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'Heroic, But He's No Hero': Revisiting Football Great Jim Brown
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Jim Brown, a star running back for the Cleveland Browns in the late 1950s and early 1960s, is the subject of a new biography by The Nation sports editor Dave Zirin.
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Many consider the running back Jim Brown the greatest American football player ever. But he's known as much more than an athlete — he's an activist, an actor, a thinker and a man with an alleged history of violence against women.

Here's how he's described in the opening paragraph of Dave Zirin's new biography, Jim Brown: Last Man Standing.

Football is the closest thing we have in this country to a national religion, albeit a religion built on a foundation of crippled apostles and disposable martyrs. In this brutal church, Jim Brown is the closest thing to a warrior Saint.

Zirin, sports correspondent for The Nation, spoke to NPR about this complicated figure, who is now 82 years old.

"I think it's important that when we look at these icons of the past, that we look at them not as these kinds of immortals," Zirin says. "Because if we do that, when we deify people, the problem with that is then there's nothing to learn from them or their lives. It's a story of somebody who is very flawed, but somebody who also did heroic things. As Howard Bryant, the great sportswriter, said, he said: Jim Brown is heroic, but he's no hero. And I think that's the best way to look at his life."

Interview Highlights


On why he chose Jim Brown as a subject, and why now


There's a discussion happening right now — not just in the world of sports, but I think nationally — about masculinity, and about what it means to be a man, what it means to be a real man. And I think we are assessing some of what we've been taught. And I think Jim Brown, for the last 50 years, has been this kind of icon of the old way of looking at manhood: somebody who defined his manhood by not showing a great deal of emotion; by playing in the National Football League and never missing a game for injury, and being lauded for that; as being somebody who stepped inside the black power movement and was an icon; as someone who stepped into Hollywood, and was thought that he could be the black John Wayne and participated in the blaxploitation era, which was a very hyper-masculinized form of cinema at the time; and as somebody who stepped to the terrain of the gang battles in Los Angeles in the 1980s, and did a tremendous amount of activism to try to bring warring gangs together and bring peace to the streets of South Central Los Angeles. And all of these landscapes he did with this resolute focus on teaching people of what it means to be a "real man." And one of the things I try to argue in the book, and this connects with the discussions which are happening right now about masculinity, is whether or not that discussion of manhood is positive or negative. And so I also look in the book about Jim Brown's history with women, which is the dark side, if you will, of this discussion about masculinity — particularly the issue of violence against women.

On where Jim Brown grew up, and how it influenced his particular type of activism

Well, it's a fascinating story, because Jim Brown was raised by women on St. Simons Island, which is off the coast of Georgia. And St. Simons was a place that was built on self-sufficiency because the ground was so rough that when enslaved people were brought from Africa, their communities were largely left alone. And this, I think, made a mark on Jim Brown throughout his younger years, of this idea of not being an integrationist, not being someone who supported the goals of Dr. Martin Luther King [Jr.], of being someone who more was on the side of: How do we, as black Americans, build our own institutions of power and self-sufficiency? ...

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Retired NFL greats Jim Brown (left) and Ray Lewis address the media after meeting with then-President-elect Donald Trump at Trump Tower in New York in late 2016.
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And this is something I think we forget historically, is that there was a black freedom struggle in this country, but there was a left wing and right wing to that freedom struggle. It's not like everybody believed in marching, or everybody believed in the Montgomery bus boycott, sit-ins. There was a wide variety of thinking about how black liberation could be achieved. And Jim Brown was, you could argue, on the conservative wing of that camp. And I think it connects to why Jim Brown today is a supporter of Donald Trump ... and why he supported Richard Nixon in 1968, as did other figures of that era like the singer James Brown and Sammy Davis Jr. Like, there was black support for Richard Nixon in 1968, and it was built around this idea of economic self-sufficiency.

Colin Kaepernick and modern sports protests


It's fascinating to me, because Jim Brown said just the other week, on the NFL Network, that if he was the general manager of a team, he would not sign Colin Kaepernick. Last year he walked into the locker room of the Cleveland Browns — the team that of course made Jim Brown famous — and he told players who had been kneeling that they needed to cut it out. And so Jim Brown is really acting as an agent of [NFL] ownership in these cases. ...

