Dominican Republic strips DOMINICANS of Haitian descent of citizenship

[fontaine]

Damb... Sounds like the DR sucks.. To just say "Naw famb... You not from here" like that...

:x

Still trying to see what the yambs are like doe.

30...

Over/under 30 posts before someone changes subject to deflect criticism of the DR...?

 

[ninjahood]

 

 

 

 

Racist tension has always been high in DR. They hate darker skinned individuals and the beef is deep rooted on the basis of skin color. Not surprised by this move at all, this will have negative consequences across the board.

see this is why i ain't make da thread, cuz people assume one thing and take it to da NEXT level...

But it's true.  Trujillo and Hispanidad has altered the DRs perception of black people for the worse.

oh but da Haitian Dictators that invaded and killed Dominicans while taking over da whole island at least twice didn't?

Oh of course that did happen.  I don't deny it.

But by the time Trujillo came to power that was long ago and Trujillo wasn't so much anti-Haitian as he was Anti-black in general.

it was definitely anti-Haitian

The popular name for the massacre came from the shibboleth that the dictatorial Trujillo had his soldiers apply to determine whether or not those living on the border were native Afro-Dominicans or immigrant Haitians. Dominican soldiers would hold up a sprig of parsley to someone and ask what it was. How the person pronounced the Spanish word for parsley (perejil) determined their fate. French and Haitian Creole pronounce the r as a uvular approximant—thus, their speakers can have difficulty pronouncing the alveolar tap or trill of Spanish.[sup][4][/sup]The Dominican soldiers realized that most Haitians had difficulty pronouncing perejil, so if the person could pronounce perejil with a trill, they considered person Dominican and let them live. However, they considered people who pronounced perejil without the trill Haitian, and executed them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Dominican_(Dominican_Republic)

 

[championboyz7]

That's ******g WILD. wow smfh I knew they had beefs with haitians for a minute. But now it's just ridiculous. They been rounding and deporting them for a hot minute now.

 

[Coromanti]

 

 

 

 

 

Racist tension has always been high in DR. They hate darker skinned individuals and the beef is deep rooted on the basis of skin color. Not surprised by this move at all, this will have negative consequences across the board.

see this is why i ain't make da thread, cuz people assume one thing and take it to da NEXT level...

But it's true.  Trujillo and Hispanidad has altered the DRs perception of black people for the worse.

oh but da Haitian Dictators that invaded and killed Dominicans while taking over da whole island at least twice didn't?

Oh of course that did happen.  I don't deny it.

But by the time Trujillo came to power that was long ago and Trujillo wasn't so much anti-Haitian as he was Anti-black in general.

it was definitely anti-Haitian

The popular name for the massacre came from the shibboleth that the dictatorial Trujillo had his soldiers apply to determine whether or not those living on the border were native Afro-Dominicans or immigrant Haitians. Dominican soldiers would hold up a sprig of parsley to someone and ask what it was. How the person pronounced the Spanish word for parsley (perejil) determined their fate. French and Haitian Creole pronounce the r as a uvular approximant—thus, their speakers can have difficulty pronouncing the alveolar tap or trill of Spanish.[sup][4][/sup]The Dominican soldiers realized that most Haitians had difficulty pronouncing perejil, so if the person could pronounce perejil with a trill, they considered person Dominican and let them live. However, they considered people who pronounced perejil without the trill Haitian, and executed them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Dominican_(Dominican_Republic)

"Refugees from Europe broadened the Dominican Republic's tax base and added more whites to the predominantly mixed-race nation. The government favored white refugees over others while Dominican troops expelled illegal aliens, resulting in the 1937 Parsley Massacre of Haitian immigrants."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

 

[legendairy stinson]

He also had an open door policy for Jewish and Japanese refugees while denying Haitian and even dark Dominicans. Trujillo was a clear racist.

 

[daytona 5000]

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic — Experts warned Friday that a Dominican court decision to strip citizenship from children of Haitian migrants could cause a human rights crisis, potentially leaving tens of thousands of people stateless, facing mass deportation and discrimination.

Officials promised to create a path to Dominican citizenship, but gave no details about how it would work or who would be covered.

The ruling by the Constitutional Court is final and gives the electoral commission one year to produce a list of people to be excluded from citizenship.

