Boardwalk Empire Season 5 Thread - Series Finale - Eldorado

[Master Zik]

Can you guys seriously take this to PM's?...

This is ridiculous already.

I don't know about anyone else but whenever I see you two going back & forth I literally read 0% of your posts.

Never scrolled down a page so fast  .

I mean it's just a back and forth but I was told by a few ppl in pm not to bother anymore with dude so maybe I'll just ignore his next reply

Are yall really being stopped from discussing the show?

Lets not pretend this thread don't slip to the 3rd pg until Sunday rolls around

 

[gregzzy23]

How about the rumor that the reason Jimmy was killed off was because Michael Pitt was an absolute pain in the *** to work with, anybody hear/read about that? I stumbled upon it the other day and apparently someone from the set of boardwalk and another person from a set of a movie Michael Pitt did, both said he was a jerk. The boardwalk set dude apparently has predicted a lot of stuff on the show that eventually happened (on reddit).

The plan, according to him, was for JImmy and his wife to move to NY but they couldn't stand him so much on set he was killed off. A damn shame if thats true..and I'm inclined to believe it is because he was such a prominent character to be killed off so early.

 

[macbk]

How about the rumor that the reason Jimmy was killed off was because Michael Pitt was an absolute pain in the *** to work with, anybody hear/read about that? I stumbled upon it the other day and apparently someone from the set of boardwalk and another person from a set of a movie Michael Pitt did, both said he was a jerk. The boardwalk set dude apparently has predicted a lot of stuff on the show that eventually happened (on reddit).

The plan, according to him, was for JImmy and his wife to move to NY but they couldn't stand him so much on set he was killed off. A damn shame if thats true..and I'm inclined to believe it is because he was such a prominent character to be killed off so early.

Heard this as well. In fact, I have friends of mine who had a meeting with Terry Winter sometime last year and he said that was the case. He also said killing off Richard was the hardest thing he had to do to the show.

I remember when Jimmy was offed. I was shocked, jumped on my couch type of reaction. But then I realized the show would be fine without him. I still have friends butt hurt over it .

 

[Master Zik]

Yeah we talked about that for like 2 seasons once the rumors were posted in here

Ended up coming out with some fans still pining for Jimmy being on the show talking about killing Jimmy was a mistake or that the show fell off since his death.

IMO, Jimmy's story was told and had a good ending. Stuff like banging his moms, his wife being bi, then his own personal problems and limits really made it so he wasn't a long term character.

He was never gonna run **** in AC and every other important place was taken by Lucky and Meyer, and Al.

 

[shogun]

Watching the show made me want to get his haircut. Sucks if the rumors were true about him. Someone on that set should've put him in his place. He's on hannibal now, wonder if he's causing any problems there.

 

[dathbgboy]

Yeah we talked about that for like 2 seasons once the rumors were posted in here

Ended up coming out with some fans still pining for Jimmy being on the show talking about killing Jimmy was a mistake or that the show fell off since his death.

IMO, Jimmy's story was told and had a good ending. Stuff like banging his moms, his wife being bi, then his own personal problems and limits really made it so he wasn't a long term character.

He was never gonna run **** in AC and every other important place was taken by Lucky and Meyer, and Al.

My thoughts exactly. Nucky wasn't ever trust him again after trying to fade him so it's not like he could've been Nucky's right hand man.

I think the only reason Eli is still alive is because he has like 100 kids and it'd be in bad taste I suppose

 

[had pants]

How about the rumor that the reason Jimmy was killed off was because Michael Pitt was an absolute pain in the *** to work with, anybody hear/read about that?

Yeah, I read about that too. Given the turn of events and considerable empirical evidence of how the plot progressed capriciously (S2), it's not too far-fetched and appears valid. Guess his ego got the best of him. I wonder what if he had stayed and how everything would play out. What a shame.

 

[hand2handking]

Originally Posted by Master Zik  

1) that carolyn wont/cant sue

Not Margaret. She can sue the firm. That's who is liable.

 The firm don't even have the money to pay this so she'd be wasting her time.

It's a bluff

how can you just say its a bluff? what information do you have that i dont?

