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Let them people cook. Idk why Blacks wanna get in a toughie over a word they continue to disrespect themselves with I'm sure their ancestors are looking on with pleasure.
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Originally Posted by Nowitzness41
To better their own race, which actually is what the KKK thought they were doing too. Difference is the KKK originally thought that was to be done by killing and degrading black people. Like i said, it wasnt a fair comparison- I guess Im just as guilty as you and Ricky for being one-sided with my argument. However, my bigger point was to try and diminish the racism and point out that both sides are equally as guilty of racially motivated hatred, and to quit picking one side apart and throwing stones at the other (i just used a bad example)Originally Posted by Deuce King
Originally Posted by Nowitzness41
I only named them because they're both racially motivated groups on opposite sides- Im not involved with either of them, so I cant speak much on what either of them currently do (but we both know the history of the KKK, so my bad for the comparison) But i think you get the rest of what i was saying. It just seemed like a one-sided argument from a few people- that said though, Im against the use of the word,but people are free to do what they want, and can deal with the consequences of their actions
Okay, let's talk about this point for a minute if we can. Why and or how do you feel the Black Panther Party is racially motivated, or better yet what do you think their agenda is??
ok ZimmermanOriginally Posted by Nowitzness41
It doesn't, these jokers who change who they are depending on who they're around are the types of people i cant stand. Ol' fake, people pleasing, trying too hard dudes aint about nothing. See it all the time. That word is not in my vocabulary, but like i said- I will use it if i really want to hurt someone or make someone angryOriginally Posted by DoubleJs07
ilikeTurtles, the word is OK to use if you know the people using it...but if a random dude came up to you and said it, it's disrespect?
How does that make any sense?
Originally Posted by Nowitzness41
Originally Posted by bleach
and it does matter who you're killing, when you imply that more black people in jail for murder = black people are committing more hate crimes than white people
last thing im saying: so if they arent hate crimes (regardless of race), then why kill all the people. Are you saying black people dont have a high regard for human life and will kill for no reason? If thats true, then maybe some of these people are right to be scared and protect their lives and property- none of us were there to know what really happened anyways- its all hearsay- but if you visit that Zimmerman/Trayvon thread- everybody is an eyewitness and expert and are ready to call it a hate crime before all the facts are out. Stop making everything racial and call it what it is, theres just some crappy people out there: white, black, brown, and everything in between
I highly doubt you are even qualified to talk about the Black Panthers, the fact you still think there is some form of the Black Panthers going on is so laughable. Im sure you think the "New" Black Panthers that has been in the media is connected to Bobby Seale huh?Originally Posted by Nowitzness41
Im not exactly sure what you're trying to say here Deuce- but between this and what Ricky409 just said- yall act like old white dudes are the only ones commiting hate crimes. Theres a ton of instances where black dudes kill white men and women, but that doesn't count because theyre just getting us back for the whole slavery thing that we had nothing to do with, right? (maybe our greatgreat great great grandparents). Theres gonna be racism on both sides, but its more prevalent from black people because parents have passed the hate on (atleast where im from). Pick and choose what you want to back up your argument. Ricky, say what you want about the KKK, theres still Black Panthers and such on your side- and i say EFF both of em. You can give examples, but numbers dont lie- and i believe the FACTS are that a higher percentage of black people are in prison for murder than that of any other race. But youre gonna cite a few hate crimes to build your case, how about big picture thoughOriginally Posted by Deuce King
Come on DoubleJ's, don't be naive here champ. When a group of random young white boys doesn't in'tentially run over and kill a black dude like that incident that happened a few years ago down in Mississippi where the boys just got convicted this year then maybe, just maybe you can ask a question like that. Until then please don't. Black folks gotta stop giving white folks a pass for this kind of stuff, no matter how cool or close ya'll think you are to them.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
ilikeTurtles, the word is OK to use if you know the people using it...but if a random dude came up to you and said it, it's disrespect?
How does that make any sense?
http://news.yahoo.com/white-mississippi-teen-gets-life-sentence-black-mans-232536717.html
you completely misinterpreted what im saying. i was saying that most of those black people in jail for murder, murdered other black people!Originally Posted by Nowitzness41
last thing im saying: so if they arent hate crimes (regardless of race), then why kill all the people. Are you saying black people dont have a high regard for human life and will kill for no reason? If thats true, then maybe some of these people are right to be scared and protect their lives and property- none of us were there to know what really happened anyways- its all hearsay- but if you visit that Zimmerman/Trayvon thread- everybody is an eyewitness and expert and are ready to call it a hate crime before all the facts are out. Stop making everything racial and call it what it is, theres just some crappy people out there: white, black, brown, and everything in betweenOriginally Posted by bleach
and it does matter who you're killing, when you imply that more black people in jail for murder = black people are committing more hate crimes than white people
Originally Posted by Deuce King
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Let me ask you something, can you recall or has a white person ever called you the word??
