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[sunshineblotters]

RFX read my last comment.

So a tiny bit of kryptonite brings him to his knees and now he can fly through stars made of kryptonite. He couldnt survive in space now he flies through it at the speed of light. Out of his billions of inconsistent abilities how many are ridiculous cop outs? For superman to ever be popular enough to beat bats in a fight someone needs to fix the trash that is his entire background. I understand heroes gain and lose abilities and many are also inconsistent but superman is a joke. All his cop out abilities just makes for terrible storytelling.

 

[ksteezy]

If you can't see that Batman only "wins" or survives fights against Supes is because of popularity, the fans, and writers tying Supes hands I don't know what to tell you

Prep time bruh..

 

[rfx45]

RFX read my last comment.

So a tiny bit of kryptonite brings him to his knees and now he can fly through stars made of kryptonite. He couldnt survive in space now he flies through it at the speed of light. Out of his billions of inconsistent abilities how many are ridiculous cop outs? For superman to ever be popular enough to beat bats in a fight someone needs to fix the trash that is his entire background. I understand heroes gain and lose abilities and many are also inconsistent but superman is a joke. All his cop out abilities just makes for terrible storytelling.

That is not a reason to think batman will beat Superman all the time. Batman has been inconsistent too, not all writers write these characters 100% the same all the time. Even the weakest version of Superman would easily beat Batman, there really should be no arguing about it really.

Like you said, he is overpowered and that may produce incredibly lame and stupid stories but the matter of fact is, Superman can flick Batman and instantly kill him. Hell he can breathe and Bats would be dead. I really do not get how people can even argue this.

And it seems you are saying Bats wins only because of popularity so it does seem like you are agreeing so why are you so keen on arguing? You practically made the case for those you are debating against.

 

[rfx45]

As a side note, seeing Damian Lewis bald make me think he could play Lex Luthor, dude kills it at Homeland.

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[macbk]

Anyone can suit up as Batman. It's Affleck as Bruce Wayne that worries me. But I've said that countless times, probably in this thread way back.

 

[rfx45]

Anyone can suit up as Batman. It's Affleck as Bruce Wayne that worries me. But I've said that countless times, probably in this thread way back.

This movie is still a MoS sequel for the most part, there is a chance Affleck only appears as Bruce very briefly. I think he can do it because dude could be charming and that is something that we didn't really see in Bale much or if at all.

 

[ohmygosher]

^

What was wrong with Amy Adams? She's a great actress.

I liked the movie, but she looks old enough to be my mom sometimes (I'm 24). That's gonna be even worse by the time the sequel comes out

Was just thinking about this and Isla Fisher came to mind.

She would've been a great Lois.

 

[rfx45]

Isla Fisher can't act though. Just saw Now You See Me and you could put any pretty face in her place and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

 

[sunshineblotters]

That is not a reason to think batman will beat Superman all the time. Batman has been inconsistent too, not all writers write these characters 100% the same all the time. Even the weakest version of Superman would easily beat Batman, there really should be no arguing about it really.

Like you said, he is overpowered and that may produce incredibly lame and stupid stories but the matter of fact is, Superman can flick Batman and instantly kill him. Hell he can breathe and Bats would be dead. I really do not get how people can even argue this.

And it seems you are saying Bats wins only because of popularity so it does seem like you are agreeing so why are you so keen on arguing? You practically made the case for those you are debating against.

I am not arguing. I am saying batman would win because of popularity, but he is still winning. I was just replying to your post about his powers

Yah many characters are inconsistent. Wolverine takes a few days to heal his leg in Age of Ultron, a few hours to heal his entire body in AvX, and heals his whole body in a few seconds after being burnt to nothing but his exoskeloton in a different comic I read. But it still doesnt compare to the **** that goes on in Supes comics.

 

[ohmygosher]

Isla Fisher can't act though. Just saw Now You See Me and you could put any pretty face in her place and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

I blame that on the writing. She was decent in the shopaholic movie.

 

[rfx45]

That is not a reason to think batman will beat Superman all the time. Batman has been inconsistent too, not all writers write these characters 100% the same all the time. Even the weakest version of Superman would easily beat Batman, there really should be no arguing about it really.

