life over and over, anti-male, ball chopping feminists. and everyone rides with them until the moment they go a little too far over the line and then it becomes "that's not what real feminism is about" straight jokes.
feminism shouldn't even be a thing. like i said equal rights and privlege for all but if you're not a white male thats a battle you'll be fighting for life.
the social rules of life are only a problem when they don't like it or it doesn't work to their benefit.
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A few hang ups I have with feminism
- On equal pay: Women want to be compensated equally, but the employer is also left on the hook for maternity benefits that men have no access to. Not to mention often calling on a stronger man to perform difficult physical tasks that are a part of their assigned duties.
- On birth control: Woman want to have the sole right to decide on abortions, but the court system will automatically grant custody to the woman and put the father on the hook.
- On women's roles:
- Woman want to have equal social status with men, but still expect men to be chivalrous, carry more of the financial burden, and shun those who do not
- Women want to pursue bustling careers while raising children and expect men to pick up the slack in nurturing roles that don't come naturally to most, causing a serious deterioration of the family unit.
- On sexual harassment: see above SNL video above
- The "Modern" woman not only feels that they should be totally equal with men, but also develop an "I don't need no man" mentality and totally disregard the value of a man. This is especially common of single mothers who for obvious reasons are less desirable to most, and disproportionately in the black community.
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gllahone84
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1. They chose six professions that were admittedly dominated numerically by either men or women. There is no indication that these professions are representative of all professions.
2. Even in the "female dominated" professions, men still earned more than their female counterparts.
3. Their methodology states that they examined differences in wages "all other factors held equal." Well, that's exactly the point, all other factors are not equal.
4. They present occupational trends as simply "job choice" which obscures the reality that females are socialized into jobs such as nurse, teacher, and human resources while men are socialized into jobs in construction and computer technology. These are not simply choices that individuals make in a vacuum. They are the cumulative results of 18-20 years of gendered socialization.
5. As a society we tend to "value" jobs generally performed by men than those performed by women which accounts for at least some of the difference in the pay and the growth of certain male-dominated industries. The pay scales were not set in advance for every profession when it was getting started; lower wages were ascribed to jobs typically filled by women because women's labor was not valued as highly as men, not because the jobs were somehow inherently low-paying.
6. They claim that both men and women college graduates experience 60% wage growth between the ages of 22 and 30. Even if this is true, by their own admission, men make an average of $14,300 more than women at that age, which is when they claim that differences "really start." This is not the difference only in the six highly-bifurcated job types that they profiled but for all college graduates.
7. They ascribe the decline in women's wage growth around age 30 to having children, which is probably accurate. However, we as a society have constructed gendered expectations of parental roles that serve to economically punish women and reward men.
Men rarely take paternity leave and certainly nowhere near the time a mother is out for having a baby. This is not necessarily the case in other societies. However, in the U.S. women are therefore penalized by missing work while men are not because we don't expect men to take paternity leave and many employers don't even provide paternity leave.
Women are almost always viewed as the primary caregiver and thus have to miss work when children are sick, when they have special events, etc. while men miss much less work in these ways. Again, women are penalized in the workplace based on our gendered notions of parental roles.
Women who have children are viewed as "undesirable" by potential employers for these reasons while men with children are actually seen as desirable by employers because they fit the "family man" ideal and employers know that fathers generally won't miss work for issues related to their children because mothers are shouldered with those responsibilities.
Women are also often pressured to take care of the home and stop working or work part-time when they have children. This almost never happens with fathers.
8. They fail to take into account how people are treated as far as raises and, especially, promotions. Men generally tend to be promoted to higher-paying administrative and managerial positions at a much greater rate than women.
There are probably more issues I could find if I had more time.
I will see if I can find some good articles to post...
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it's the same running joke over and over. There are tons of foolish, annoying, does nothing but ***** about life over and over, anti-male, ball chopping feminists. and everyone rides with them until the moment they go a little too far over the line and then it becomes "that's not what real feminism is about" straight jokes.
feminism shouldn't even be a thing. like i said equal rights and privlege for all but if you're not a white male thats a battle you'll be fighting for life.
the social rules of life are only a problem when they don't like it or it doesn't work to their benefit.
Racism is only a problem when people don't like it or it doesn't work to their benefit.
What are you even saying bro?
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social norms are not necessarily oppression. jesus ******g christ.
It really sucks how society has oppressed women with things like beast milk, and pregnancy to keep them down and allow men to continue to dominate.
It really sucks how society has oppressed women with things like beast milk, and pregnancy to keep them down and allow men to continue to dominate.
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You're right social norms are not necessarily oppressive but many of them are and we often just take them for granted. Pregnancy is not oppressive but as a society how we respond to pregnancy and motherhood may serve to marginalize women, intentionally or not.
Think critically, bro...
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Porn is disgusting though. I'd say it has a negative macro-effect on the male gender as a whole. Watching porn will give you skewed expectations and a skewed understanding of how to properly interact with women and how to have a healthy, fulfilling sex life. I see how horny teenagers need it, fine. But I question how relevant it is to any man over 18. I think a lot of today's male internet generation falls back on porn, pictures of hot chicks/celebrities, etc. as a crutch to avoid directly confronting their own issues and challenges with interacting with women. The whole idea that we should worship or salivate over pictures of women in the internet results in rather average women's egos blowing up due to social media celebrity status etc. I don't see watching porn or lu****lly staring at pictures of import models as a particularly masculine pursuit, so feminists attacking these fields isn't really an affront to me.
I agree with you that society is currently not very welcoming to the "macho male," though I don't the entire onus should be placed on feminists. Furthermore, while the extremes in any political movement blow a lot of smoke on the internet, I'm not sure how much traction the extreme viewpoints have in terms of getting to the point where they would actually affect your lives.
I'll never let a political/social movement get between me and living a testosterone-full life.
Have any of the women on NT commented yet? It would be interesting to hear a female opinion on this.
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People coddle pregnant women in every aspect of life except business.
Why do YOU think a business might look at a pregnant chick different who's working for them versus a nonpregnant lady?
Why do YOU think a business might look at a pregnant chick different who's working for them versus a nonpregnant lady?
gllahone84
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Intellectual freedom...that's my argument for porn.
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I just posted a number of reasons a few replies ago. But I also noted that these are decisions that we make as a society based on values, for example, how we value women, mothers, parenting, profit, etc.
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Feminism = misandry.
Black feminism is a bigger joke. As already stated black male privilege doesn't exist and they are fighting a battle that isn't theirs to fight. They should have saw that during the Trayvon Martin trial.
Black feminism is a bigger joke. As already stated black male privilege doesn't exist and they are fighting a battle that isn't theirs to fight. They should have saw that during the Trayvon Martin trial.
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