Not that I know of. I've been called racial slurs, but never that.
So did Pablo Escobar, though. And the CripsOriginally Posted by 4318MichaelJohnson4318
You realize the Panthers created schools, ambulance services and provided free breakfest and lunch for children. How is that comparable to a Terrorist Group?
Originally Posted by firmePORvida
Originally Posted by Deuce King
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Not that I know of. I've been called racial slurs, but never that.
That's good, and I'm glad to hear that, truly I am. I'll say this much in regards to you as a black person or any black person like you out there that has your mindset regarding this issue. Not saying you don't DoubleJ's, but if any black person has the knowledge of our history, the struggle and achievements that we have as a race, and knows about the Civil Rights Movement and everyhing prior to that, then I THINK you would feel a little differently and not so open or at ease for a white person to say this word directly to your face or in your presence. Reason being is because you know how and from whence that word originally came from, and the impact it had or still can have.
Maybe you should stop concerning yourself with non-blacks using the N word and start holding blacks accountable for using it. Did blacks struggle and achieve only to have, as one member put it, the right to "own the word"?
Actually deuce, i didnt hear it- ive tried to stay away from all this biased- media brainwashing (although a 911 tape would be solid evidence depending on what was said)
Please do yourself a favor before you speak or take a stand on a certain matter before you introduce yourself to the facts of the matter at hand, and educate yourself first and foremost. This is the same mistake that you made regarding the Black Panther Party earlier in here, even though you did correct yourself with the help of me and others aftewards. I would like to see this trend discontinue from you. If you would like for me to look for the audio from the 911 conversation please let me know. Remember champ, I want you to know something, even though your white (or what have you) and I'm black we are helpers one of another. That's the kind of mentality we need in order for ALL OF US to get along together in peace.
So did Pablo Escobar, though. And the Crips
Of course, what would this thread be without this clown entering in and adding his asinine comments to the mix. Right on schedule.
Originally Posted by Nowitzness41
Actually deuce, i didnt hear it- ive tried to stay away from all this biased- media brainwashing (although a 911 tape would be solid evidence depending on what was said)
I feel you bleach, and thats a terrible thing to go through- but i just think thats the reality of our world. It can happen anytime and anyplace
MichaelJohnson: youre the most one-sided person Ive seen around here in a long time, thats all you get from me. PM me when youre capable of looking at both sides of an issue
Let me educated you...Originally Posted by an dee 51o
So did Pablo Escobar, though. And the CripsOriginally Posted by 4318MichaelJohnson4318
You realize the Panthers created schools, ambulance services and provided free breakfest and lunch for children. How is that comparable to a Terrorist Group?
Originally Posted by Deuce King
Originally Posted by firmePORvida
Originally Posted by Deuce King
That's good, and I'm glad to hear that, truly I am. I'll say this much in regards to you as a black person or any black person like you out there that has your mindset regarding this issue. Not saying you don't DoubleJ's, but if any black person has the knowledge of our history, the struggle and achievements that we have as a race, and knows about the Civil Rights Movement and everyhing prior to that, then I THINK you would feel a little differently and not so open or at ease for a white person to say this word directly to your face or in your presence. Reason being is because you know how and from whence that word originally came from, and the impact it had or still can have.
Maybe you should stop concerning yourself with non-blacks using the N word and start holding blacks accountable for using it. Did blacks struggle and achieve only to have, as one member put it, the right to "own the word"?
Go back to page 1 of this thread, look at reply #17 which is from me, and then I want you to edit your post above and get your facts straight. In that order champ. Do not pass go.
Actually deuce, i didnt hear it- ive tried to stay away from all this biased- media brainwashing (although a 911 tape would be solid evidence depending on what was said)
So did Pablo Escobar, though. And the Crips
Of course, what would this thread be without this clown entering in and adding his asinine comments to the mix. Right on schedule.
Deuce, I wasn't just speaking about you, I was referring to blacks that use the N-word and then get upset when they hear non-blacks use it.