See, this is what I'm trying to argue with this book, because a lot of people in the sports world were shocked when he said these things, saying: How could Jim Brown, this icon of the black freedom struggle, how could he possibly bury Colin Kaepernick in this way? How can he possibly go into the locker room and tell players to stand up and shut up during the national anthem? And part of what I'm arguing is that: No, these have always been his politics. He's always had this strain of conservatism in his politics that black people do not achieve advancement through the politics of protest, but through the politics of earning as much money as possible, and trying to get out of the capitalist system whatever they can for the purposes of building economic self-sufficiency. And protest is an impediment to that in the mind of Jim Brown. And those have always been his politics.

What I find so interesting is that his stature on the field, I think, blinded people to what his politics were. I'll tell you an example of this that I find so interesting, is I scoured the black press in 1968 for when Jim Brown endorsed Richard Nixon, and there are scathing editorials against other black celebrities who were endorsing Nixon, and you could not find a bad word about Jim Brown.

On the history of accusations against Jim Brown of violence against women

It's a series of accusations that go from the 1960s through the 1990s, and without a conviction. ... The repeated accusations and descriptions lead you to look at this as a situation where Jim Brown, at times in his life, definitely saw women as part of the problem, as something that would bring down the black family if they asserted themselves too much in the context of his life. And the accusations against Jim Brown are horrific, and they should be viewed as horrific. But it's important to say that when they took place, that's not how they were viewed — they were viewed with a nudge and a wink. And so part of what I'm writing this book is getting us to reassess those times and say: The time of nudging and winking and violence against women has to end — it has to go into the graveyard of history.
 
#TheRootArticles on twitter :rofl:

I know a certain person (who started the hashtag) hates The Root. They actually have pretty good articles for the most part. There's the occasional head scratcher posted by some intersectional whiner that I skip over but he blows it way out of proportion.
 
I know a certain person (who started the hashtag) hates The Root. They actually have pretty good articles for the most part. There's the occasional head scratcher posted by some intersectional whiner that I skip over but he blows it way out of proportion.

did you see that response tho? way out of proportion and almost in a way validated the hashtag :lol:

like i didnt like seeing that it was white owned but like you say a lot of what they produce isnt bad
 
did you see that response tho? way out of proportion and almost in a way validated the hashtag :lol:

like i didnt like seeing that it was white owned but like you say a lot of what they produce isnt bad

The parent company is white owned, but I believe the on-site management and editors are black. I mean, using white-owned twitter to go at white-owned The Root makes it a wash.
 
'Heroic, But He's No Hero': Revisiting Football Great Jim Brown
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Jim Brown, a star running back for the Cleveland Browns in the late 1950s and early 1960s, is the subject of a new biography by The Nation sports editor Dave Zirin.
Hulton Archive/Getty Images




The issue I have with the politics of Jim Brown and approaching Black liberation from the angle of self-sufficiency is that its success is highly dependent on who controls the political, social, and economic institutions.

Jim Brown's politics worked in Burkina Faso under Thomas Sankara because Burkinabe people were in control of their borders, resources, and courts. They were able to implement their ideas without disturbances from the outside (at first), which resulted in a very fast turnaround in terms of access to education, elimination of food insecurity, and general improvement of society.

You cannot apply the same tactics in the US because of demographics: Black people are not even the largest minority in the country; they don't control much in terms of wealth and politics. As a result, isolating themselves from US society at large in the quest for self-sufficiency is more likely to result in abandonment by society at large, especially when the unequal foundations on which this system is built continue to exist.
 