Like you said, he is overpowered and that may produce incredibly lame and stupid stories but the matter of fact is, Superman can flick Batman and instantly kill him. Hell he can breathe and Bats would be dead. I really do not get how people can even argue this.

And it seems you are saying Bats wins only because of popularity so it does seem like you are agreeing so why are you so keen on arguing? You practically made the case for those you are debating against.

I am not arguing. I am saying batman would win because of popularity, but he is still winning. I was just replying to your post about his powers

Yah many characters are inconsistent. Wolverine takes a few days to heal his leg in Age of Ultron, a few hours to heal his entire body in AvX, and heals his whole body in a few seconds after being burnt to nothing but his exoskeloton in a different comic I read. But it still doesnt compare to the **** that goes on in Supes comics.

But the argument isn't if Batman would win in the comics written by writers, discussion is who will win plain and simple, Batman or Superman and the answer should be Superman 100% of the time.

I mean Batman has beaten Superman countless of times in the comics and that is the fact so there is no arguing that. No point to bring it up because as you already said, it is moot because it is written due to popularity.

And why reply about the powers as an "inconsistency" defense to the discussion? That doesn't mean Superman would/should lose because of his power inconsistency, it just makes no sense to mention it if it provides no valid point in the discussion. Even if Superman is only as powerful as a locomotive or leap tall building with a single bound or just faster than a speeding bullet, that is still enough to beat Batman 100% of the time if you remove the writers who would need to make a battle between the two interesting. That is the point, you just sounding like you hate Superman, which really isn't new but be logical on why he would lose, not because his powers have been written inconsistently over the decades.

 

[rfx45]

Isla Fisher can't act though. Just saw Now You See Me and you could put any pretty face in her place and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

I blame that on the writing. She was decent in the shopaholic movie.

She has no range though, writing or not, she wasn't very good in delivering what was given to her. She was suppose to have this sexual chemistry with Eisenberg but she exuded nothing. She delivers her lines like Channing Tatum, no emotion.

Amy might look old but I'd still prefer her over Isla Fisher. Plus everyone hated Amy as Lois when she was casted because she doesn't look like her and now it seems everyone wants someone that just looks like a young Amy Adams to replace her like Isla Fisher and the chick from The Office? If we are going to make a recommendation, at least suggest someone who doesn't look like her.

 

[ohmygosher]

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I actually never had an issue with Amy Adams and defended her earlier in this thread. I was just thinking of alternatives when Isla popped in my head.

 

[sunshineblotters]

But the argument isn't if Batman would win in the comics written by writers, discussion is who will win plain and simple, Batman or Superman and the answer should be Superman 100% of the time.

I mean Batman has beaten Superman countless of times in the comics and that is the fact so there is no arguing that. No point to bring it up because as you already said, it is moot because it is written due to popularity.

And why reply about the powers as an "inconsistency" defense to the discussion? That doesn't mean Superman would/should lose because of his power inconsistency, it just makes no sense to mention it if it provides no valid point in the discussion. Even if Superman is only as powerful as a locomotive or leap tall building with a single bound or just faster than a speeding bullet, that is still enough to beat Batman 100% of the time if you remove the writers who would need to make a battle between the two interesting. That is the point, you just sounding like you hate Superman, which really isn't new but be logical on why he would lose, not because his powers have been written inconsistently over the decades.

If I recall I said i can't wait until this movie so they can finally end the Supes vs Bats debate. How is that not the argument? I am the one who started this whole discussion.

I am saying his popularity has a lot to do with how inconsistent he is. It makes for horrible writing. He will never be popular enough to beat bats with the crap that spews out of his comics. No one cares for a superhero who will magically have the power he needs in any given situation. Terrible writting = terrible comic book

That was my entire point, like i said a few post ago.

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

If you can't see that Batman only "wins" or survives fights against Supes is because of popularity, the fans, and writers tying Supes hands I don't know what to tell you

When did I say that? I know why Batman wins these fights. But it is still winning. Earlier in the thread I was saying how popular characters get the red carpet treatment. Popularity is a superheroes real superpower. For **** sake. Wolverine gutted Molecule Man in secret wars. What could Wolvie possibly do to Molecule Man in an actual fight? Die? Hell Spiderman beat Superboy in the crossover fights. Only outcome from those crossovers that wouldnt be possible in a fight where we toss the rules of popularity out a window. But he still won. And if this is a true fight film Batman would slaughter Superman. Plain and simple. Yah because he is popular but next to one who sees the movie will ******g care why the bland ***, overpowered, never in any real danger, 5000000000 inconsistent abilities having superhero lost the fight.