She said she was going to make sure she was in the papers and shamed just like her. She's equating what she went through

Yea but the piece that you are missing is that in order to put margaret in the paper, there needs to be the sensationalism of a trial.  Carolyn was shamed because she was married to rothstein and because she had to publicly sell all of her belongings. The court will shame margaret publicly when they rule in Carolyn's favor.

When did I say this? Quote me please. When did I say the company isn't scared of a lawsuit? You're literally making stuff up as you accuse me of making stuff up. Seems you misunderstood something I said and just kept going assuming that.

All I said is they're going to be bankrupt like Maragret said.

No it isn't. First she said her lawyer told she'd get the money from the account. Then when told the company is almost bankrupt said she would "personally sue" Margaret. That is two different things not one in the same 

like i said she can sue either one or both of them, its the same thing.  if she sues the company, margaret is still part of that case.  she doesnt get absolved of wrongdoing.  like youre really just playing semantics, the company is obviously worried about a lawsuit.

The only evidence that exists is her signatures for when her boss was still using the money from AR's account after he died

 there's no criminal evidence that'd send Margaret to jail.

When did I say this?

This seems more like I said something you didn't understand it so you assumed this which is becoming a trend with your list 

 That's not Margaret's job. She doesn't handle the money. She doesn't handle accounts. Do you know what her job was? 

He won't. What is he being sued for?

it is true that they're still married the threat (of being sued) actually works

carolyn is blackmailing with no evidence

She is. Her card is revealing Margaret is Nuck's wife. She wants money and she doesn't care who it is from.

"Revealing" that they are married doesnt get her any money.  Think about it, Nucky says he's not going to pay.  Carolyn goes to the papers and reveals that notorious gangster nucky thompson is married to margeret schroeder.  where in this scenario does Carolyn get paid?

now try this.  Carolyn sues Margaret.  Court documents reveal margarets real name is thompson.  newspapers find out that a lady on trial against carolyn rothstein is none other than the wife of notorious gangster nucky thompson. not only that, but as the husband of the defendant,  they are both on trial as carolyn's settlement will be between them.   nucky is even asked to give public testimony about his wife. she loses the case, carolyn gets paid, and margarets out on the street.

margaret didnt come to see nucky because carolyn might expose her as his wife, its because she has the means to sue her, by extension and him as well.

 

[hand2handking]

Stop it.

 da ****? 

 

[hand2handking]

Originally Posted by Master Zik  

No she specifically said she wanted over a 100k  the money legally entitled to in the account,  or else your name and husband's will be all over the newspaper like hers were. That's blackmail.
 

If she was gonna sue her she'd just sue her.

Why should Nucky know about the deal? It's Margaret's deal that has nothing to do with Nucky. 

The deal worked for her up until AR's death. Nothing about it has shown her naivety or ignorance.

She's not even facing the consequences of the crime she took part in. 

Actually no. Her company doesn't suspect her at all for what her dead boss did.

None of what she did can even be traced back to her.

The illegal account her boss was still using after AR's death has nothing to do with her.

Her deal died with AR.

 this blackmail plan wouldn't have went anywhere since Margaret doesn't have the money.

[exactly why its not a blackmail plan, its a lawsuit plan]
Basically, give me the illegal money AR was making  the money in the account she's legally entitled to  or else I'll reveal to everyone you're  sue Nucky Thompson's wife living in the city.

This has absolutely nothing to do with suing anybody

 [except margaret and nucky, the threat of the lawsuit is real]

You can't sue somebody for money they don't have [yes you can]  and especially not for stolen money they didn't even steal.   [stolen money they helped get stolen]

 

[nako xl]

 

How about the rumor that the reason Jimmy was killed off was because Michael Pitt was an absolute pain in the *** to work with, anybody hear/read about that?

Yeah, I read about that too. Given the turn of events and considerable empirical evidence of how the plot progressed capriciously (S2), it's not too far-fetched and appears valid. Guess his ego got the best of him. I wonder what if he had stayed and how everything would play out. What a shame.

The show was conceived to be about Jimmy, a fictional character in a historical fiction world filled with real people.

Then Michael Pitt turned out to be a **** so they killed him off, shrugged at each other in the writer's room and were like "I guess now we focus the whole thing on the least interesting character in the show?" (Nucky.)

 

[shogun]

Should've just used the jimmy lookalike that Gillian had.