This should be listened to by us all. Great discussion, especially about HBCU

The Right Time with Bomani Jones

Bomani Jones is an American sports journalist and one of the most recognizable personalities at ESPN, being a regular panelist on Around the Horn, and co-hosting Highly Questionable. Now What? With Arian Foster is sponsored by SmartyPants Vitamins



Listening to 28. The Right Time with Bomani Jones from Now What? with Arian Foster. http://podbay.fm/show/1291152192/e/1525824000
 
This was a decent movie at best. Too many plot holes, everybody in the movie was acting dumb & there wasn’t enough backstory on any of the characters. Still i bought five tickets and enjoyed watching it on Mother’s Day with the family.
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http://www.wbtv.com/story/38198015/...lack-folks-need-to-stay-out-of-white-churches

While some pass by the New Era Baptist Church and never notice a sign in the church’s front yard, there are others, especially those who live nearby, who can't help but see it.

"I really think it shouldn't be up there," says 16-year old Keagan Edwards.

He doesn't live too far from the sign that reads: "Black Folks Need to Stay Out of White Churches."

On the other side, it says: "White folks refused to be our neighbors."

"I wouldn't have a problem going to a predominately white church because everyone's not racist and you've got to give somebody a chance," says Edwards.

We're not exactly sure what Pastor Michael R. Jordan meant by the sign. We tried reaching him through the church phone number, however, it was disconnected.

But Jordan is no stranger to controversy.

In 2013, after George Zimmerman was acquitted in the Trayvon Martin case, he put up a sign that read: "George Zimmerman Jury Supported White Racism."

The latest sign caught the attention of Birmingham Mayor Randall Woodfin.



"There is a spirit that is over this city that has to be brought down. A spirit of racism and division," Woodfin said in a Facebook post. "We have to change the conversation to what we need it to evolve into. Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that," the post went on to say.

William Summerville disagrees with the sign, but he feels there just may be some positive that can come from it. "It can bring a lot of people closer together because everybody is going to come together and start expressing their feelings and everybody can get on the same level and everybody can be happy," he says.
 
He Wanted a Cheeseburger, but He Changed History: Bruce Boynton is Unsung Civil Rights Hero

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In this Thursday, May 3, 2018 photo, Bruce Carver Boynton, whose arrest for sitting in the white section of a segregated bus station restaurant in 1958 led to a Supreme Court decision and inspired the Freedom Rides movement, speaks at his home in Selma, Ala. An event is being planned in Montgomery, Ala., on May 18 to recognize Boynton, a largely unknown pioneer of the civil rights movement. (AP Photo/Jay Reeves)(Jay Reeves)


https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/he_wanted_a_cheeseburger_but_h.html

Bruce Boynton is a civil rights pioneer most people have never heard of.

History books tell the story of his lawyer Thurgood Marshall, the first black U.S. Supreme Court justice, and Rosa Parks, who wouldn't give up her bus seat to a white man. Many even recall Boyton's mother, Amelia Boynton Robinson, who was savagely beaten while demonstrating for voting rights in 1965 and was honored by then-President Barack Obama 50 years later.

Yet Boynton is largely unknown, a historic figure seemingly forgotten by history. Admirers are trying to change that.

A black man arrested 60 years ago for entering the white part of a racially segregated bus station in Virginia, Boynton started a chain reaction that helped kill Jim Crow laws in the South. Boynton contested his conviction, and his appeal resulted in a Supreme Court decision that helped inspire the landmark "Freedom Rides" of 1961.

For all that and more, he will be honored Friday in Montgomery.

"His life is a teaching lesson for all of us about how we can make a difference," said U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson, who helped organize the event. "All he wanted was a cheeseburger, and he changed the course of history."

Now 80 and in frail health, Boynton is pleased to have accolades coming his way.


"I am very happy that at this stage of my life that there is this type of recognition," Boynton said during an interview earlier this month at his home in his native Selma.

Boynton was attending law school at Howard University in Washington, D.C., when he boarded a Trailways bus bound for Alabama in 1958. Public facilities including bus stations were separated by race across the South at the time, despite federal laws banning segregation in interstate travel.

The bus pulled in to a station in Richmond, Virginia, for a break, and Boynton went inside to eat. Seeing that the part of the restaurant meant for blacks had water on the floor and looked "very unsanitary," Boynton said he sat down in the "clinically clean" white area. He told the waitress he'd have a cheeseburger and tea, he said.