The decision applies to those born after 1929 – a category that overwhelmingly includes descendants of Haitians brought in to work on farms. It appears to affect even their grandchildren, said Wade McMullen, a New York-based attorney at the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice & Human Rights.

A U.N.-backed study released this year estimated that there are nearly 210,000 Dominican-born people of Haitian descent and roughly another 34,000 born to parents of another nationality.

Many of those "are now effectively stateless," McMullen said. "We really don't know what's going to happen to those people ... Based on what the Dominican government is saying, these people are not Dominican citizens and will have to leave and effectively go to Haiti, where they are also not citizens. It creates an extremely complicated situation."

The majority of them don't have Haitian citizenship, have little or no ties to Haiti and likely don't speak Creole, he said. Getting Haitian citizenship can be complicated too because it is difficult to comply with requirements to prove descent from a Haitian national.

Roberto Rosario, president of the electoral commission, insisted that the government is not denying anyone the right to a nationality, saying people would be able "to legalize themselves through the national legalization plan."

However, that plan has not yet been created, despite a 2004 immigration law that called for it, and it was not clear who would be covered.

Once the plan is created and the electoral commission turns in its list, it will take no more than two years for legalization, said Immigration Director Jose Ricardo Taveras, member of a nationalist party that has long complained about the "Haitianization" of the Dominican Republic.

"Far from remaining in limbo like some critics are arguing, (they) will for the first time benefit from a defined status and identity without having to violate the law," he said.

Meanwhile, the military announced that it had deported 47,700 Haitians caught entering the country in the past year, more than double the nearly 21,000 deported in the previous year.

Ira Kurzban, a Miami-based civil rights and immigration lawyer, said the court's decision "may lead to mass deportation. It will certainly lead to mass discrimination," he said. "[COLOR=#red]They're just going to start rounding up Haitians[/COLOR]."

The Dominican government is currently analyzing the birth certificates of more than 16,000 people, while electoral authorities have refused to issue identity documents to 40,000 people of Haitian descent.

"To all of a sudden be told no, you're not Dominican, it's very frustrating," said Elmo Bida Joseph, a 21-year-old student who said he was denied his ID and a copy of his birth certificate because he was born to Haitian migrants.

"All my dreams have been broken," said Bida, a baseball player who needed those documents to enroll in a baseball academy.

Now he worries he'll be deported.

"I feel that's around the corner. That in any moment I'll be detained and they'll send me to Haiti," he said.

David Abraham, a law professor at the University of Miami, said the decision was part of a larger effort to keep Haitians from entering the Dominican Republic and to encourage self-deportation of those already here.

He cited the racial differences between the predominantly black Haitians and mixed-race Dominicans as well as Haiti's plight as one of the world's poorest countries.

"The fear of the Dominican Republic, of being pulled down to the level of Haiti economically and the `blackening' of the country, has been an obsession of Dominican politicians for well over a century," he said.

Spanish-speaking Dominicans and Creole-speaking Haitians share the Caribbean island of Hispaniola and have a long history of conflict and tense relations.

The office of Haitian Prime Minister Laurent Lamothe declined to comment about the ruling. The Dominican government estimates that some 500,000 people born in Haiti live in the Dominican Republic.

Until 2010, the Dominican Republic automatically bestowed citizenship to anyone born on its soil. But that year, the government approved a new constitution stating that citizenship will be granted only to those born on its soil to at least one parent of Dominican blood or whose foreign parents are legal residents.

"The impact could be truly catastrophic," said Jorge Duany, an anthropology professor at Florida International University who has studied the migration of Dominicans in the Caribbean. "They are stigmatizing an entire Haitian population."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...tize_n_4002844.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

 

[legendairy stinson]

DR is BARELY above the economic level of Haiti.

 

[ninjahood]

DR is BARELY above the economic level of Haiti.

you can't be serious...Haiti is da poorest country in da entire western hemisphere..

son said "barely"...

 

[krisboyz781]

you can't be serious...Haiti is da poorest country in da entire western hemisphere..

son said "barely"...

You realize that DR would be just like Haiti if not for tourism. Only reason Haiti is so poor is due to corrupt government

 

[americangenius]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...tize_n_4002844.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

The racism in DR is well documented, some people refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[ninjahood]

 

you can't be serious...Haiti is da poorest country in da entire western hemisphere..

son said "barely"...

