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Doesn't this strategy feel familiar?
“People care more about Roseanne’s joke than murders in Chicago” sounds like every Fox News host’s opening diatribe.
I’m not sure why so many people who ought to know better refuse to see that they're resorting to the same miserable tactic.
The toxic core of this is the belief that trans people are just White people who are choosing to go against the grain and competing with other groups for acceptance/progress, as if equality is a finite resource that can only be dispensed one sub-population at a time.
Dave has reformulated this belief multiple times now. "If we'd just (insert crude gay/trans stereotype) we would've been safer/more free."
Redundantly, we don't live single issue lives.
There are some White feminists who are resentful that Black men gained the right to vote before White women. (If only in theory. Voting rights in practice were - and are - another matter.) Black men were not the reason White women were denied suffrage. If anything, the expansion of the electorate to become more inclusive than just White, male landowners helped women finally gain voting rights. A White woman would've been elected President of the United States had the majority of White women supported her instead of an alleged rapist.
The "zero sum" framing is utterly counterproductive, divisive to the point of disempowerment, and has been central to Russian troll farms' disinformation campaigns designed, ultimately, to benefit White nationalist candidates and weaken the United States.
That's the "central question?" No, that's your smokescreen.
You're trying to drag the argument to a debate over a particular statistic - which I did not even cite in this topic – to distract from the broader, and undeniably valid, point that trans people, and especially Black trans people, are subject to hate crimes, suicide, and violence disproportionate to their share of the population. The links I included were all from reputable outlets, among them a list by the HRC of trans people who were murdered last year. That list alone is more than sufficient evidence to demonstrate that violence against trans people is a problem, with or without the one stat you're "just asking questions" about, and yet you've decided that it would be enjoyable to bring to the discussion an article from the equivalent of trutheagle.gun pinched out by somebody who characterizes hate crimes against trans people as a hoax.
You are simultaneously attempting to dismiss a statistic as being “unscientific” compared to medical research while attempting to substantiate your own view by plopping a few keywords into Google to see if anyone out there in the world will validate your prejudices for you. When you managed to find two, your “work” was done.
That is why I compared your “research” to that of anti-vaxxers. You weren't looking to inform yourself; you were groping around for anything that fit your preconceived argument.
Tell us: did you even read the links you posted? Were you aware that the author of one is a MAGA supporter playing Sandy Hook truther with hate crimes against trans people?
And you, of all people, have the temerity to question anyone else's sources?
It's instructive that you're trying to talk about a life expectancy statistic that wasn't central to in any post in this thread and ignoring the many references to specific statements included in "The Closer."
But that's what we've come to expect from you.
Stop using her to dismiss the actual issue, as if only privileged White people care or are affected by this:
Focusing on 'Dear White People' Showrunner Ignores The Black Trans Women Who Will Suffer For Dave Chappelle’s Rhetoric | Essence
It’s no coincidence this is the conversation people opted to have instead of the one about transphobia. It’s much easier to focus on the oppression we experience rather than the oppression we inflict.
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Search NikeTalk for the phrase "elite manners" or "fancy manners."
Breaking news: cishet man thinks anti-trans humor isn't a big deal.
It's like asking John Rocker if he has an issue with Chief Wahoo.
This subject, like most of the things you bicker about, doesn't affect you directly. You say you're not a Joe Rogan fan, but you go into the Joe Rogan thread on a message board and defend him. You don't live in the United States, but you want to argue with people who do because you think our desire to defund the police goes "too far."
You seem to find amusement in watching people get worked up to combat the low-effort, low-information contrarian talking points you snidely throw around to feel like an "independent thinker." When continuing the discussion becomes too taxing for you, you slink away every time.
Unlike you, I don't enjoy arguing on the Internet. There are literally hundreds of things I'd rather be doing right now, but I've accepted the responsibility of attempting to help manage an inclusive online community and, at the moment, this Dave Chapelle special is undeniably emboldening a lot of behavior that is overtly hostile and demeaning towards trans people – the worst of which you will hopefully never get the opportunity to read, because I have to sit here waiting for it to be posted. And I rarely have to wait long.
This is not Joe Lieberman arguing that violent video games will turn children into mass murderers. This is a situation where people are repeating verbatim content that is hurtful to a marginalized and oppressed population, and taking license from that content to express similar prejudices – often to even greater extremes. The harms here aren't speculative or theoretical, nor must they be directly linked to a murder to matter.
There's a whole lot more going on in the world Dave can talk about.