"She left and came back with the manager. The manager poked his finger in my face and said '******, move,'" said Boynton, whose mother and father were both early civil rights activists. "And I knew that I would not move and I refused to, and that was the case."

Convicted of trespassing, Boynton appealed and his case wound up before the Supreme Court with Marshall, then the nation's leading civil rights attorney, as his counsel.


In a 7-2 decision with the majority written by Justice Hugo Black, an Alabama native who had once been in the Ku Klux Klan, the court ruled in 1960 that federal discrimination prohibitions barring segregation on interstate buses also applied to bus stations and other facilities linked to interstate travel. The next year, dozens of black and white students set out on buses to travel the South and test whether the law was being followed.

The "Freedom Riders" were arrested or attacked in Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina, and a bus was burned. Then-President John F. Kennedy ordered stricter enforcement of federal anti-discrimination laws.

Boynton's act of defiance was a catalyst for the entire episode, but he didn't get much credit, said Thompson, who in 1980 became the second black federal judge to serve in Alabama.

"I think you can clearly say that he pretty much led to the Freedom Rides movement, but he'd never been acknowledged," said the judge. Now is the time to recognize Boynton, Thompson said.

Boynton paid a price for what he did.

Back home in Alabama following law school, Boynton wasn't able to get a law license even though he attempted to keep a low profile. "I didn't try to give any publicity to the case at the very beginning," he said.


Boynton moved to Tennessee to practice law and finally was admitted to the Alabama bar in 1966. He spent most of his career as a civil rights attorney before retirement.

The ceremony for Boynton will be held in Thompson's courtroom, which previously was used by the late U.S. Circuit Judge Frank M. Johnson Jr., who issued some of the most important decisions of the civil rights era. Boynton will speak about his life, Thompson said, and the talk will be recorded on video for historical archives.

Thompson said he most wants to hear why Boynton refused to leave that whites-only restaurant in 1958.

"He did something that very few people would have the courage to do. He said no," said Thompson. "To me he's on a par with Rosa Parks."
 
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media

MAY 18, 2018
Africatown
Just outside of Mobile, Alabama, sits the small community of Africatown, a town established by the last known slaves brought to America, illegally, in 1860. Decades after that last slave ship, The Clotilde, burned in the waters outside Mobile, Africatown residents are pushing back against the forces of industrial destruction and national amnesia. Local struggles over environmental justice, land ownership, and development could determine whether Africatown becomes an historical destination, a living monument to a lingering past — or whether shadows cast by highway overpasses and gasoline tanks will erase our country's hard-learned lessons. Brooke spoke with Deborah G. Plant, editor of a new book by Zora Neale Hurston's about a founder of Africatown, Joe Womack, environmental activist and Africatown resident, Vickii Howell, president and CEO of the MOVE Gulf Coast Community Development Corporation, Charles Torrey, research historian for the History Museum of Mobile, and others about the past, present, and future of Africatown, Alabama. Songs: Traditional African Nigerian Music of the Yoruba TribeDeath Have Mercy by Regina CarterSacred Oracle by John Zorn and Bill FrisellPassing Time by John RenbournThe Thompson Fields by Maria Schneider Jazz Orchestra
 
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media

MAY 18, 2018
Africatown
Just outside of Mobile, Alabama, sits the small community of Africatown, a town established by the last known slaves brought to America, illegally, in 1860. Decades after that last slave ship, The Clotilde, burned in the waters outside Mobile, Africatown residents are pushing back against the forces of industrial destruction and national amnesia. Local struggles over environmental justice, land ownership, and development could determine whether Africatown becomes an historical destination, a living monument to a lingering past — or whether shadows cast by highway overpasses and gasoline tanks will erase our country's hard-learned lessons. Brooke spoke with Deborah G. Plant, editor of a new book by Zora Neale Hurston's about a founder of Africatown, Joe Womack, environmental activist and Africatown resident, Vickii Howell, president and CEO of the MOVE Gulf Coast Community Development Corporation, Charles Torrey, research historian for the History Museum of Mobile, and others about the past, present, and future of Africatown, Alabama. Songs: Traditional African Nigerian Music of the Yoruba TribeDeath Have Mercy by Regina CarterSacred Oracle by John Zorn and Bill FrisellPassing Time by John RenbournThe Thompson Fields by Maria Schneider Jazz Orchestra