You realize that DR would be just like Haiti if not for tourism. Only reason Haiti is so poor is due to corrupt government

and DR doesn't have corrupt government? haiti got a BUNCH of reason's why they're in such dire straights, da latest being that earth quake...

 

[legendairy stinson]

DR is BARELY above the economic level of Haiti.

you can't be serious...Haiti is da poorest country in da entire western hemisphere..

son said "barely"...

You can't deny outside of the resorts and the capital DR is poor as ****

 

[legendairy stinson]

The excuse that "Haitians would pull down DR's economy" is BS, their economy isn't exactly thriving.

 

[ninjahood]

 

 

DR is BARELY above the economic level of Haiti.

you can't be serious...Haiti is da poorest country in da entire western hemisphere..

son said "barely"...

You can't deny outside of the resorts and the capital DR is poor as ****

da captial ain't even da most $$ spots...punta cana, la romana, etc. da more east you go on da island da more wealthy mansions and exotic **** you see..

DR has WAAY more money and is more financially solvent then Haiti, which is DEAD LAST in da ENTIRE western hemisphere. (think about how many countries is that)

 

[lordofcastamere]

You realize that DR would be just like Haiti if not for tourism. Only reason Haiti is so poor is due to corrupt government

LOL DR is poor as hell, it's like comparing Sudan to Tanzania, sure Tanzania has tourist attractions but the common Tanzanians are living in abject poverty. Take out the glorified ***** house resorts and I have no interest in going to DR.

Anyhow, I'm actually planning a trip but I want to convince my boys to go to Europe instead...cheap #$#$

 

[rare]

What Ninja is saying about the mansions and more development in the east is true. I have family in Cibao and my uncle, grandparents, aunts have all said that there's suburb developments taking place. When I say suburb, I mean like suburb that you see rich folks in. Nice *** houses, patios, pools, neighborhoods flourishing in wealth. Of course there's the poor areas, but compared to Haiti, DR is dominating the island with wealth and social class. Not to mention the high class millionaires that have time shares, vacation homes situated on the island.

 

[cliffordsmith]

 

 

 

DR is BARELY above the economic level of Haiti.

you can't be serious...Haiti is da poorest country in da entire western hemisphere..

son said "barely"...

You can't deny outside of the resorts and the capital DR is poor as ****

da captial ain't even da most $$ spots...punta cana, la romana, etc. da more east you go on da island da more wealthy mansions and exotic **** you see..

DR has WAAY more money and is more financially solvent then Haiti, which is DEAD LAST in da ENTIRE western hemisphere. (think about how many countries is that)

You have hatian in your blood.

 

[americangenius]

Thread derailed? That was quick.

 

[legendairy stinson]

You realize that DR would be just like Haiti if not for tourism. Only reason Haiti is so poor is due to corrupt government

LOL DR is poor as hell, it's like comparing Sudan to Tanzania, sure Tanzania has tourist attractions but the common Tanzanians are living in abject poverty. Take out the glorified ***** house resorts and I have no interest in going to DR.


Anyhow, I'm actually planning a trip but I want to convince my boys to go to Europe instead...cheap #$#$

You'll miss out on them yambz then

 

[legendairy stinson]

What I'm curious is what percentage of these rich people living east are actually Dominican.

 

[Top Boy]

Someone find a clever way to spin Dominican Republic and Ohio into one phrase.

 

[lordofcastamere]

You'll miss out on them yambz then

I mean I can get yambs in Yambsterdam.

without catching HIV in the process.

 

[Mr.Guy]

The GDP in Haiti is 1,205.54 and the GDP in DR is 9,846

 

[Top Boy]

 

You'll miss out on them yambz then

I mean I can get yambs in Yambsterdam.

without catching HIV in the process.

The hos in Amsterdam are BAD!

Would let them burn me. Idgaf.

Srs. Not srs. Woodbury/10 them all though.

 

[jaysfiend23]

Man this whole situation is like throwing gasoline on a fire..when I was in DR a few months ago the Dominicans in the resort told me that this has been an on going issue for years and they too are all poor as a whole but not as bad as Haiti cuz tourism is always booming..i don't know who anyone can walk around different parts of DR and says its not economically depressed I mean yea where the resorts are is nice but the whole country as a whole is poverty..but let's not forget the reason for this thread is how racism never changes even in 2013