Charles wasnt around when i was talking about the importance of popularity but you were in the conversation. Like I said you only care to argue so this is a convo i wont even reply to the rest of your nonsense.

When did I say you said that????????????

I think you got confused and thought my post was replying to yours and/or that I read your post.

 

[|A-Man|]

Was just thinking about this and Isla Fisher came to mind.

She would've been a great Lois.

It's funny cuz Isla is just as old as Amy.

Guess we're gonna have to blame the MOS makeup dept for making Amy look old and worn out

 

[rfx45]

If I recall I said i can't wait until this movie so they can finally end the Supes vs Bats debate. How is that not the argument? I am the one who started this whole discussion.

Because that is very, very vague? That statement has nothing to do with comics or popularity or power inconsistency.

And no, that is not what you said.

Good. Now superman fans can stop chanting about how he would win in a fight against batman.

That is what you said and it clearly implies that a bias against Superman, as if Superman can't win and fans had no valid points. That right there, is instigating and don't even try to back pedal from that. But again, it isn't specific to any particular discussion or popularity, comics or whatnot. You were just trolling and admittedly, we fell for it.

That statement right there, is plain and simple, asinine.

I am saying his popularity has a lot to do with how inconsistent he is. It makes for horrible writing. He will never be popular enough to beat bats with the crap that spews out of his comics. No one cares for a superhero who will magically have the power he needs in any given situation. Terrible writting = terrible comic book

That was my entire point, like i said a few post ago.

And no, his popularity in not based on his inconsistency. He is still undoubtedly #1 or #2 most famous in DC comics and likely the whole world. He isn't down there in the bottom with tier 3 heroes like Cable or Gambit. This is Superman, mention his name and people know him. And despite his overpowered nature, there have been plenty of great books written on him. Your whole "popularity" theory just makes no sense, especially in this case.

 

[sunshineblotters]

Hitler is one of the most famous people ever because we all love him right?

Popularity is not based on inconsistency you are right. I should have worded that better. Popularity is based a lot from how well a comic is written and being in no real danger whatsoever because Supes abilities change at the drop of a hat is in no way beneficial to how well his comics are written.

 

[ohmygosher]

How would batman stand a chance against superman?

 

[sunshineblotters]

FFS read the last couple pages.

 

[rfx45]

Hitler is one of the most famous people ever because we all love him right?

Popularity is not based on inconsistency you are right. I should have worded that better. Popularity is based a lot from how well a comic is written and being in no real danger whatsoever because Supes abilities change at the drop of a hat is in no way beneficial to how well his comics are written.

The hell? This has just gotten to stupid proportions with the Hitler comparisons. I mean, really?

I really do not see your obsession with this popularity crap, you are the only one I have seen to take it so seriously and uses it as a defense for everything.

Superman is always in danger, you admitted you are not a comic book fan yet you have all this notion that you know everything. You simply do not. Superman has weaknesses and just because the editorial proved your statements completely wrong, you have taken it to a idiotic level of argument to try and prove a point. Yes Superman has been inconsistent but he is always in danger, Magic and Kryptonite is still a threat but he is a hero so he survives and fights on. It does not change at a drop of a hat, if you read comics other than XMen, then you would know this. Again, there have been plenty of great Superman books despite it, read them before you blabber on further. You also know there are canon and non-canon books so yes, the powers won't be consistent, get the F over it.

Popularity isn't just determined on how it is written, it plays a role but I will say it again, there are a plethora of well written Superman books out there. Get that through your head. If the crap you say is true, then there would be absolutely no good Superman book out there but as usual, you seem to be just talking out of your ***** like always.

Plain and simple, Superman is not popular because people hate him, so a Hitler comparison is beyond asinine. I really cannot even comprehend how this needs to be explained to someone.

 

[sir charles]

Title is not confirmed, "Batman vs. Superman" is the projects nickname and it is what everyone calls it until the title is truly confirmed.


As for Batman beating Superman if it wasn't written for interest and fans...