Educate me on what? I know the history. Why don't you respond to what I said? Pablo Escobar and the Crips also did a lot for their respective communities but would you or wouldn't you call them criminal organizations?Originally Posted by 4318MichaelJohnson4318
Let me educated you...Originally Posted by an dee 51o
So did Pablo Escobar, though. And the CripsOriginally Posted by 4318MichaelJohnson4318
You realize the Panthers created schools, ambulance services and provided free breakfest and lunch for children. How is that comparable to a Terrorist Group?
http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_survival.html
Originally Posted by bleach
im guessing because it's hard to know the intentions of some random white dude, how do you know if he's not saying it with the intention to ridicule?Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
ilikeTurtles, the word is OK to use if you know the people using it...but if a random dude came up to you and said it, it's disrespect?
How does that make any sense?
times haven't changed that much
Originally Posted by an dee 51o
Educate me on what? I know the history. Why don't you respond to what I said? Pablo Escobar and the Crips also did a lot for their respective communities but would you or wouldn't you call them criminal organizations?Originally Posted by 4318MichaelJohnson4318
Let me educated you...Originally Posted by an dee 51o
So did Pablo Escobar, though. And the Crips
http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_survival.html
really depends on what side of the fence you're on. to a black dude in the 60s, im pretty sure the police seemed like a criminal organizationOriginally Posted by an dee 51o
Educate me on what? I know the history. Why don't you respond to what I said? Pablo Escobar and the Crips also did a lot for their respective communities but would you or wouldn't you call them criminal organizations?Originally Posted by 4318MichaelJohnson4318
Let me educated you...Originally Posted by an dee 51o
So did Pablo Escobar, though. And the Crips
http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_survival.html
Exactly how i feel, and at times i do speak out of place- but keep in mind its almost always with good intentions. Im glad you feel that way as well- I said the Zimmerman story because ive heard so many different accounts and views from people that it just dseemed like everybody was going of feelings and jumping to conclusions- but if it is that blatant, i will give it a listenOriginally Posted by Nowitzness41
Originally Posted by Deuce King
Actually deuce, i didnt hear it- ive tried to stay away from all this biased- media brainwashing (although a 911 tape would be solid evidence depending on what was said)
Please do yourself a favor before you speak or take a stand on a certain matter before you introduce yourself to the facts of the matter at hand, and educate yourself first and foremost. This is the same mistake that you made regarding the Black Panther Party earlier in here, even though you did correct yourself with the help of me and others aftewards. I would like to see this trend discontinue from you. If you would like for me to look for the audio from the 911 conversation please let me know. Remember champ, I want you to know something, even though your white (or what have you) and I'm black we are helpers one of another. That's the kind of mentality we need in order for ALL OF US to get along together in peace.
Originally Posted by firmePORvida
Originally Posted by Deuce King
Originally Posted by firmePORvida
Maybe you should stop concerning yourself with non-blacks using the N word and start holding blacks accountable for using it. Did blacks struggle and achieve only to have, as one member put it, the right to "own the word"?
Go back to page 1 of this thread, look at reply #17 which is from me, and then I want you to edit your post above and get your facts straight. In that order champ. Do not pass go.
Actually deuce, i didnt hear it- ive tried to stay away from all this biased- media brainwashing (although a 911 tape would be solid evidence depending on what was said)
Please do yourself a favor before you speak or take a stand on a certain matter before you introduce yourself to the facts of the matter at hand, and educate yourself first and foremost. This is the same mistake that you made regarding the Black Panther Party earlier in here, even though you did correct yourself with the help of me and others aftewards. I would like to see this trend discontinue from you. If you would like for me to look for the audio from the 911 conversation please let me know. Remember champ, I want you to know something, even though your white (or what have you) and I'm black we are helpers one of another. That's the kind of mentality we need in order for ALL OF US to get along together in peace.
So did Pablo Escobar, though. And the Crips
So you get to make racist and unsubstantiated claims all day and I'm the clown? Ok, champ
Where and or when did I makes racist claims??...........and yes, your still a clown.
You said earlier that you can talk about white people because you've discussed the topic with whites?
I said I can talk about white people using this word and why they desire to use it because I have spoken to them about it, not that I can talk about white people just because I have held conversations with them in the past.
And yet you tell me I can't talk about black issues even though I've discussed some of these issues with black friends and other NTers.
Try again champ. I said you couldn't be as bold in some of your stances on certain issues that have been discussed here in the past pertaining to the black community because your not black. You came or have come into a thread pertaining to a black issue which is perfectly fine, but you'll come in and give a bold statement instead of asking questions or asking a certain question. You have been just as guilty as what Nowitzness41 did in here when he TRIED to discuss the Black Panthers but was completely incorrect on what he thought he knew. He, just like you should have or should ask questions instead of guessing or assuming on something you don't know about.