 

[Master Zik]

Due to popular request, the way you choose to reply, and your hatred for Margaret fueling this nonsense Imma just pretend I don't have to repeat myself again, ignore your post (both of them), and that you somehow suddenly understand what I'm saying without me having to explain it to you again like an epiphany and you realized you were in error.

Yeah we talked about that for like 2 seasons once the rumors were posted in here

Ended up coming out with some fans still pining for Jimmy being on the show talking about killing Jimmy was a mistake or that the show fell off since his death.

IMO, Jimmy's story was told and had a good ending. Stuff like banging his moms, his wife being bi, then his own personal problems and limits really made it so he wasn't a long term character.

He was never gonna run **** in AC and every other important place was taken by Lucky and Meyer, and Al.

My thoughts exactly. Nucky wasn't ever trust him again after trying to fade him so it's not like he could've been Nucky's right hand man.

I think the only reason Eli is still alive is because he has like 100 kids and it'd be in bad taste I suppose

The first time he put him in jail hoping he learned his lesson cuz he's family.

If Eli's son didn't show up last time though I'm pretty sure Nucky kills him but once again cuz he's fam he let it slide.

Nuck basically groomed his son to be what Eli failed to be

 

[hand2handking]

Originally Posted by Master Zik  

you were in error.

hbo disagrees.

 

[hand2handking]

all this love for a woman who gave away 10 million 

ol sucka for love ****** 

 

[deleted]

Let it go b

 

[hand2handking]

why would i do something like that?

 

[hand2handking]

 It's that her character has none of the humility you would expect given her circumstances. She's very much an ingrate. She was a broke immigrant living with a husband her abused her so badly she miscarried, and yet she's instantly finding the time to attend to women's rights issues, and is highly judgmental of how Nucky conduct's business and where other people's priorities should lay. She came from nothing, and yet here she is signing away millions of dollars worth of land away, for whatever reason she might have, a short time later. If you knew a person like this in real life who so thoroughly detaches where they are now from where they just came from, and I know several, you would be annoyed by them too. I think the only reason anyone is second guessing their feelings about the character is because *they think the actress happens to be attractive, I suppose... I don't see it myself.

I think with Margaret, it's a one step forward, two steps back thing. She started as a Fresh of the boat, Irish transplant ragamuffin, already on baby #3 (#4 if you count her FIRST miscarriage on the way over from Ireland) who was married to an abusive, boozehound, gambling ****head of a husband. Though the circumstances were not quite perfect, she still got herself out of that, into the dress shop, and then later, not having to work at all. She eventually got a nice home for herself and her children with servants. She's come so far from where she started, but anytime she starts getting ahead (as we the viewer see) it's Margaret herself who blows everything up and takes two steps backward. In s01, she almost did it except she found the Rag (meaning you'll be poor/destitute in a year) in that barnbrack cake, so she goes back to Nucky.
In s02, she's becoming a confident woman, reaching out to her family, thriving in her new home, then Emily gets polio and her older brother makes some condescending remarks and she flips her ****, gets quasi-religious again, and takes two steps back, what does she then do? reconcile with Nucky and marry him.

I guess that's why s03 margaret is the way she is, she gets forward (the women's health clinic), takes her two steps back, but this time, we see, SHE DOESN'T return to Nucky in the end. Either way, it's basically her taking these steps backward, not of anyone else's accord (like Luciano and Lansky and Rothstein, he FORCED them to step the **** back), how do you continue to root for someone who keeps sabotaging themselves?

 I think the hypocritical thing is what really bugs me the most about her character. The way she gives herself to Nucky, knowing quite well where the money comes from, and then trying to repent by giving money to the church when her kid gets polio. I think the act of contrition of given everything to the church is like she's buying herself into forgiveness. But before her kid got sick she knew very well what she was doing. And the way she acts all pious and pure at the end of season 3 when she rejects Nucky's money is just the last straw. She is corrupt like all of them but she is only fooling herself.

I think underlying problem with Margaret is that she seems more ungrateful than we imagine we would be if we had been saved from a poor, abusive husband and scooped up by a wealthy, powerful, connected partner who adored us, and that the writing could have been better in either a) not making her so ungrateful, or b) better explaining her lack of gratitude.

