Black Culture Discussion Thread

[tokes99]

to be fair, buddy mentioned howard specifically in the clip rather than demographics at hbcus overall which homie in the video cites

 

[Present]

to be fair, buddy mentioned howard specifically in the clip rather than demographics at hbcus overall which homie in the video cites

Even if that's true, it speaks more of Howard University than it does of black men.

 

[tokes99]

Even if that's true, it speaks more of Howard University than it does of black men.

it very might…but if man is going to refute a claim, it should be the one being made at least. i genuinely didn’t know that there were significant amounts of non black students @ hbcus

i think the statistics citing that women in general attend college more than men generally pretty much shuts down whatever point folk are trying to make about black men in this regard

my guess is much of this consternation is related to the dating/mating conversation that has been bubbling

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[Present]

it very might…but if man is going to refute a claim, it should be the one being made at least.

Fair, but it's a moot point in the overall conversation of the negative portrayal of Black men.

Context:





"The number one thing sociologists point to is something called the 'The Beleif Gap' that says that young Black men don't believe they can or should be able to handle college intellectually or financially." - Toure

 

[tokes99]

Fair, but it's a moot point in the overall conversation of the negative portrayal of Black men.

Context:





"The number one thing sociologists point to is something called the 'The Beleif Gap' that says that young black men don't believe they can handle college intellectually or financially." - Toure

while i do find his way of rationale & speaking about this to be hyperbolic…i’m not sure he’s wrong in general, folk that attend/graduate do/have to this point make more money than those who don’t on average, i’d challenge his usage of ‘handle’ but i do think that generally men (especially in recent times) are much more skeptical about the proposition a college education offers; how one might interpret this skepticism is slightly unknowable beyond assuming/believing what men are saying is honest

i just think unless people are/can highlight(ing) what makes black men markedly different to other men who also are ‘lagging behind’ their women in college attendance the whole argument is kinda moot & given the men still out earn their women despite this additionally reinforces that, now maybe there is some other data i’m not aware of that is motivating a particular animus/negativity about this issue/topic for some but i just am perpetually confused by the whole discourse

 

[tr1ll]

I think how we raise our children plays a big part in this as well. The old "spoil the girls and make the boys earn it to be tough" trope, "be a leader not a follower", and then sprinkle some hustle/entrepreneur culture on top and BOOM and man doesn't want to go to college.

 

[tokes99]

I think how we raise our children plays a big part in this as well. The old "spoil the girls and make the boys earn it to be tough" trope, "be a leader not a follower", and then sprinkle some hustle/entrepreneur culture on top and BOOM and man doesn't want to go to college.

perhaps but given view of patriarchy in the western & arguably gaining influence globally & don’t know that many are still on that wave…what is going on now has been forecasted for a minute tho…i read a book called ‘the end of men’ almost a decade or more ago now that was kinda prescient about what was to come about how men & women would (or not) relate in the future in terms of getting together solidly long term across/beyond ethnicities.

women have the children & even as men today contribute/help way more than our forefathers did, are still responsible for most of the child rearing, as such their preference (for lasting relationships anyways) is always equal & preferably better (and even equal is almost contingent on eventually better). so some women are just complaining about their prospects (especially when they aren’t necessarily pursuing careers that are lucrative )…none of us lives in a vacuum & see the ting real time it’s plenty of folk with degrees & nothing but debt to show for it & as men still have that ‘provider’ expectation some are going to opt to fast track that path…it’s not even that complicated

then just look at who is voicing these issues it’s usually women past a certain age/point in their lives or people kinda speaking on behalf of those women, some may couch it in relation to family creation but it really comes back to the preferences of women because if the egalitarianism that is extolled/gassed up is real women should embrace their higher educational attainment (& presumably the not yet realized corresponding economic status) without the expectation that men should match them and while women are fasho earnestly dealing with men who don’t meet this criteria it is obviously somewhat begrudgingly

 

[Present]

 

[Public Enemy]

Lot of thoughts came to mind when reading this, but beyond that, it's a well written article and a good amount of background on Nate Ament, who is playing in Nike's Hoop Summit tonight on USA. There's some sneaker content in there as well.