For decades and decades, comic book fans from across the globe have been debating who would win in an all-out brawl between the two heroes: Batman vs. Superman! Could this editorial introduce this argument to it's conclusion? Read on to find out!

Batman and Superman have to be the two of the most iconic comic book characters alongside with some of the Marvel characters. Batman and Superman for many years have been the building blocks for DC Comics ever since the two comics known as Action Comics #1 and Detective Comics #27 hit the shelves in the late 1930s, with the Caped Crusader debuting after the Man of Steel. The two have been the best team-up (sorry, Robin) in comics since peanut butter and jelly. These two characters also show trust towards one another, even exchanging their weaknesses with one another. But this article isn’t about sharing or any other Secret Santa exchange, it’s about who would win a brawl between the greatest icons of the DC Comics mythology: Batman vs. Superman.



This argument has been argued for over decades of who would win a fight between the two. Throughout the span of comics, Batman and Superman have clashed in comics such as Superman: Red Son and The Dark Knight Falls. When taking a look at our fighters, they both have different techniques. Batman is more of a tactician alongside the foundation of gadgets, while Superman is all brawl and might. Batman is a human, Superman is a Kryptonian, yet the two still stand a close-match against each other… at least that’s what it seems like. Let’s go a bit in depth with this battle.


Superman is a very kind-hearted fellow, which is a vital disadvantage when fighting against opponents because of his strong sense of morality and ethics for all living things, except for robots or drones. Batman on the other hand will keep kicking the **** out of you and will stop at nothing until you’re down, but not dead. So they’re both not fans of killing others, fine with me. They both have their principles, and they both have their advantages and disadvantages, but between a fight against Superman and Batman, the hungriest fighter would be Superman.



Now you’re probably wondering how the hell Superman would beat Batman, since in Superman: Red Son, Batman nearly defeated him and in The Dark Knight Falls, Batman DID defeat him. But when examining over the DC Comics mythology, Superman actually would win in a fight between Batman, not only basing it off of prior knowledge, but off of the knowledge of comics.
You’re also wondering how Batman would lose against a fight to Superman, if Batman has a ring of kryptonite. That ring Superman gave him probably has the littlest piece of kryptonite, and that would never stand a chance against Superman. Many of you are forgetting Superman is one of the most over-powered comic characters in history. Superman is basically used to fighting villains wielding kryptonite. Superman has fought Lex Luthor, Metallo, Kryptonite Man, and Titano, a giant gorilla with kryptonite vision for Christ’s sake! If the majority of these guys are super-powered beings, what makes you think Superman cannot take down Batman?


Many of you are also forgetting your sense of logic towards the situation. Many of you think Kryptonite is as common as the coal Santa puts in the stockings of bad children. Kryptonite is a rare substance and can barely even be found, that’s why Batman has such small amounts of it. Many of you think Batman has tons of Kryptonite, he doesn’t. Even in The Dark Knight Falls, Batman had a scarce amount of Kryptonite to use on Superman and he used with by forging a Kryptonite arrow. A Kryptonite arrow wouldn’t take out Superman; you’d know that if you were to see all the crap Superman has gone through in comics.



Superman has freaking flown through a Red Sun, surrounded by millions of Kryptonite, has survived a volcanic eruption, and has heated the entire Earth with his heat vision. If Batman were to take out a Kryptonite ring, Superman would most likely step away as far as he can, used his microscopic vision to see from far distances, and would’ve zapped the ring with his heat vision. Batman has had his back broken by Bane, a human with venom. What makes you think Batman will not get devastated by Superman?





Also take a look at the video below, determining what would happen if Superman threw a single punch at you in the face:

I enjoyed this post very much. 

RFX read my last comment.

So a tiny bit of kryptonite brings him to his knees and now he can fly through stars made of kryptonite. He couldnt survive in space now he flies through it at the speed of light. Out of his billions of inconsistent abilities how many are ridiculous cop outs? For superman to ever be popular enough to beat bats in a fight someone needs to fix the trash that is his entire background. I understand heroes gain and lose abilities and many are also inconsistent but superman is a joke. All his cop out abilities just makes for terrible storytelling.

