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Hmmm...he had $500 in cash, a notebook with names and amounts next to it and various bags of cocaine and crack? That's a drug dealer homie......
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Originally Posted by HOVKid
Hmmm...he had $500 in cash, a notebook with names and amounts next to it and various bags of cocaine and crack? That's a drug dealer homie......
Originally Posted by HOVKid
Hmmm...he had $500 in cash, a notebook with names and amounts next to it and various bags of cocaine and crack? That's a drug dealer homie......
so at the very least he's guilty of possession... I still don't see how you can characterize him as innocent.
and really, your peers do not have to be your own ethnicity.
Well what if he was using ALL of the drugs for his own personal use? He was a heavy user. The problem I had was we had to decide whether the evidence presented was enough to prove without a reasonable doubt that his intentions were to sell those drugs.
Well I had some doubts. Notebook may not have been his cause the DA didn't do a handwriting analysis and it was found in the vehicle which was registered under a different individual. Maybe the money was from another source? Maybe he was on the way to a crack house? Multiple baggies for sale could also be for use right?
I just hate seeing another black man incarcerated for drugs especially an addict. System = Cycle
Originally Posted by Dirtylicious
so at the very least he's guilty of possession... I still don't see how you can characterize him as innocent.
and really, your peers do not have to be your own ethnicity.
Originally Posted by Thizz Marley
Originally Posted by General Johnson
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
PS:Spoke to the DA and Public Defender after and they both told me if you ever get read your Miranda rights... SHUT the HELL UP.� They used a lot of what he told the officers which was recorded against him
Isn't that common sense? EVERYTHING you say (and sometimes what you don't say) WILL be used against you.
For those of you who don't know how to handle police, this video series (Flex Your Rights) is a good start.
The full video can be seen here. Watch and learn.
just this in my poli sci class. i thought it was common knowledge to shut your mouth. guess not
AG 47 wrote:
Originally Posted by Thizz Marley
Originally Posted by General Johnson
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
PS:Spoke to the DA and Public Defender after and they both told me if you ever get read your Miranda rights... SHUT the HELL UP.� They used a lot of what he told the officers which was recorded against him
Isn't that common sense? EVERYTHING you say (and sometimes what you don't say) WILL be used against you.
For those of you who don't know how to handle police, this video series (Flex Your Rights) is a good start.
The full video can be seen here. Watch and learn.
just this in my poli sci class. i thought it was common knowledge to shut your mouth. guess not ?
All an officer would have to do is say that they had probable cause and they could carry out the search then.
And with probable cause being so damn vague, they could literally search your car or person over anything.
Also, disregard my last comment. I missed the part about the notebook.
thats what you want them to do...any decent lawyer will eat that evidence up, and it wont be admitted into court....it all comes down to not doing the prosecuters job for them
California Proposition 36, the Substance Abuse and Crime Prevention Act of 2000, also known as Prop 36, was an initiative statute that permanently changed state law to allow qualifying defendants convicted of non-violent drug possession offenses to receive a probationary sentence in lieu of incarceration.
As a condition of probation defendants are required to participate in and complete a licensed and/or certified community drug treatment program. If the defendant fails to complete this program or violates any other term or condition of their probation, then probation can be revoked and the defendant may be required to serve an additional sentence which may include incarceration.
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
I am in Cali so at LEAST in our state, we the voters passed Proposition 36.
California Proposition 36, the Substance Abuse and Crime Prevention Act of 2000, also known as Prop 36, was an initiative statute that permanently changed state law to allow qualifying defendants convicted of non-violent drug possession offenses to receive a probationary sentence in lieu of incarceration.
As a condition of probation defendants are required to participate in and complete a licensed and/or certified community drug treatment program. If the defendant fails to complete this program or violates any other term or condition of their probation, then probation can be revoked and the defendant may be required to serve an additional sentence which may include incarceration.
I watched this whole thing. It was really interesting. I swear i'm never talking to cops again.Originally Posted by General Johnson
Don't talk to cops G. Take it from a Law Professor...
Originally Posted by bittersweet
I hate jail because it DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. It's just a place to hold minorities and people they think are threats to the community.
They aren't really helping them ... it's all a cycle.
Originally Posted by seniosoul
You're committing a crime OP...
the good ol reverse racism arguement huh? go read a book or do a wikipedia search or something..Originally Posted by marionthebarberian
Originally Posted by bittersweet
I hate jail because it DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. It's just a place to hold minorities and people they think are threats to the community.
They aren't really helping them ... it's all a cycle.
tell that to the men in my block.
op, you just trying to say he is innocent cause hes black and your black.
I agree and that's where the problem lies. How do I know if it was his 'intent' to sell? For all I know he got the money from gambling, picked up all those baggies of crack/coke and was going to party that night. No one knows but the one charged what his real intentions were.Originally Posted by ljlukelj
I still don't understand the law of intent to sell. Technically if I have intent to sell, I didn't do anything. You should have to be caught selling IMO. Not saying that those with just intent are in the right, but come on, where do you draw the line?
Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
the good ol reverse racism arguement huh? go read a book or do a wikipedia search or something..Originally Posted by marionthebarberian
Originally Posted by bittersweet
I hate jail because it DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. It's just a place to hold minorities and people they think are threats to the community.
They aren't really helping them ... it's all a cycle.
tell that to the men in my block.
op, you just trying to say he is innocent cause hes black and your black.
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise
What was the racial background of his "jury of his peers"??
If I remember right...
1 elderly white male
6 Asians
3 white females
2 Latinos
And furthermore, I think that even if his intentions WERE to sell, that law is null. It seems like a law that is out to simply fill the prisons (as if they aren't full enough). I think it is almost obvious that he had intent to sell, but the problem for me is right there. Who cares if he had INTENT, as long as he hasn't visibly made a sale, that man didn't commit a crime. Now possession on the other hand is a different story.Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
I agree and that's where the problem lies. How do I know if it was his 'intent' to sell? For all I know he got the money from gambling, picked up all those baggies of crack/coke and was going to party that night. No one knows but the one charged what his real intentions were.Originally Posted by ljlukelj
I still don't understand the law of intent to sell. Technically if I have intent to sell, I didn't do anything. You should have to be caught selling IMO. Not saying that those with just intent are in the right, but come on, where do you draw the line?
Basically the DA's case was the pay/owe book, large amounts of cash in small denominations with no job and multiple baggies = intent to sell.
Originally Posted by ljlukelj
And furthermore, I think that even if his intentions WERE to sell, that law is null. It seems like a law that is out to simply fill the prisons (as if they aren't full enough). I think it is almost obvious that he had intent to sell, but the problem for me is right there. Who cares if he had INTENT, as long as he hasn't visibly made a sale, that man didn't commit a crime. Now possession on the other hand is a different story.Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
I agree and that's where the problem lies. How do I know if it was his 'intent' to sell? For all I know he got the money from gambling, picked up all those baggies of crack/coke and was going to party that night. No one knows but the one charged what his real intentions were.Originally Posted by ljlukelj
I still don't understand the law of intent to sell. Technically if I have intent to sell, I didn't do anything. You should have to be caught selling IMO. Not saying that those with just intent are in the right, but come on, where do you draw the line?
Basically the DA's case was the pay/owe book, large amounts of cash in small denominations with no job and multiple baggies = intent to sell.
Originally Posted by Dirtylicious
sure it does.Originally Posted by bittersweet
I hate jail because it DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. It's just a place to hold minorities and people they think are threats to the community.
They aren't really helping them ... it's all a cycle.
it PUNISHES those who break the law.