Black Culture Discussion Thread

[Quincy McCall]

So how do you measure the success of this administration? Not being trump is a low bar

Economy's in disarray, mass evictions are on the rise, environment regulations are going under, income inequality is much worse than before and rising. Health care going under, etc., etc.

Putting out some of the fires of Trumpism will likely be how this terms success is measured-- and without the senate that will be a long run

 

[trynafeelmink]

This is why I will always keep my lips sewed up when black women dump on us for being regressive

Dudes rather do nothing and stew in their righteousness while our most defenseless suffer the consequences. We can't fight an open white nationalist without having our faith and allegiance questioned--

My guy given all we have dealt with over the past 10 years..... America as a country & all it's systems are glued together with white nationalism.... Trump being out of office isn't gonna do anything but ramp it up actually

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Economy's in disarray, mass evictions are on the rise, environment regulations are going under, income inequality is much worse than before and rising. Health care going under, etc., etc.

Putting out some of the fires of Trumpism will likely be how this terms success is measured-- and without the senate that will be a long run

Right. So basically just returning to the status quo is good enough.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Instead of arguing about which party is more racist, start asking about what are ways you can hold your elected officials accountable, from the local level on up. We don’t get the luxury of just waiting and seeing if any given politician is going to ride for us off the strengths of our votes. How have you made yourself heard? How have your organized? How have you been civically engaged? cynicism holds no weight if you can’t answer these questions. Civics engagement is an active action, this “wait and see” game people play so they can be proven right about being let down is such a defeatist mindset.

 

[Quincy McCall]

My guy given all we have dealt with over the past 10 years..... America as a country & all it's systems are glued together with white nationalism.... Trump being out of office isn't gonna do anything but ramp it up actually

So we were better off with the white nationalist in office, supporting pigs, ICE and vigilantes killing us in the streets? Yea', I don't know what this convo is, but I'm good on it.

If we're going to talk about progress and productive solutions, quote me-- will be glad to have that convo

 

[KHUFU]

With all due respect, when has America not shown itself to be this? this isn't relegated to Trump. This country whether Blue or Red has continued to relegate black causes to we owe you won for DECADES now, outside of just optimism what is the basis to think we have them backed into a corner?

this is from DEMOCRATIC caucus calls yesterday

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-wild-conference-call-leaks-live-Twitter.html

• Rep. Abigail Spanberger, a moderate Democrat, ripped into party leaders on a conference call on Thursday after House majority shrank
• 'No one should say 'defund the police' ever again,' Spanberger said, referring to one of The Squad's demands
• 'We will get f****** torn apart,' she added
• Speaker Nancy Pelosi defended the party, saying Democrats held the House
• Democratic Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, who lost, her race, cried during call
• She said colleagues couldn't pronounce her name and were mean on Twitter
• Details from the call played on live on Twitter as those on it leaked details to the Capitol Hill press corp, who promptly tweeted them
• As details from the conference call emerged online, lawmakers demanded the guilty leakers be found

If there's anything we know about politicians is that it's secure the vote #1, worry about the people #2. Ya'll think these the people who gonna be fighting for black initiatives moving forward??

Trust, my position is clear, ALL white people are racists, due to the system that supports their existence. There should be absolutely no trust in what they are going to do for us, none. However, I do believe that it is important to know and then understand that white america only respects blood? And then money. IF we can establish those voting blocks of Black interest, we then can begin to demand what we want. Personally, I am excited at the prospect of a Black woman as President, with AOC and Omar having access. Let the fireworks begin!

 

[trynafeelmink]

Have you seen the modern day Republican playbook? It’s an open white supremacist playbook? You have politicians playing up on white resentment politics promising to give them their country back. If you can in good faith give me a policy reason for Black people to support the party as a whole at this stage then I’m all ears. I think you’re conflating a rebuke of the racism that we’re seeing in the Republican Party as a outright acceptance of everything the Dems put forward, and that’s not the case. There’s a nuanced discussion to be had there and I know you’re capable of it. You’re clearly a smart dude.


I respect your perspective that there’s nothing inspiring about that but I wholeheartedly disagree. Black people shifting the election while our vote is continually suppressed because white people don’t even want us to vote is inspiring to me. It’s inspiring to many other Black people, and I don’t think that there should be anything wrong with that. My grandmother is 80+ years old and was literally “the help” for white folks when she was in our age range, and even she’s inspired but what other Black people are doing. She has no reason to be anything but jaded and disheartened based on what she’s seen in her life.