All heroes change over time, and Superman is not the only one who has changed drastically since creation. Batman used to drop people off of buildings with no problem. He also wasn't as powered as he is now. He was kind of just a detective, with a bat costume. Superman on the other hand, sneezes away planets. If anything, they have taken his powers away drastically, and replaced them will lesser abilities. He used to bench press planets, breathe away moons on accident, and be a generally mega powered nuisance. They took all of that away, and replaced it with less vulnerability to kryptonite. Which actually makes sense. Who wants to see their favorite hero fall to his knees because someone held up a rock smaller than a wedding ring on a budget to him? 

I also think people don't take Superman's wins over Batman seriously. Like in Red Son, Superman used that "cunning" that everyone praises Batman for to have Wonder Woman break her L.O.T. and shut off the red sunlight. President Superman proceeded to attack Batman until he blew himself up. He was later reassembled and programmed to sweep Superman's floor for eternity. (Until liberation by Lex Luthor.)

Or a more recent defeat, Batman/Superman #1. (New 52)

Superman beats up New 52 Superman, while Batman admits how easily Supes can destroy Batman. Then Supes is teleported to Smallville where he meets another Batman. Batman pulls out a bar of kryptonite, and Superman grabs it and throws it into space. The now weakened Superman beats the **** of Batman with no damns given.

When comparing the two side by side, Superman will always be the true victor. Batman simply wins because of popularity, we all know this.

How would batman stand a chance against superman?

Prep time, bruh.

 

[rfx45]

If I ever run into this guy I'm goign to strangler him.

David S. Goyer Doesn't Hold To The "SUPERMAN Doesn't Kill" Rule


"We were pretty sure that was going to be controversial, It's not like we were deluding ourselves, and we weren't just doing it to be cool. We felt, in the case of Zod, we wanted to put the character in an impossible situation and make an impossible choice. This is one area, and I've written comic books as well and this is where I disagree with some of my fellow comic book writers - 'Superman doesn't kill'. It's a rule that exists outside of the narrative and I just don't believe in rules like that. I believe when you're writing film or television, you can't rely on a crutch or rule that exists outside of the narrative of the film. So the situation was, Zod says 'I'm not going to stop until you kill me or I kill you.' The reality is no prison on the planet could hold him and in our film Superman can't fly to the moon, and we didn't want to come up with that crutch. Also our movie was in a way Superman Begins, he's not really Superman until the end of the film. We wanted him to have had that experience of having taken a life and carry that through onto the next films. Because he's Superman and because people idolise him he will have to hold himself to a higher standard."

I pretty much got the last part and that MoS was Superman Begins but this fool actually ignores Supes #1 rule? I mean he gets a pass for Zod because it is either kill me or the world gets destroyed type of thing but if he does it again then that is just not forgivable.

 

[sea manup]

If I ever run into this guy I'm goign to strangler him.
 

David S. Goyer Doesn't Hold To The "SUPERMAN Doesn't Kill" Rule


"We were pretty sure that was going to be controversial, It's not like we were deluding ourselves, and we weren't just doing it to be cool. We felt, in the case of Zod, we wanted to put the character in an impossible situation and make an impossible choice. This is one area, and I've written comic books as well and this is where I disagree with some of my fellow comic book writers - 'Superman doesn't kill'. It's a rule that exists outside of the narrative and I just don't believe in rules like that. I believe when you're writing film or television, you can't rely on a crutch or rule that exists outside of the narrative of the film. So the situation was, Zod says 'I'm not going to stop until you kill me or I kill you.' The reality is no prison on the planet could hold him and in our film Superman can't fly to the moon, and we didn't want to come up with that crutch. Also our movie was in a way Superman Begins, he's not really Superman until the end of the film. We wanted him to have had that experience of having taken a life and carry that through onto the next films. Because he's Superman and because people idolise him he will have to hold himself to a higher standard."

I pretty much got the last part and that MoS was Superman Begins but this fool actually ignores Supes #1 rule? I mean he gets a pass for Zod because it is either kill me or the world gets destroyed type of thing but if he does it again then that is just not forgivable.

hope at some point he becomes evil superman and blows anyone that gets in his way up dr Manhattan style

 

[rfx45]

I wouldn't mind seeing Ultraman and the Crime Syndicate once a JLA has been established and they are a few movies deep with the team. Really like DCs Villains Month right now too.
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