Boardwalk Empire Season 5 Thread - Series Finale - Eldorado

margaret so stupid once again now she wants nucky to kill poor old rothsteins wife :{
No she didn't and nobody should be feeling bad for AR's wife given how she acted in that one scene she showed up n.
now her manipulatin *** is flirting w nucky to get what she wants, and tryna make sure he aint with nobody n ish :{
If anything seems like Nucky is manipulating her. He straight up told her she's going to handle the situation not him.
 
Why exactly did they never divorce? She has dirt on him, he can have her killed any moment, its a wash. Is it just a money thing, Nucky doesnt want to give her half. I dont get it
 
How'd she come off as manipulative?


Why exactly did they never divorce? She has dirt on him, he can have her killed any moment, its a wash. Is it just a money thing, Nucky doesnt want to give her half. I dont get it


I think the Catholic Church was very strict about granting divorces back then. At least that is what I got when Nucky made reference to her church when they mentioned their marriage.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing how Nucky is going to manage with the Bacardi deal having no legs. I'm also wondering if he will find out how Sally really died or will he think that she was hit by Lucky and Lanksy once he gets the call from Al. Also wonder what his angle is with this AR's widow situation. It seems like he has a scheme up his sleeve with that situation to make money somehow.

Good episode.
 
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How'd she come off as manipulative?
so poppin up on ur estranged husband in the middle of the night to ask for a "favor" is not manipulative?  she thought all she had to do was bat her eyelashes and nucky will save her 
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margaret so stupid once again now she wants nucky to kill poor old rothsteins wife 
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No she didn't and nobody should be feeling bad for AR's wife given how she acted in that one scene she showed up n.
now her manipulatin *** is flirting w nucky to get what she wants, and tryna make sure he aint with nobody n ish 
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If anything seems like Nucky is manipulating her. He straight up told her she's going to handle the situation not him.
AR's wife comes across as bitter, heartbroken, devastated, betrayed, embarrassed and angry.  she didnt marry AR the gangster who's dirty laundry was aired after he died, she married the man who liked mik and cookies 
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  all the vitriol headed AR's way probably landed on her doorstep after he died, and so shes just lashing out at whoever she can, and in this case rightfully so.  what margaret did was illegal, and she just thinks she is supposed to be above reproach / below the radar.

how can nucky be manipulatin her when ITS HER SITUATION? she went into to business with AR, not nucky, he didnt even know about it. this is her mess, and shes running to nucky to clean it up.  she thought she was smart enough to roll with the big dogs, and now she'll have to get her hands dirty.
 
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- The teenager serving the drink to Doyle; I wonder if there's any significance there.
- A little obvious of an ending for the goon who doesn't know when to stop laughing. :lol
- Commodore quickly covering up those pictures with the map of AC. :{
- Margaret's presence didn't exasperate me as much as I thought she would. Maybe because as mentioned above, Nuck's definitely got something up his sleeves.
- As for the flashbacks, a very emotional scene when young Nucky and Eli joined the Sheriff's family for supper. What a quick turn of events. Have a feeling the kind Sheriff is in precariously though at the hands of the Commodore.
- Poor Sassy Sally. The title of the episode is 'Cuanto' so I wonder if it was when she said those words that her fate was sealed.
- Luciano is that dude. They should make a spin-off of him as the center. Salvatore planting seeds for The Commission. :Nthat
- No Chalky...

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Margaret showed up to warn Nucky about Mrs Rothstein's threats of extortion.

If she gets exposed, Nucky does too.

She did the right thing.
 
Margaret showed up to warn Nucky about Mrs Rothstein's threats of extortion.

If she gets exposed, Nucky does too.

She did the right thing.
That was the right thing.  Trying to get a "free" ride to NY though, in front of Nucky too?
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I like this new Margaret too.

Amazing how likeable Margaret was this episode, she should always be on the sauce.


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Yea, Margaret became likeable again once she had that wine up in her... Made me almost forgive her for the Owen Slater affair...

Nuck is slick with the approach though. Handled her with ease through the convos and told her to stay the night by herself when she threw the P at him on the Boardwalk... Gave her the cold shoulder and mosied off gracefully :hat

Now, that Sally's dead, and Margaret is teaching the bodyguard English... I can see that the story could go as Maraget fleeing the country and taking things over for Nuck in Havanna...



nucky's dad smashin mom and him tellin the sheriff he was hurting her :rollin

I think he really was abusing her. You saw how the pops hit Nuck with that quick right at the dinner table. I'm sure he went crazy on the moms some points in his childhood and not just with that sex scene...