We still have to keep pushing for our own issues to be given the proper focus. I’m under no illusion that these people are looking to give us anything or prioritize us, but unfortunately, WE have to keep doing the work or no one else will. None of us are sitting in adulation for scraps. We have to demand more and we will keep doing so.

To be clear my initial post wasn't an endorsement of the republicans or Trump, it's just to highlight how much control i believe Democrats have over the black vote. Me & you just disagree on how we view that loyalty. Obviously i don't think all people on the left are just following blindly the same way i wouldn't accuse all people on the right as being bigots.

I've just seen enough over the years that leads me to believe that the black community has an unhealthy allegiance to the left & it's leading us to stagnation.

In terms of how people should feel, again that is solely based on the individual & how they process things. Personally i've grown past the feel good stories & all the examples of "representation".

Like i seen that Clip of the dude in Detroit going Viral, "From picking cotton to picking presidents" & it being lauded as something great. we were viewed as subhuman when we were picking cotton & we're viewed as subhuman in America til this day...... but at least we can choose the white man who keeps the system on it's tracks.

 

[tomdiginson]

Put the heat on Sleepy Joe for sure. Wait until the election is over so nobody can use the, "You are taking away some of his steam" card.

Lord knows how they love to use that card on NT whenever you question the party.

 

[trynafeelmink]

So we were better off with the white nationalist in office, supporting pigs, ICE and vigilantes killing us in the streets? Yea', I don't know what this convo is, but I'm good on it.

If we're going to talk about progress and productive solutions, quote me-- will be glad to have that convo

Nowhere did i say we were better off with Trump , i'm just not gonna sit here & act as if Trump ain't do **** put open the blinds.

Is Ice gonna suddenly vanish?
are government officials whether they be from red or blue states going to stop supporting cops?
Racism is gonna take a step to the side when Trump goes?

The solution should be rounded on getting people in office with loyalty to the actual people & not their party & pockets.

 

[dacomeup]

To be clear my initial post wasn't an endorsement of the republicans or Trump, it's just to highlight how much control i believe Democrats have over the black vote. Me & you just disagree on how we view that loyalty. Obviously i don't think all people on the left are just following blindly the same way i wouldn't accuse all people on the right as being bigots.

I've just seen enough over the years that leads me to believe that the black community has an unhealthy allegiance to the left & it's leading us to stagnation.

In terms of how people should feel, again that is solely based on the individual & how they process things. Personally i've grown past the feel good stories & all the examples of "representation".

Like i seen that Clip of the dude in Detroit going Viral, "From picking cotton to picking presidents" & it being lauded as something great. we were viewed as subhuman when we were picking cotton & we're viewed as subhuman in America til this day...... but at least we can choose the white man who keeps the system on it's tracks.

There’s no problem with healthy cynicism. I’m extremely cynical myself. But if Black people have an unhealthy allegiance to the left, then what do you propose? The other party is openly running a white supremacist platform and riling up resentful whites to commit violent crimes against us. What’s the path forward with that in mind?

The system is definitely completely rotten. The country is founded upon white supremacy. But part of white supremacy culture is thwarting optimism. Black folks being joyous and optimistic is a literal rebellion against white supremacy. Nothing wrong with that from my perspective, even as a cynic.

 

[trynafeelmink]

There’s no problem with healthy cynicism. I’m extremely cynical myself. But if Black people have an unhealthy allegiance to the left, then what do you propose? The other party is openly running a white supremacist platform and riling up resentful whites to commit violent crimes against us. What’s the path forward with that in mind?

The system is definitely completely rotten. The country is founded upon white supremacy. But part of white supremacy culture is thwarting optimism. Black folks being joyous and optimistic is a literal rebellion against white supremacy. Nothing wrong with that from my perspective, even as a cynic.

The path going forward is a loaded question, that people have dedicated their lives to studying, i can't give you a direct answer on that. What i will say is that our likely president went on record during an election run & told people if you don't vote for him you ain't black, &
"By the way, what you all know but most people don’t know, unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things,"

When the PRESIDENT is saying things like this it is very clear where the left values it's blk voters. If a party could guarantee your devotion they have 0 incentive to "do better" or make changes.

in terms of being black people being Joyous Thwarting white Supremacy, Uh i guess . Sure there's some miserable racist Trump supporter out their pissed that black people are happy... meanwhile there's a white supremacist ecstatic because black people are joyous about putting another multi millionaire White man in office.

electing a white man, to steer a system that we know is based off white supremacy.... doesn't seem like the most effective way to stop white supremacy.

