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People are going to have that opinion regardless. Me voicing my disdain for that isn't going to change it. However, being as vocal as those POS at least stops it from being normalized in society.
People are going to have that opinion regardless. Me voicing my disdain for that isn't going to change it. However, being as vocal as those POS at least stops it from being normalized in society.
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Was not aware of this since I don't frequent social media and my feed way different.
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I mean it's apparent even here, why I really stay out of getting too deep in the convo. Don't want to get lumped in with those dudes who are pretending to be purely "free speech" people.
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Some of those guys eventually expose themselves. And I do peep the attempt at blurring the free speech defense on herr at least.
I was coming more from the standpoint of not wanting those ppl to have those opinions. I don't believe in that sort of ideal world everybody is just gonna be of one accord and stop being bigots and stop hating cuz its the right thing to do (that's what Star Trek is for).
I want those ppl to be themselves and voice those opinions so it's out in the open and I/we know who they are.
As far as their speech not being normalized, I agree with that.
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The whole "free speech" and "anti cancel culture" movement is just bigots crying about why they can't freely be that way like the 40s and 50s without social stigma being attached to it.
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I think some people on NT are kinda naive about how much straight-up nonsense would get posted on this board about women and the LGBTQ+ community if the mods said all viewpoints would get equal consideration.
Like I actually hold back posting certain things because I noticed years ago because some people would repurpose something I said to defend some stupid ****
Besides someone going off on me about my reps, or telling me they have hated me for years and I am ruining NT
, the thing I hate the most is being told I was brought up in another thread and someone claiming I cosigned their ****.
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My favorite example of this is when I said one time that the status quo in family courts hurt fathers and mothers in different ways
Ninja remixed that into me agreeing with him that "da radical feminists are outta control".
But it wasn't exactly like that, and he called me something like the "da liberal pied piper of NT"
Ninja remixed that into me agreeing with him that "da radical feminists are outta control".
But it wasn't exactly like that, and he called me something like the "da liberal pied piper of NT"
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That kind of applies to anything in a lot of work places
Employees have the "right" to find anything offensive/uncomfortable
Crowd looks exactly like I thought it would
"we suffer like YOU suffer"
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I think this pretty much sums up everything dave was sayin in his special.
empathy…punching down.
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Yea this place would look like stormfront if the mods didn't step in. A lot of posts on NT reek of insecurity driven toxic masculinity.
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That’s Majin Buu after the separation
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I was thinking more along the lines of Krang
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That implies a brain
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@ “He’s holding a WEAPONNNNNN”
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I mean I can't really think of a situation at work where it would be appropriate to talk about it. Somethings I just leave out of the workplace.
EDIT: Unless you work at Netflix.
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I think Dave has some guilt in the suicide, and he wants either to consciously or subconsciously the trans community, cancel culture and social media to have some guilt or at least some awareness of what what they did and continue to do.
There was some anger in his words, like I gave money, what did you do? That was cringe worthy.
It's easy to say that if Dave doesn't say certain things, she doesn't have to defend him and is still alive, but there's a flip side and obviously there's some bigger issues she was dealing with.
But instead of having some introspection and provoking thought, everyone got on the defense and attack and are having a different conversation.
There was some anger in his words, like I gave money, what did you do? That was cringe worthy.
It's easy to say that if Dave doesn't say certain things, she doesn't have to defend him and is still alive, but there's a flip side and obviously there's some bigger issues she was dealing with.
But instead of having some introspection and provoking thought, everyone got on the defense and attack and are having a different conversation.
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For me I just feel like the context of comedy is different.
We all know what we sign up for, a comedian goes on stage and explores the bounds of language to generate laughter
and sometimes produce interesting insights into the human condition.
so I give comedy a much wider birth when it comes to language because pushing the limits is inherit to the genre.
Louis CK had a whole bit bout the N-word where he used the word.
Do I love that bit? no. did that make some white kid somewhere on the justify his use of the n-word?, maybe.
I just don't think comedy should never use offensive language, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize it if it does.
-I think the discussions, arguments, and disagreements, about how public discourse becomes less hostile towards marginalized groups are always gonna happen. I don't bemoan them like you do. Like in the late 90s and early 200s there were still debates of whether white people should be allowed to say the n-word in comedy routines and if it should be allowed to use the word "gay" to describe something in a negative light. If the f-word was acceptable. Hell during that time there were other derogatory names transgender people were often referred to. It was said that liberal elites were policing language too strictly for them too. Hell, stuff like black face is another example. Black people elite or working-class by themselves had little power to change this. It wasn't until so-called liberal elites join in chastizing certain behavior we saw movement against them. Like I'm supposed to bemoan progressive elites denying society some quality black face comedy?
Like I said I think it's important to debate where we draw the line to balance fairness and inclusion vs liberty and free expressions.
but my problem is people escalating claims of harm to shut down that debate
I think most people can roll with, don't use slurs. (which dave does not do in The Closer. )
it won't happen, yes, but it's pretty clearly what they want.
and even if they aren't capable of achieving that end goal I think the impulse is bad.
and every other person who creates art for public consumption who is not as big as dave or Louis was (aka 99% of artists)
needs to live in terror of taking any risks with their art. again
maybe im biased, i love art, I work in media, So I think it's very very bad,
strong claims require stronger evidence, the connection between unemployment and murder rates has a lot more evidence behind it than
The Closer's connection to violence against trans people.
and I don't think constantly harping on it is a reasonable way to discuss these matters.
it's raising the temperature and making impossible to convince anyone of anything.
like if you were having an argument with an inflation hawk economist, would you then tell him, "you're views are going to lead to murdered black people?"
even if that's true in some technical sense is that a reasonable way to have a discussion?
you think there is any chance you're gunna convince that dude of anything, once you escalate the stakes that high?
it's just gunna shut down debate.
I think the relationship is pretty direct, the example I posted previously comes to mind.
Progressive Toronto city counselors admonishing people for not using the term "unhoused"
...and then voting against allowing rooming houses in the city.
when you make things about adhering to speech codes, it makes really easy for hucksters and liars to hack your political movement.
Krysten Sinema former green party leftist, now strong opponent of higher taxes for rich people seems to have run this jig.
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You don't talk to your coworkers about current events or things you watch on TV?
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Technically my coworkers are teenagers so I have to tread carefully over controversial topics. Most of the other teachers are old enough to be my parents so nah not really.