The basketball rise of Nate Ament is a family story - Andscape

With each step USA Basketball’s Nate Ament takes in his player edition Reeboks during the Hoop Summit, he will be giving respect to his mother by showcasing the colors of the Rwandan flag — light blue, yellow and green with a golden sun. “It’s really special for me to be able to do that,” Ament […]

andscape.com

It's not a gotcha, it's not any one thing, just a lot of information and a good amount to think about. Got it from this tweet, posted in the draft section.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Deng has been doing an excellent job with SOuth Sudan.

Joakim Noah has been pouring a lot into making the BAL an alternative league for players. (I would suggest listening to his interview on "All the Smoke as he speaks on this).

Pops Mensah-Bonsu is another name that comes to mind with all the work he has been doing. (Yes, I know he's British)

African basketball looks for next face after Dikembe Mutombo - Andscape

RABAT, Morocco – There was jubilation outside the Prince Moulay Abdellah Sports Complex last Saturday as the Basketball Africa League began its fifth season. Excited hoop fans danced to deejay music, shot basketballs, bought BAL swag and ate hot dogs, chicken kebob sandwiches, fondue and more...

andscape.com

 

[DCAllAfrican]

#BusinessRespectabilities

 

[deuce king]

perhaps but given view of patriarchy in the western & arguably gaining influence globally & don’t know that many are still on that wave…what is going on now has been forecasted for a minute tho…i read a book called ‘the end of men’ almost a decade or more ago now that was kinda prescient about what was to come about how men & women would (or not) relate in the future in terms of getting together solidly long term across/beyond ethnicities.

women have the children & even as men today contribute/help way more than our forefathers did, are still responsible for most of the child rearing, as such their preference (for lasting relationships anyways) is always equal & preferably better (and even equal is almost contingent on eventually better). so some women are just complaining about their prospects (especially when they aren’t necessarily pursuing careers that are lucrative )…none of us lives in a vacuum & see the ting real time it’s plenty of folk with degrees & nothing but debt to show for it & as men still have that ‘provider’ expectation some are going to opt to fast track that path…it’s not even that complicated

then just look at who is voicing these issues it’s usually women past a certain age/point in their lives or people kinda speaking on behalf of those women, some may couch it in relation to family creation but it really comes back to the preferences of women because if the egalitarianism that is extolled/gassed up is real women should embrace their higher educational attainment (& presumably the not yet realized corresponding economic status) without the expectation that men should match them and while women are fasho earnestly dealing with men who don’t meet this criteria it is obviously somewhat begrudgingly

The bottom line is……..women in general black women in particular are going to have to learn to COMPETE. A lot of women simply can’t understand that. The higher up you go or look to…….the more there is to compete with.

 

[tokes99]

The bottom line is……..women in general black women in particular are going to have to learn to COMPETE. A lot of women simply can’t understand that. The higher up you go or look to…….the more there is to compete with.

do you think women in general & black women in particular aren’t competing?

 

[deuce king]

do you think women in general & black women in particular aren’t competing?

For the men that women want or they think they deserve…….No.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

perhaps but given view of patriarchy in the western & arguably gaining influence globally & don’t know that many are still on that wave…what is going on now has been forecasted for a minute tho…i read a book called ‘the end of men’ almost a decade or more ago now that was kinda prescient about what was to come about how men & women would (or not) relate in the future in terms of getting together solidly long term across/beyond ethnicities.

women have the children & even as men today contribute/help way more than our forefathers did, are still responsible for most of the child rearing, as such their preference (for lasting relationships anyways) is always equal & preferably better (and even equal is almost contingent on eventually better). so some women are just complaining about their prospects (especially when they aren’t necessarily pursuing careers that are lucrative )…none of us lives in a vacuum & see the ting real time it’s plenty of folk with degrees & nothing but debt to show for it & as men still have that ‘provider’ expectation some are going to opt to fast track that path…it’s not even that complicated

then just look at who is voicing these issues it’s usually women past a certain age/point in their lives or people kinda speaking on behalf of those women, some may couch it in relation to family creation but it really comes back to the preferences of women because if the egalitarianism that is extolled/gassed up is real women should embrace their higher educational attainment (& presumably the not yet realized corresponding economic status) without the expectation that men should match them and while women are fasho earnestly dealing with men who don’t meet this criteria it is obviously somewhat begrudgingly

Women got the short end of the stick. They have to work the long hours @ the job but the expectations of their domestic duties have not gone away. So they are essentially being asked to do the same work while dedicating 10 hours per day @ the job.