 

[Quincy McCall]

Nowhere did i say we were better off with Trump , i'm just not gonna sit here & act as if Trump ain't do **** put open the blinds.

Is Ice gonna suddenly vanish?
are government officials whether they be from red or blue states going to stop supporting cops?
Racism is gonna take a step to the side when Trump goes?

The solution should be rounded on getting people in office with loyalty to the actual people & not their party & pockets.

My dude, there's a difference between supporting cops and supporting their open sovereignty to kill black people, same with ICE. There's a clear and distinct difference between the two party's position on that and many other issues that directly effect black ppl.

Trump did a lot more than just 'open the blinds' to White supremacists. He drastically pumped underqualified judges with white supremacist sympathies into the system, helped take away affordable health care from black ppl, pushed for less accountability measures for law enforcement, and he's terrorizing Haitian immigrants at the border. His ineptitude has costs dozens of thousands of black lives and businesses, and that's just in the past few months. The harm that he's done to black people will only compound in the following years. Those lazy political takes of yours are a direct harm to black ppl-- again, good on whatever this convo is supposed to be

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I just wanna see all these energetic people keep that pressure on Joe and Kamala. Black people voted for them in a heavy block. The heaviest block. I don't wanna hear **** about "black men this and that" black men just voted for 2 weak democratic candidates that have SHADY pasts, a history of working against black progress in a 80% clip. No other group of men did that but somehow folks still want to push this goofy gender divide between black men and women.


And If you're a tax paying citizen you have the right to say whatever you want. Whether you voted or not. These politicians work for US. They ask for OUR votes. If somebody chooses to vote independent or opted out all together because they don't see a worthy candidate, that's their choice.

 

[trynafeelmink]

My dude, there's a difference between supporting cops and supporting their open sovereignty to kill black people, same with ICE. There's a clear and distinct difference between the two party's position on that and many other issues that directly effect black ppl.

Trump did a lot more than just 'open the blinds' to White supremacists. He drastically pumped underqualified judges with white supremacist sympathies into the system, helped take away affordable health care from black ppl, pushed for less accountability measures for law enforcement, and he's terrorizing Haitian immigrants at the border. His ineptitude has costs dozens of thousands of black lives and businesses, and that's just in the past few months. The harm that he's done to black people will only compound in the following years. Those lazy political takes of yours are a direct harm to black ppl-- again, good on whatever this convo is supposed to be

What are you saying to me other than Trump is a superior bigot?

From the health system, to the legal system, to accountability on law enforcement..... all of these systems have ****** black people over for decades. The Trump bandaid is off & he's probably out of office..... stop telling me about the boogeyman & how the Dems aren't as bad as the other side.

****** are dying in the street daily, Jobs are lost, black business has been DEMOLISHED during this lockdown........ and all i keep hearing is at least there not as bad as the bigots. My words are harmful to the black community? i think locking up a generation of black men is much more harmful & impactful but what nah that's presidential

 

[dathbgboy]

I just wanna see all these energetic people keep that pressure on Joe and Kamala. Black people voted for them in a heavy block. The heaviest block. I don't wanna hear **** about "black men this and that" black men just voted for 2 weak democratic candidates that have SHADY pasts, a history of working against black progress in a 80% clip. No other group of men did that but somehow folks still want to push this goofy gender divide between black men and women.


And If you're a tax paying citizen you have the right to say whatever you want. Whether you voted or not. These politicians work for US. They ask for OUR votes. If somebody chooses to vote independent or opted out all together because they don't see a worthy candidate, that's their choice.

I think that folks will, how much pressure and when it will be applied is yet to be determined. Gen Y and some of Gen Z is wiser and more aware of political matters and how things work, so using that knowledge, those that have been boots on the ground for years definitely will apply pressure

 

[Quincy McCall]

I just wanna see all these energetic people keep that pressure on Joe and Kamala. Black people voted for them in a heavy block. The heaviest block. I don't wanna hear **** about "black men this and that" black men just voted for 2 weak democratic candidates that have SHADY pasts, a history of working against black progress in a 80% clip. No other group of men did that but somehow folks still want to push this goofy gender divide between black men and women.


