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If I'm Zack Snyder and I'm reading all these bad reviews.
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Not a huge fan of Snyder. He seems like a ton of flash/lacking on substance.
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samesies.
in opinion TAS was by far my favorite batman
i thought Bale was arguably the best Bruce Wayne but i couldnt stand him as Batman, esp toward the end of the trilogy.
Keaton was OG obv but i feel like it was hard to take him seriously as Batman.
prob get flamed but for me it wouldnt take that much for Affleck to get up there with Keaton.
i just wish there was a Batman movie where whoever played him i was like "that guy was the best batman easily hands down" especially when i dont feel that way about any of the rest as it is, i just dont get why they cant nail a batman like they got say Tony Stark and pretty much all the Avengers.
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I've heard a few times that Affleck is hands down the best Batman yet.
Really, all I really was worried about is how they go about telling Batmans story. Superman a story is always going to be a tough story to tell so I'm not surprised critics aren't in love with BvS.
Really, all I really was worried about is how they go about telling Batmans story. Superman a story is always going to be a tough story to tell so I'm not surprised critics aren't in love with BvS.
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Ben did a solid job as Batman.
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I think if people pay attention to what they're paying for and know what they're getting themselves into, they don't have the right to complain when they get exactly what they were sold.So ppl should just expect Batman and Superman movies to be complete **** and if it's not the worst we should be happy.
Okay.
I can get lowering expectations but damn
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I don't buy that Superman is a hard story to tell. He's just outdated and unrelatable right now. But that's fixable. That's a writer thing. Not a Superman thing.
Also might be an actor thing. Lol, but it's no secret I'm not a fan of Cavil right now.
Also might be an actor thing. Lol, but it's no secret I'm not a fan of Cavil right now.
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Why the thread title change? 
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Why the thread title change?
At first I hought there was a Batman only thread that I've missed this whole time
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@ taking Supes out of the thread title.You know from reading spoilers don't think I can disagree. Sticking to my plans.So ppl should just expect Batman and Superman movies to be complete **** and if it's not the worst we should be happy.
Okay.
I can get lowering expectations but damn
I think if people pay attention to what they're paying for and know what they're getting themselves into, they don't have the right to complain when they get exactly what they were sold.
Speaking of the spoilers and what ppl were complaining about with the trailers it does seem they showed too much and Snyder lied about their being more stuff to the movie. Outside of not knowing a few details we see the meat and potatoes of the movie in the trailers.
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I know you hate MoS, but I happen to like it...but do i think it could have been better? Absolutely. My main problem with MoS was not the story that was told, but how the story was told. I don't think it's hard story to tell, or that he's outdated and un-relateable. I honestly think if they had pieced that storyline together better it would have made a world of difference. But your absolutely right, it's a writer thing, and if a story isn't written good then the director can't hide a bad storyline and no good actor can salvage that (in most cases).
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Yes and no a bit. I don't think it's a relatability thing really. I don't know when Supes was ever relatable. He's an aspiration figure, wish fulfillment. It is a writer thing though and the problem is they want to have these really grounded realistic stories at least tone wise and Supes is too overpowered to make that mesh without constantly making him fight compelling villains on his level. They just put that to the side in MOS and tried to add depth to his story so ppl would relate. Didn't really work.
On top of that his supporting cast is weak and the profession is a bit outdated unless you're gonna really focus on Clark Kent journalist.
There's a lot of tinkering involved with his story to get a great movie made.
In defense of Cavil, he was never this stiff in The Tudors. He played a fun character that had depth.
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I never saw Superman as unrelatable. As a person who works as a journalist, I relate heavily with Clark lol
What I DON'T relate to in MoS is how Clark, with no apparent college education or relevant experience, who spent 10 years wandering the earth and bartending, just walked into the biggest newspaper in the verse and got a staff job :x
What I DON'T relate to in MoS is how Clark, with no apparent college education or relevant experience, who spent 10 years wandering the earth and bartending, just walked into the biggest newspaper in the verse and got a staff job :x
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Yeah there were some serious plot holes in MoS but I still enjoyed it. As I gotten older I've stopped caring too much about how these movies stick to the script. I just realized, it's just not going to happen.
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That's a super good point
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Cause he's smashing Lois, not that hard to understand, b.I never saw Superman as unrelatable. As a person who works as a journalist, I relate heavily with Clark lol
What I DON'T relate to in MoS is how Clark, with no apparent college education or relevant experience, who spent 10 years wandering the earth and bartending, just walked into the biggest newspaper in the verse and got a staff job
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Well that's what I'm kinda saying. I'm sure there's some comic arcs where they focus on Clark being a journalist but that is glossed over like crazy most of the time.
More times than not Clark's job is an excuse for why Supes is in certain places. At best it comes off like a reason to give Clark a day job to make sense of why he isn't Supes all of the time. I never really came across stuff showing Clark as the dedicated journalist pursuing a story, chasing down leads (the way we see it by Ben or Karen in DD or even Lois when she's doing her job). I recall a reviewer saying Cavil's Clark is more like George Reeves' Clark; not that important or different.
Always makes me think of a JL or Superman cartoon ep where Lex reasoned that Superman has no secret identity cuz he's Superman. He came to the conclusion a person of his power would not waste the time to pretend to be a normal human because it is beneath him
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Superman Birthright established young Clark as a freelance writer who traveled the world for years and submitted articles, making a name for himself as a journalist. His experience in Africa is what made him become "Superman" IIRC but it's been a while sinceI read that
Grant Morrison in the New 52 did an awesome job of establishing young Clark as a writer who exposed criminal activity in Metropolis for a rival paper and moonlighting as scumbag t-shirt Superman before getting a job at the Daily Planet and becoming the "Real" Superman
Grant Morrison in the New 52 did an awesome job of establishing young Clark as a writer who exposed criminal activity in Metropolis for a rival paper and moonlighting as scumbag t-shirt Superman before getting a job at the Daily Planet and becoming the "Real" Superman
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Haven't seen the movie in a minute but I'm pretty sure Lois was surprised to see him working at the Planet.
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This dude is buggin.Worse than that fast talking Bob guy that likes to tear movies a part.
These middle aged dudes got too much time on their hands.
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Oh no, I'm sure there are plenty of comic book depictions that make Superman relatable and maybe put increased emphasis on his life as a journalist. That's why in my initial post I was saying it's a writer thing and not a Superman thing.
The MoS writers simply did not do a good enough job, to me, to make him relatable. And also Cavil's acting didn't help to me.
The MoS writers simply did not do a good enough job, to me, to make him relatable. And also Cavil's acting didn't help to me.
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I'm not a fan of Grant Morrison to be honest and it's been a while since I read Birthright. That's probably falling in to the few stories I recall focusing on Clark's job and him actually being good at it.