 When one thinks of Nucky Thompson, the words "manipulative," "duplicitous," "cunning" and "greedy" certainly come to mind. "Adulterer"? Not so much. Sure, he's had a couple of topless women in his lap since bringing Irish widow Margaret Schroeder into his fold, but the one thing he hasn't  done is flat-out cheated on his live-in mistress. That's why it's a little hard to support Margaret's decision to have a sunset tryst with her benefactor's IRA-connected bodyguard.

 Margaret's decision to shack up with Nucky back in Season One was both contemptible and understandable. He was responsible for the death of her abusive husband, yet he provided comfort and security for Margaret and her children during a time when women had limited options. But Margaret's pact with the devil continued to weigh heavily on her conscience even as she reaped the benefits of her newfound wealth and power. When her daughter, Emily, was stricken with polio, Margaret saw it as a punishment for her sinful ways. Desperate to settle her debt with God, Margaret – Nucky's wife at this point – signs over the deed to a large portion of land her husband had given to her for safekeeping during his election-fraud scandal to St. Finbar's Church. Her decision effectively ruins Nucky's intended lucrative deal for additional roads to Atlantic City – and, most likely, her brand-new marriage.

 

[Master Zik]

you were in error.

hbo disagrees.

Not my fault you misinterpreted what HBO says.

You right, this all about your low reading comprehension.

all this love for a woman who gave away 10 million 

ol sucka for love ****** 

You must be talking about Nucky.

Don't confuse your hatred for Margaret and me disagreeing with you as my love for Margaret.

You just gotta problem and can't let it go Posts ago your hate was so strong you were trying to say a fictional charter help cause the Wall street crash

 

[ASE]

The show was conceived to be about Jimmy, a fictional character in a historical fiction world filled with real people.

Then Michael Pitt turned out to be a **** so they killed him off, shrugged at each other in the writer's room and were like "I guess now we focus the whole thing on the least interesting character in the show?" (Nucky.)

This makes a lot of sense, but I like nucky so I'm not even mad.

 

[Master Zik]

 

How about the rumor that the reason Jimmy was killed off was because Michael Pitt was an absolute pain in the *** to work with, anybody hear/read about that?

Yeah, I read about that too. Given the turn of events and considerable empirical evidence of how the plot progressed capriciously (S2), it's not too far-fetched and appears valid. Guess his ego got the best of him. I wonder what if he had stayed and how everything would play out. What a shame.

The show was conceived to be about Jimmy, a fictional character in a historical fiction world filled with real people.

Then Michael Pitt turned out to be a **** so they killed him off, shrugged at each other in the writer's room and were like "I guess now we focus the whole thing on the least interesting character in the show?" (Nucky.)

Lies.

 

[hand2handking]

Originally Posted by Master Zik  

Not my fault you misinterpreted what HBO says.

i didnt misinterpret anything, you are disagreeing with the synopsis.

Posts ago your hate was so strong you were trying to say a fictional charter help cause the Wall street crash 

 

now youre twisting my words.  i said what margaret was doing was representative of the shady stuff going on on wall st that led to the crash.  giving inside information, looking the other way when her boss was using the money, it all contributed is what im saying.

why do you think they even had margaret on wall st if it wasnt in some way to illustrate in an organic way how the stock crash happened?

 

[Master Zik]

Not my fault you misinterpreted what HBO says.

i didnt misinterpret anything, you are disagreeing with the synopsis.

Posts ago your hate was so strong you were trying to say a fictional charter help cause the Wall street crash   

now youre twisting my words.  i said what margaret was doing was representative of the shady stuff going on on wall st that led to the crash.  giving inside information, looking the other way when her boss was using the money, it all contributed is what im saying.

why do you think they even had margaret on wall st if it wasnt in some way to illustrate in an organic way how the stock crash happened?

YAWN.

 

[robtoofresco]

 
The show was conceived to be about Jimmy, a fictional character in a historical fiction world filled with real people.

Then Michael Pitt turned out to be a **** so they killed him off, shrugged at each other in the writer's room and were like "I guess now we focus the whole thing on the least interesting character in the show?" (Nucky.)

Idk, kind of sounds like DuckTales to me. 

 

[hand2handking]

YAWN.

yea i know 

 i proved you wrong so u got nothing else to say