And If you're a tax paying citizen you have the right to say whatever you want. Whether you voted or not. These politicians work for US. They ask for OUR votes. If somebody chooses to vote independent or opted out all together because they don't see a worthy candidate, that's their choice.

They have the right to vote how they want, and we have the right to criticize them for sitting on their fingers or actively voting for the disenfranchisement of minorities. Might be cool with you, but I'm not rocking with that ****

Black men do better compared to other races, but we're steadily standing in the way of progress when it comes to politics and show up in underwhelming numbers compared to black women when they stand up for something-- whether it be reproductive rights, maternity rights, income inequality, local politics and etc.

 

[Quincy McCall]

What are you saying to me other than Trump is a superior bigot?

From the health system, to the legal system, to accountability on law enforcement..... all of these systems have ****ed black people over for decades. The Trump bandaid is off & he's probably out of office..... stop telling me about the boogeyman & how the Dems aren't as bad as the other side.

****** are dying in the street daily, Jobs are lost, black business has been DEMOLISHED during this lockdown........ and all i keep hearing is at least there not as bad as the bigots. My words are harmful to the black community? i think locking up a generation of black men is much more harmful & impactful but what nah that's presidential

I gave you specific policy's and direct actions that trump made that uniquely affected black people-- and pointed out their distinctive differences. And all you can do is give me this lazy "both sides are the same" nonsense

Go on with this bull****. Clearly don't have anything to say.

While you're sitting on your fingers and talking up a good storm, there's black people actually in the streets fighting for their rights to affordable healthcare, civic equity, and institutional representation. I've already wasted more of my morning on this than I would have dreamed of

 

[trynafeelmink]

I gave you specific policy's and direct actions that trump made that uniquely affected black people-- and pointed out their distinctive differences. And all you can do is give me this lazy "both sides are the same" nonsense

Go on with this bull****. Clearly don't have anything to say.

While you're sitting on your fingers and talking up a good storm, there's black people actually in the streets fighting for their rights to affordable healthcare, civic equity, and institutional representation. I've already wasted more of my morning on this than I would have dreamed of

Sorry but i don't get aroused harboring on how *** of a president Trump was/is.... Your giving me Trump's additions to a system that has continuously has us at the bottom prior to his inception. My goal isn't to oust Trump or have one up on MAGA, my goal is to not be pumping my pom pom's for being last in line instead of not being online at all.

So again Trump is gone do you predict that suddenly police brutality is going to take a drastic drop, are corrupt judges & policies going to be abolished? are immigrants going to face no discrimination? is healthcare suddenly going to be affordable?

M'fers out in the street performing WAP routines on concrete & parading sassy signs thinking lawmakers or politicians give two ****s about that

 

[dacomeup]

The path going forward is a loaded question, that people have dedicated their lives to studying, i can't give you a direct answer on that. What i will say is that our likely president went on record during an election run & told people if you don't vote for him you ain't black, &
"By the way, what you all know but most people don’t know, unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things,"

When the PRESIDENT is saying things like this it is very clear where the left values it's blk voters. If a party could guarantee your devotion they have 0 incentive to "do better" or make changes.

in terms of being black people being Joyous Thwarting white Supremacy, Uh i guess . Sure there's some miserable racist Trump supporter out their pissed that black people are happy... meanwhile there's a white supremacist ecstatic because black people are joyous about putting another multi millionaire White man in office.

electing a white man, to steer a system that we know is based off white supremacy.... doesn't seem like the most effective way to stop white supremacy.

I don’t think that’s limited to a “miserable Trump” supporter. Black people being left with no optimism is literally a tool that dates back to slavery and is a tool of oppression. I’m absolutely not saying that electing Biden in any way or form will halt white supremacy — but in the system that we’re in, the other party has openly campaigned on white supremacy without any regard for Black folks.

And Biden was a clown for that statement. No question. But the Democrats do need the Black vote. As evidenced by this election, they need us simply to win elections. That’s why Black people remaining engaged is important because if we’re not engaged and making these demands then nothing is going to happen. The changing electorate of the country actually makes the Black vote more important. The Latino vote clearly is much different for a variety of reasons, and they can’t rely on that in the same way. Cubans don’t vote the same as Puerto Ricans as do Mexicans, etc.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I don’t think that’s limited to a “miserable Trump” supporter. Black people being left with no optimism is literally a tool that dates back to slavery and is a tool of oppression. I’m absolutely not saying that electing Biden in any way or form will halt white supremacy — but in the system that we’re in, the other party has openly campaigned on white supremacy without any regard for Black folks.