Originally Posted by Nowitzness41
Wait, thats what you got from that? Quit acting like a child already: I clearly stated that the Black Panther comparison was used because they were both racially motivated (never said one way or another if one was negative or positive). 2nd, all the facts AREN'T out yet, we're merely talking about a 911 tape, which DOES NOT make the entire case or prove everything. And you cant deny that so many people have taken sides and jumped to conclusions based on their own agenda. Its clear that youre just trying to make me look bad and throw stones in my direction, because i called you out on your BS- keep it up dude
Wait a minute Deuce: "i was completely incorrect", not for what i used it for, and that wasnt the point of what i said (i never claimed they were hate mongers or were formed to kill whites). I acknowledged the remainder of what i left out though. BIG DIFFERENCE. Also, just because youve made up your mind and think said 911 tape proves everything- it doesnt change that all the facts arent out yet. We're talking a matter of wording, not necessarily speaking wrong on subjects my man. Im leaving it at this though, ive got work to do- peace
some people might be pushing an agendaOriginally Posted by Nowitzness41
Wait, thats what you got from that? Quit acting like a child already: I clearly stated that the Black Panther comparison was used because they were both racially motivated (never said one way or another if one was negative or positive). 2nd, all the facts AREN'T out yet, we're merely talking about a 911 tape, which DOES NOT make the entire case or prove everything. And you cant deny that so many people have taken sides and jumped to conclusions based on their own agenda. Its clear that youre just trying to make me look bad and throw stones in my direction, because i called you out on your BS- keep it up dude
Originally Posted by Deuce King
Originally Posted by firmePORvida
Originally Posted by Deuce King
Go back to page 1 of this thread, look at reply #17 which is from me, and then I want you to edit your post above and get your facts straight. In that order champ. Do not pass go.
Please do yourself a favor before you speak or take a stand on a certain matter before you introduce yourself to the facts of the matter at hand, and educate yourself first and foremost. This is the same mistake that you made regarding the Black Panther Party earlier in here, even though you did correct yourself with the help of me and others aftewards. I would like to see this trend discontinue from you. If you would like for me to look for the audio from the 911 conversation please let me know. Remember champ, I want you to know something, even though your white (or what have you) and I'm black we are helpers one of another. That's the kind of mentality we need in order for ALL OF US to get along together in peace.
Of course, what would this thread be without this clown entering in and adding his asinine comments to the mix. Right on schedule.
Deuce, I wasn't just speaking about you, I was referring to blacks that use the N-word and then get upset when they hear non-blacks use it.
Okay, if that's the case then why did you quote me?? Also, even if you weren't speaking about me or to me, even still please go read reply #17.
So you get to make racist and unsubstantiated claims all day and I'm the clown? Ok, champ
You said earlier that you can talk about white people because you've discussed the topic with whites?
I said I can talk about white people using this word and why they desire to use it because I have spoken to them about it, not that I can talk about white people just because I have held conversations with them in the past.
And yet you tell me I can't talk about black issues even though I've discussed some of these issues with black friends and other NTers.
Try again champ. I said you couldn't be as bold in some of your stances on certain issues that have been discussed here in the past pertaining to the black community because your not black. You came or have come into a thread pertaining to a black issue which is perfectly fine, but you'll come in and give a bold statement instead of asking questions or asking a certain question. You have been just as guilty as what Nowitzness41 did in here when he TRIED to discuss the Black Panthers but was completely incorrect on what he thought he knew. He, just like you should have or should ask questions instead of guessing or assuming on something you don't know about.
I quoted you because you said "any black person has the knowledge of our history, the struggle and achievements that we have as a race, and knows about the Civil Rights Movement and everyhing prior to that, then I THINK you would feel a little differently and not so open or at ease for a white person to say this word directly to your face or in your presence", but it seems to me that most non-blacks don't understand you "struggle" because some blacks don't know themselves and use the N-word with eachother. So how can you expect a young non-black kid to not use the word when they see it all day long being used by blacks in media, and locally I'm sure. Frankly, I could care less about your earlier comment. You don't represent all of black america and can't police every non-black that uses the word.
its okay, deuce knows more about the civil rights movement than huey newton.Originally Posted by an dee 51o
So you get to make racist and unsubstantiated claims all day and I'm the clown? Ok, champ.
You said earlier that you can talk about white people because you've discussed the topic with whites? And yet you tell me I can't talk about black issues even though I've discussed some of these issues with black friends and other NTers.
You'RE still a hyprocite.
let's hang out this weekend. i'm throwing a party on friday, your more then welcome to come thru, just bring your own beer.Originally Posted by chozin87
Let's meet in real life.Originally Posted by Hermosa Beach
because i say what i feel like saying and if someone has a problem with it then they better not say it around me at all either otherwise i'll call them out.