Nuck plotting to get his pops killed reminds me of The Wire when Michael went to Chris and Snoop to get rid of his step-pops. 8o




LOL @ the highlight tape of Al Capone and his killings...

Him and his henchmen provide the lols... I stay laughing at the TV screen with a 'wise-guy' laugh...

"How do you f__k up a wheat farm?!?" :lol :lol



 
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How'd she come off as manipulative?

so poppin up on ur estranged husband in the middle of the night to ask for a "favor" is not manipulative?  she thought all she had to do was bat her eyelashes and nucky will save her :{
 
margaret so stupid once again now she wants nucky to kill poor old rothsteins wife :{
No she didn't and nobody should be feeling bad for AR's wife given how she acted in that one scene she showed up n.
now her manipulatin *** is flirting w nucky to get what she wants, and tryna make sure he aint with nobody n ish :{
If anything seems like Nucky is manipulating her. He straight up told her she's going to handle the situation not him.

AR's wife comes across as bitter, heartbroken, devastated, betrayed, embarrassed and angry.  she didnt marry AR the gangster who's dirty laundry was aired after he died, she married the man who liked mik and cookies :lol   all the vitriol headed AR's way probably landed on her doorstep after he died, and so shes just lashing out at whoever she can, and in this case rightfully so.  what margaret did was illegal, and she just thinks she is supposed to be above reproach / below the radar.
So the **** what? If the problem is it being illegal then call the cops on her or prove something illegal was done. Blackmail makes you no better than the person you trying to throw shade on.

I'd easily just threaten AR's wife life and be done with it.
how can nucky be manipulatin her when ITS HER SITUATION? she went into to business with AR, not nucky, he didnt even know about it. this is her mess, and shes running to nucky to clean it up.  she thought she was smart enough to roll with the big dogs, and now she'll have to get her hands dirty.
Simple. He told her she's going to deal with it and make the deal. She's the one that got drunk and motivated by Nucky. It's her problem and she's dealing with it. Telling her how impressive it was that she managed a deal with AR to not rely on him.

It doesn't need to be his situation or know about it beforehand. She came to him, told him everything. Nucky basically spun her around in a circle until she got dizzy and sent her on her way. Nucky at no point showed any concern with this cuz he's smarter than her. Once he heard it was AR's wife he knew he had nothing to worry about. This just a struggling angry widow. If Margaret didn't ask after throwing the vagina at Nucky and denied he probably wouldn't have told her anything or done anything about it and just let her deal with it next time AR's wife came to see her.

What big dogs? You talking like she was bootlegging rum behind Masseria's back :lol All she did was take advantage of her job so that somebody could give her free room and board. Then the wife of dude she did the deal with comes crying all angry trying to get money out of a situation where she thinks she has the upper hand. This is not a big deal. It'd be much easier to kill this broad and be done with it but Nucky basically told Margaret that she's going to take a pittance and be quiet and she's gonna be the messenger. This is not some huge world shattering scandal. She aint kill nobody. Barely got her hands dirty. This is white collar crime :lol
 
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Meyer Lansky too. I'd sign up for a spinoff show just about NY in a minute
THIS. Would be great to watch the modern American Mafia in their early years & I'm sure they'd have to include the notorious Murder Inc. in it. Wow would that showbe great if done right & these actors (Luciano, Meyer & Bugsy) would want to reprise their roles & commit.
 
i guess cuz this is tv we can just kill anybody 
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I'd easily just threaten AR's wife life and be done with it.
how can nucky be manipulatin her when ITS HER SITUATION? she went into to business with AR, not nucky, he didnt even know about it. this is her mess, and shes running to nucky to clean it up.  she thought she was smart enough to roll with the big dogs, and now she'll have to get her hands dirty.
Simple. He told her she's going to deal with it and make the deal. She's the one that got drunk and motivated by Nucky. It's her problem and she's dealing with it. Telling her how impressive it was that she managed a deal with AR to not rely on him.

It doesn't need to be his situation or know about it beforehand. She came to him, told him everything. Nucky basically spun her around in a circle until she got dizzy and sent her on her way. Nucky at no point showed any concern with this cuz he's smarter than her. Once he heard it was AR's wife he knew he had nothing to worry about. This just a struggling angry widow. If Margaret didn't ask after throwing the vagina at Nucky and denied he probably wouldn't have told her anything or done anything about it and just let her deal with it next time AR's wife came to see her.