And Biden was a clown for that statement. No question. But the Democrats do need the Black vote. As evidenced by this election, they need us simply to win elections. That’s why Black people remaining engaged is important because if we’re not engaged and making these demands then nothing is going to happen. The changing electorate of the country actually makes the Black vote more important. The Latino vote clearly is much different for a variety of reasons, and they can’t rely on that in the same way. Cubans don’t vote the same as Puerto Ricans as do Mexicans, etc.

They 1000% need the black vote & that's why it's frustrating watching people give it away for minimal gains. Biden is the new president & I honestly do hope that he's held accountable and really pushes for well thought out black policies going forward. I'm just extremely weary of it with this president in this climate.

I wish this administration the best & hope they prove me wrong but i expect much more of regularly scheduled programming approach with the promise of 2024 being the year. Lets say four years pass & at the end of the term, black people as a whole are largely dissatisfied what's the end game for the next election

we know there's no consideration of going republican, it doesn't seem like anybody has gotten even remotely close as a black independent in the past.... That leaves us either not voting (which the majority are against) or going right back to the democrats for 4 years with no pressure on them to change.

 

[Mark Antony]

That's a healthy skepticism, not even mad at it. Be sure to be a part of that accountability group though.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Black men do better compared to other races, but we're steadily standing in the way of progress when it comes to politics and show up in underwhelming numbers compared to black women when they stand up for something-- whether it be reproductive rights, maternity rights, income inequality, local politics and etc.

I can't rock with that at all. Let's just go off the civil rights movement to today. There have been numerous movements involving black men fighting for rights at every level. Damn sure not standing in the way. Only type black men that have stood in the way are the Sheriff Clark's, Daniel Cameron's.

 

[Quincy McCall]

I can't rock with that at all. Let's just go off the civil rights movement to today. There have been numerous movements involving black men fighting for rights at every level. Damn sure not standing in the way. Only type black men that have stood in the way are the Sheriff Clark's, Daniel Cameron's.

There's levels to it, those two have actively supported the disenfranchisement of their own people-- but there's far too many of us that will sit on the sidelines while women are fighting for our rights; the ratio of women to men being vocal and lobbying for our issues is too lopsided not to raise an issue

From the civil rights onward, black women had to either lead in subordinate roles or in separate groups because their interests were being belittled; i.e. Angela Davis leaving the Panthers.

We're trailing the women in the fight for equal rights, and we need to do better. **** Daniel Cameron and the other guy, they aren't kin. That doesn't mean I'm going to let anyone off the hook who decides to sit at home and concede power to white supremacists because they feel 'disaffected'.

Black people are dying out of negligence and dereliction of institutional power, I expect everyone to get out and to do something

 

[Maximus Meridius]

There's levels to it, those two have actively supported the disenfranchisement of their own people-- but there's far too many of us that will sit on the sidelines while women are fighting for our rights; the ratio of women to men being vocal and lobbying for our issues is too lopsided not to raise an issue

From the civil rights onward, black women had to either lead in subordinate roles or in separate groups because their interests were being belittled; i.e. Angela Davis leaving the Panthers.

We're trailing the women in the fight for equal rights, and we need to do better. **** Daniel Cameron and the other guy, they aren't kin. That doesn't mean I'm going to let anyone off the hook who decides to sit at home and concede power to white supremacists because they feel 'disaffected'.

Black people are dying out of negligence and dereliction of institutional power, I expect everyone to get out and to do something

I'm not even gonna get into which gender has done more because that kinda talk goes nowhere. I don't even know how people quantify that. There have great black men and women consistently fighting throughout history to today. That's a fact.

What I will say is black people as whole are not going to have power at any level until we a legit economic system.

 

[Quincy McCall]

I'm not even gonna get into which gender has done more because that kinda talk goes nowhere. I don't even know how people quantify that. There have great black men and women consistently fighting throughout history to today. That's a fact.

What I will say is black people as whole are not going to have power at any level until we a legit economic system.

I bunch economic power with institutional power, cause if the opposition has the power of the law then we don't truly have any power. Didn't take but a match to burn down black wall street and others like it-- regardless of how we rebuild, need to do it with the right power structures in place