Cool. I needed a new podcast to listen too
 
Gaining International Recognition is the First Step in Securing Global Reparations for the Descendants of African Slaves

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https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...ht-for-Slavery-Reparations-20180510-0018.html

Venezuela is joining the Caribbean Community (Caricom) in the fight for global slavery reparations, discussing appropriate compensation for centuries of injustice.

During a speech entitled 'Reparations of Resistance to Action,' Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreazaurged Latin America and colonizing countries to assume responsibility for past wrongs which affected Africans and their ancestors around the world.

The Venezuelan government is working to guarantee that the social rights of residents of African descent are respected, and officials have opened the floor to dialogue for slavery reparations, Arreaza said.

According to the chair of the Caribbean Pan-African Network, David Comissiong, the meeting is the first step towards bringing the reparations movement to an international platform.

The cause was first proposed in 2013 by the 15-member Caricom, which lobbied against Britain and other colonizing western European countries. It is calling for reparations for centuries of enslavement and associatedcrimes against humanity, the effects of which are still felt by African descendants today.

Comissiong told teleSUR that Venezuela's support will allow the mission to expand internationally, substantiate the claim, and help to present the demands to the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States(Celac), the Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of Our America (Alba), the Non-Aligned Movement, and theUnited Nations.

"Venezuela now coming on board gives a tremendous boost to that campaign," Comissiong said. "People like myself have always been clear that the Caribbean reparations claim is only going to be successful when it is expanded into a kind of global Pan-African cause."

The next steps are to consolidate the Pan-African reparations campaign; build relations with countries such asChina, Russia and India; build embassies, and appoint ambassadors to the United Nations.

The event, which ended Wednesday, was an opportunity for Caribbean countries to reflect on what they can do both nationally and internationally to support the cause, Comissiong said.

"Reparations is both an outward process and at the same time it's an inward process," he said. "The outward process is where we level demands and claims in those liable European and North American governments and institutions for the damage inflicted by slavery.

"It is also an inward process where we look inwards at ourselves, at our own national societies, at our own governmental policies, at the damage that has been done at a cultural and psychic level.

"That inward process says to us that we have to do several things. One, that we have to teach our people the history: the history of pre-slavery, pre-colonial Africa, the history of European colonization and enslavement, the history of our people's resistance.

"Secondly, we have to look inwards and identify all those still existing negative policies and barriers to the progress and development of African descended people and we have to root them up and get rid of them.

“We have to mobilize a massive global movement in favor and in support of reparations and, at the same time, we have to isolate those recalcitrant western and North American governments that have been audaciously resisting this claim which is based on justice, legality, and righteousness, so Venezuela can play a very big role on internationalizing this campaign that was started in 2013 by 15 relatively small Caribbean nations."
 
Once a Homeless Addict, He Learned to Read at 37. Now, He’s a College Graduate.

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Freddie Sherrill at his graduation from Queens University of Charlotte. (Courtesy of Queens University)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...es-a-college-graduate/?utm_term=.7e5050448312

Freddie Sherrill was homeless, an alcoholic and drug addict, and he used to steal his kids’ Christmas presents from under the tree and sell them. He was eating out of dumpsters. He could not read or write.

Sherrill spent years in and out of prison and rehab centers in North Carolina. He once threw a brick through a store’s glass window on a freezing night so police would bring him in from the cold. But after a long and painful journey, Sherrill was able to claw his way back to sobriety and he even learned to read.

In one of his biggest accomplishments yet, he graduated from Queens University of Charlotte with a bachelor’s degree earlier this month at age 65.

“I started a lot of things in my life I didn’t finish,” Sherrill said. “College wasn’t going to be one of them.”

Sherrill’s troubles started at a very young age. He had a hard time learning to read when he was a kid growing up in Charlotte in the early 1960s, and he was embarrassed about it. To distract his teacher, he used to put tacks on her chair, or worse, steal money from her purse.