What big dogs? You talking like she was bootlegging rum behind Masseria's back 
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 All she did was take advantage of her job so that somebody could give her free room and board. Then the wife of dude she did the deal with comes crying all angry trying to get money out of a situation where she thinks she has the upper hand. This is not a big deal. It'd be much easier to kill this broad and be done with it but Nucky basically told Margaret that she's going to take a pittance and be quiet and she's gonna be the messenger. This is not some huge world shattering scandal. She aint kill nobody. Barely got her hands dirty. This is white collar crime 
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he told her shes going to deal with it because its her problem.  he wants nothing to do with any of it, but of course he has to pay because margeret isnt going to do it.

mirror her flirting with kennedy with her relationship with AR thru nucky's eyes.  the same way she flirting and ready to give it up to the rich guy kennedy is what he was seeing as happening with her and AR.  he knows she just out for a sugar daddy, but this nucky is wisened now.  thats why he told her all that about when he first saw her how he wanted to save.  but that's all in the past now, thats why he walked off on her at the end.  the old nucky would have insisted she stay the night.

as far as margeret's criminal behavior, you have to remember this is in the midst of the great depression.  what she did was in part to blame for that so its not some little petty thing she did.  furthermore, its not about the scale or degree of the crime she committed.  

she left nucky because she wanted no part of that life, and refused on principal.  now she's iving on the straight and narrow, taking care of things legit.  along comes AR and what does she do?  go behind nuckys back for one, and then actually think she doin something cuz she got an apartment 
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like nucky said, she shoulda got a percentage but she too dumb to think like that.  but she already went ahead and took the risk for her own benefit and selfish, materialistic desire.  

now that she has to answer for her complicity, she wanna KILL this lady? 
 
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i guess cuz this is tv we can just kill anybody :{  

I'd easily just threaten AR's wife life and be done with it.
 
how can nucky be manipulatin her when ITS HER SITUATION? she went into to business with AR, not nucky, he didnt even know about it. this is her mess, and shes running to nucky to clean it up.  she thought she was smart enough to roll with the big dogs, and now she'll have to get her hands dirty.
Simple. He told her she's going to deal with it and make the deal. She's the one that got drunk and motivated by Nucky. It's her problem and she's dealing with it. Telling her how impressive it was that she managed a deal with AR to not rely on him.


It doesn't need to be his situation or know about it beforehand. She came to him, told him everything. Nucky basically spun her around in a circle until she got dizzy and sent her on her way. Nucky at no point showed any concern with this cuz he's smarter than her. Once he heard it was AR's wife he knew he had nothing to worry about. This just a struggling angry widow. If Margaret didn't ask after throwing the vagina at Nucky and denied he probably wouldn't have told her anything or done anything about it and just let her deal with it next time AR's wife came to see her.


What big dogs? You talking like she was bootlegging rum behind Masseria's back :lol  All she did was take advantage of her job so that somebody could give her free room and board. Then the wife of dude she did the deal with comes crying all angry trying to get money out of a situation where she thinks she has the upper hand. This is not a big deal. It'd be much easier to kill this broad and be done with it but Nucky basically told Margaret that she's going to take a pittance and be quiet and she's gonna be the messenger. This is not some huge world shattering scandal. She aint kill nobody. Barely got her hands dirty. This is white collar crime :lol
he told her shes going to deal with it because its her problem.  he wants nothing to do with any of it, but of course he has to pay because margeret isnt going to do it.

mirror her flirting with kennedy with her relationship with AR thru nucky's eyes.  the same way she flirting and ready to give it up to the rich guy kennedy is what he was seeing as happening with her and AR.  he knows she just out for a sugar daddy, but this nucky is wisened now.  thats why he told her all that about when he first saw her how he wanted to save.  but that's all in the past now, thats why he walked off on her at the end.  the old nucky would have insisted she stay the night.
This is just another reason why I'm saying Nucky wasn't manipulated. He manipulated her and then left her high and dry.

She wasn't flirting with Kennedy. They were actually bonding on the old country tip. It only became a thing cuz she thought Nuck was mad about it.

as far as margeret's criminal behavior, you have to remember this is in the midst of the great depression.  what she did was in part to blame for that so its not some little petty thing she did.  furthermore, its not about the scale or degree of the crime she committed.
 