Some WOMEN argue that this isn't what they signed up for and don't see how they are better off in that system.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

 

[finessence]

Women got the short end of the stick. They have to work the long hours @ the job but the expectations of their domestic duties have not gone away. So they are essentially being asked to do the same work while dedicating 10 hours per day @ the job.

Some WOMEN argue that this isn't what they signed up for and don't see how they are better off in that system.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

Women AND men should both share domestic duties. Why and HOW is that so hard for grown adults to understand? A man should tend to the kids, wash clothes, wash dishes meal prep/cook, right along with the women.

I swear folks like to make life difficult for no reason. I can tell the ones who live nasty, that expect only the women to clean up after them.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Yea, that's idealistic but when it comes to these things they typically are done by the woman at a higher rate.

And with children we know damn well there will GENERALLY never be equal distribution of labor.

But yes, EVERYONE should be doing EVERYTHING in their own homes.
But yes, EVERYONE should be doing EVERYTHING in their own homes.
But yes, EVERYONE should be doing EVERYTHING in their own homes.

 

[aquatic barefoot]

Women AND men should both share domestic duties. Why and HOW is that so hard for grown adults to understand? A man should tend to the kids, wash clothes, wash dishes meal prep/cook, right along with the women.

I swear folks like to make life difficult for no reason. I can tell the ones who live nasty, that expect only the women to clean up after them.

Is this woman married? Are there children that need to be cared for?

 

[finessence]

Wash your behind, clean your house and vehicles, raise your kids. Simple tasks that grown human beings still refuse to do consistently. And folks wonder why they live in misery.

If an adult is incapable of those basic things, than what’s the point? Over analyzing basic stuff

 

[finessence]

Is this woman married? Are there children that need to be cared for?

What does being married have to do with cleaning up after yourself? And of course the kids grow up and leave the nest eventually (or stay) but again, ADULTS helping out around the house… should never be difficult

 

[aquatic barefoot]

What does being married have to do with cleaning up after yourself? And of course the kids grow up and leave the nest eventually (or stay) but again, ADULTS helping out around the house… should never be difficult

It’s a valid question.

A wife/mother is going to have different responsibilities than a single woman.

The division of labor is up to each couple/ family, but to pretend women can have it all (husband/children/career/etc.) with no drawbacks is why society is where it is today.

 

[finessence]

It’s a valid question.

A wife/mother is going to have different responsibilities than a single woman.

The division of labor is up to each couple/ family, but to pretend women can have it all (husband/children/career/etc.) with no drawbacks is why society is where it is today.

Society is where it’s at because the average adult (starting from ages 19-21) is lazy, entitled and wants something for nothing.

But the basic argument was about being clean, cleaning the home, raising kids, etc

 

[tokes99]

For the men that women want or they think they deserve…….No.

given the data & from anecdotal experience, these men that are actually desired are having their way, now the women might not necessarily be competing competently but just from the stuff i see & all the complaining women do via real life/socials they definitely in the game, frustrated

Women got the short end of the stick. They have to work the long hours @ the job but the expectations of their domestic duties have not gone away. So they are essentially being asked to do the same work while dedicating 10 hours per day @ the job.

Some WOMEN argue that this isn't what they signed up for and don't see how they are better off in that system.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

But yes, women having the OPTION to work (if that's what they want) matters.

true…but to some extent this is part of the duty & responsibility of what it means to be a mother; it’s not always going to be easy…i really think too many women have this expectation that being in relationship should make things easier vs. their single selves rather than being for accomplishing something (helping each other in life, raising healthy, well adjusted chirren) whereas most men understand that their lives are likely going to be more difficult in many respects

It’s a valid question.

A wife/mother is going to have different responsibilities than a single woman.

The division of labor is up to each couple/ family, but to pretend women can have it all (husband/children/career/etc.) with no drawbacks is why society is where it is today.

this connects to my last point above, i really am curious why so many women think this way…they don’t seem to realize it contributes to their dissatisfaction . ask what trade offs do they expect to make (especially those that are set on getting guys that are by their metrics rare) in the relationship they want & it’s basically everything their way #wordtoburgerking , even the things they think they are making concessions on favor them …men want things too, so if & when they find this mythical guy (or worse ‘settle’ for a guy) some women end resenting him for his desires/not being that ideal