By the time he was 8, he was skipping school regularly and stealing from the grocery store to feed himself and his four younger siblings. His family home was so dilapidated that when it rained outside he’d get wet inside.

Sherrill was hanging out with teenagers who gave him wine, and he quickly developed a drinking habit, then a drug problem.

“I used to be a shy kid, but when I took my first drink of alcohol, it made it all go away,” he said. “It was the first time I felt like I fit in.”

He started breaking into homes and stealing purses, and as a teen eventually ended up in and out of prison and various treatment centers and halfway houses. This continued through his 20s and late into his 30s.

“I was stealing so much — stealing from neighbors, stealing my nephew’s clothes to sell,” he said.

He got married and had a couple of children, but he was an absentee husband and father. One day in 1988, he used his last few dollars to buy a bottle of wine, but his hands we so shaky, he dropped it and it shattered on the ground.

“I was crying, and I was trying to get a drink off the broken glass,” he said.

He walked over to nearby train tracks with a pistol in his hand and pointed it at his head. He pulled the trigger. The gun didn’t go off. Sherrill took it as a sign.

“I was tired of hurting everybody around me,” he said. “That was the beginning.”

None of the rehab centers in Charlotte would take him back. But a social worker found a halfway house in Morganton, N.C., about 60 miles from Charlotte, that accepted him. Starting fresh, he finally stopped drinking and using drugs.

He started doing yard work for a woman who brought him along to First Presbyterian Church of Morganton. The pastor hired Sherrill to work on the grounds and other jobs. He said the pastor was the first man who ever trusted him.

Sherrill cared about honoring that trust, and he even started to care about himself. He went to a literacy center and started learning the basics.

“I spent a lot of time taking chances doing negative things,” he said. “It was time for me to start taking chances doing positive things.”

After a time, he convinced his wife to move to Morganton and bring their five children. Two of his daughters were in second and fourth grade; he couldn’t help them with their homework.

“I could read Cat in the Hat books, I practiced those with my daughters,” he said. “They could read better than I could.”

Little by little, he learned to read and write. He took the high school equivalency exam five times and failed. On the sixth, he passed with one point to spare.

“When I stopped drinking and using drugs and alcohol, my whole life was different,” he said. “It was like going from being blind to learning to see. I wanted to be a father. I wanted to be part of the world.”

He had never had a bank account, so his friends at the church helped him open one.

“Today kids learn that in first and second grade,” he said. “I had to get rid of the shame and admit I didn’t know how to do things.”

And he wanted a better life for his children. “I was determined my children would not grow up like I did,” he said.

He moved back to Charlotte for a job as an events setup coordinator for Myers Park Presbyterian Church. He started taking college classes. It took him eight years to earn his associate’s degree.

Around that time his son was close to graduating from high school. Sherrill went by Queens University to figure out how to help his son apply for entry, and also for financial aid. The staff explained the process and told him he should apply himself. He declined, saying he was too old, but he helped his son successfully apply to North Carolina A&T University in Greensboro.

Then he had an idea.

He wanted to be sure his son stayed in college, so he came up with a challenge. He’d enroll and have a little friendly competition with his son: Whoever got the best GPA at the end of each semester would give the other one $100.

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Sherrill hugs Michael Tarwater, chairman of the Board of Trustees at Queens University, after receiving his diploma (Courtesy of Queens University)

“I was challenging my son so he wouldn’t drop out,” Sherrill said.

In the process, he found he was enjoying taking college classes, and also feeling great about himself. His son graduated in four and a half years and is now a financial adviser with Merrill Lynch. It took Sherrill eight years, but he graduated on May 5 with a degree in human service studies. He’d like to get a job working with underprivileged kids.

“I’m having a different feeling about myself, my self-esteem,” he said.

He’s been sober for 29 years. And he has a college degree. He marvels at both of those things.

“It’s surreal. I’m still pinching myself that this is something I actually accomplished,” he said. “It’s hard to believe it.”
 
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