Again so the **** what? This is white collar crime. I don't care when she did it. It doesn't make it worse. Also what she did was not part of the cause for the Great Depression :rollin :rollin You should go back to last season and see what she actually agreed to and what her job was. She didn't fudge stock #s or inflate prices or anything like that. She passed off info to AR so he could make a profit on some investments.

she left nucky because she wanted no part of that life, and refused on principal.  now she's iving on the straight and narrow, taking care of things legit.  along comes AR and what does she do?  go behind nuckys back for one, and then actually think she doin something cuz she got an apartment :lol  
She left Nucky cuz she didn't want apart of that life and went right back to struggling. AR comes along and she makes a business deal albeit criminal not something you'd get killed over. She didn't make a deal with AR to wipe out Narcisse and take over all of the ***** houses in Harlem. She didn't go behind Nucky's back. She left him. To be simple they were separated. There was no behind anybody's back. That's like saying Nucky was banging Sally behind her back. No. He wasn't.

like nucky said, she shoulda got a percentage but she too dumb to think like that.  but she already went ahead and took the risk for her own benefit and selfish, materialistic desire.
 
That's irrelevant. She got free room and board for a specific amount of time. This is the first time she dealt with AR especially with something of this nature. She did not know how far she could bargain with him but again that's irrelevant cuz she was never planning to have this plan going for the rest of her life. She didn't even want his money. Just shelter her children until she saved up enough money to take care of them on her own. Thought this was clear to everybody when this went down.
now that she has to answer for her complicity, she wanna KILL this lady? 
Maybe you should rewatch this ep. When did she say she wanted that? She came to Nuck thinking he'd pay or figure something out. His silence to her questions especially when he said he had a solution and took care of it had her thinking he was gonna kill her. This is what she thinks of him since ol dude showed up in a box in the middle of the night at their place. She knows what Nuck has to do. She was with him when he had to go to war, fearing for her kids. Of course she thinks he'd kill her if it really came down to it but tell me where in this ep did she express the desire to kill her?

But to be even clearer if she wanted to kill AR's wife so the **** what? That's what I think they should do. Eliminate a problem. The **** anybody care about some lady trying to blackmail you? **** this lady. It aint like she picked her out of a crowd. She's trying to blackmail her. If a blackmailer catches a bullet aint nothing to shed a tear about. charge that ***** to the game.
 
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its only cuz she thought she was so smart she could play innocent but even if AR doesnt sue her she's still on the hook with the company 
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its not blackmail she wants to take her to court and sue her
No she specifically said she wanted over a 100k or else your name and husband's will be all over the newspaper like hers were. That's blackmail.

If she was gonna sue her she'd just sue her.
i didnt say margaret manipulated nucky, i said she was manipulative
There's a lot of manipulative ppl on this show. Aint nothing wrong with that.
margaret was giving him inside information which is illegal and all that shady investing is what led to the crash
Fam, you need to separate fiction from real life. What Margaret did with AR did not lead to the crash on Wall Street and the Great Depression :lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

but I won't go in to a history lesson over this.


she did go behind nuckys back because AR asked if he should let nucky know and she said no
That's not going behind Nucky's back. They were separated and remained so for almost 10 years. Why should Nucky know about the deal? It's Margaret's deal that has nothing to do with Nucky. If this is going behind his back then Nucky has been doing the same to her from the very start. It's irrelevant.

margaret was ignorant, naive and in over her head thinking that she could get away with it simply put it was stupid of her to get involved with AR and now she has to deal with the consequences
Seems to me you're just making up your own story now :lol

Not only was Nucky impressed with what she did but he complimented her for it. The deal worked for her up until AR's death. Nothing about it has shown her naivety or ignorance.

She's not even facing the consequences of the crime she took part in. She's dealing with a blackmailer that can be dealt with in numerous ways. She only ****** up when she approached AR's wife.

its only cuz she thought she was so smart she could play innocent but even if AR doesnt sue her she's still on the hook with the company :lol
Actually no. Her company doesn't suspect her at all for what her dead boss did. None of what she did can even be traced back to her. The illegal account her boss was still using after AR's death has nothing to do with her. Her deal died with AR.

Are you laughing cuz you're just making stuff up or what?
 
Schroeder has and always will be a great character in this series. The way she composes herself is pretty amazing for a woman in the late 20s/early 30s although I understand her character is more fabricated than anyone else.

Generally female roles on TV come off as annoying, but she is really really well done IMO.
 
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