Amazing how went from this:
white LGBTQ people use black trans lives as a bloody shirt to enforce their preferred speech environment.
ah here we go, wrapping yourself in the opinions of trans activist of color to delegitimize dissenting opinion.
To this:
I read the essence article, there is no new ground to cover as it makes the same claims.
That White people have a tendency to use other groups as a human shield to promote their own self interests is a very real and disingenuous tactic that effectively silences all those they presumptuously attempt to speak
for.
You are unwittingly engaged in the same reductive practice, lumping together all criticism of the special and then attributing it to White people, who you can easily dismiss.
Now, you've been asked to engage the views of Black writers and activists in an article and you're dismissing them because they're making "the same claims." That's some interesting transposition.
At least you've finally acknowledged, in the most roundabout manner, the claims you take issue with aren't just being made
about or "on behalf of" Black trans women.
Commenting on the racial dynamics or class dynamics at play in the reaction the closer is not good faith disagreement, it's simply transphobia.
You’re the same one claiming that White trans people invoking the racial dynamics are using Black trans people as a “bloody shirt.” Now invoking the racial dynamics is “transphobia?” What?
You just acknowledged that White people aren’t the only ones making these points.
a special that says transwomen are women, supports trans political struggle ect ect is the special that will lead to black trans people dying?
You're cherry picking. There are specific jokes in this special that have been mentioned on numerous occasions that you're choosing to gloss over.
It's one thing to say "trans women are women", but if you're bookending that by comparing trans women to White people in Blackface, calling yourself “trans exclusionary,” and ridiculing trans women's bodies, it comes off as less than totally sincere.
You keep acting like the only harm that matters is a hate crime directly motivated by this one special while ignoring how, for example, it might feel to walk into school this week and listening to kids comparing your body to "Beyond Meat,” or what it would feel like come into a thread like this one and see everyone praising Dave for his “bravery.”
Again,
this dynamic reportedly factored into Dave’s decision to walk away from his Comedy Central show, so if it were your contention that jokes can’t have any meaningful effect on society or inequality, you’d be disagreeing with Dave himself.
Richard Pryor removed racial slurs from his act for similar reasons. Both comedians were mindful of their intentions and how they squared with the audience’s reactions.
They understood the difference between being laughed
with and laughed
at - which Dave invokes at the end of his set. He recognizes this distinction at a very personal level.
It is hard to dispute that much of Dave’s material about trans people invites audiences to laugh
at them.
quotes the HRC and implies that it's anti trans bigotry that is driving the deaths.
again i don't agree with that, and even if I did, I would not define the closer as anti trans.
You're basically trying to "yah I don't agree" the idea that trans people are disproportionately subject to violence and suicide for any reason other than
bad luck.
You've called them a "super minority."
So let's clarify your position: do you believe that trans people enjoy enhanced safety or protection relative to their cishet counterparts?
Do you believe that the prevalence of mainstream transphobic content has no impact on the wellbeing of trans people?
