Black Culture Discussion Thread

This Mo'nique situation has me wondering if relevance and "brand worth" are being considered during these negotiations. Mo hasn't hit anything worthwhile in almost 10 years but thinks because of her history she considers herself the "most decorated comedian alive". Saw on Wendy Williams that Wanda Sykes ran into a similar issue with somebody and was offered 250k and decided to go to a different channel for more money. But to me it doesn't seem to be about them being black or female but the fact of who is asking or waiting to hear from either of them?
 
Wanda sykes is butt and so is Mo’Nique it’s not a race or sex issue they’re both just garbage and the majority of people agree. Case closed.
 
Mo must have had one heck of a routine if she's turning down 500K. That seems like a nice amount of money for a comedian, especially one that isn't all that relevant.
The only thing she's done recently that had my interest was that Almost Christmas movie that dropped in 2016.

This is one of those situations where she should have just kept this on the hush. Netflix didn't do anything that would be considered boycott worthy. Just go to their competition if you really feel some type of way.

Hell I'm pretty sure she could have placed that joint on YouTube or Itunes for her own set price.
 
goledensilence said:
The only thing she's done recently that had my interest was that Almost Christmas movie that dropped in 2016.

This is one of those situations where she should have just kept this on the hush. Netflix didn't do anything that would be considered boycott worthy. Just go to their competition if you really feel some type of way
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Told my homeboy the same thing. Almost Christmas was super trash. She want to compare her purse to Shumer's while Shumer's last major movie was Trainwreck that did numbers, while AC just did enough to be profit.
 
iamdef said:
This Mo'nique situation has me wondering if relevance and "brand worth" are being considered during these negotiations. Mo hasn't hit anything worthwhile in almost 10 years but thinks because of her history she considers herself the "most decorated comedian alive". Saw on Wendy Williams that Wanda Sykes ran into a similar issue with somebody and was offered 250k and decided to go to a different channel for more money. But to me it doesn't seem to be about them being black or female but the fact of who is asking or waiting to hear from either of them?
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i would think yes & no, you have to remember netflix generally doesn't give numbers on any of its content...it doesn't matter as such, they're in it for content that appeals to certain demographics within its subscriber base; so imcan imagine they might give things a try if the believe in something...but i would imagine netflix uses a broad base of metrics to decide what they will invest in & how much...to really validate her claim we'd need to know what the going rate for the typical comedian (or maybe comedienne, to be even more specific, and if you wanted to be laser focused black comediennes) at netflix (and they has been going in heavy on comedy specials, so they must have a good comparative analysis to decide what to give to whom) & in the market generally...

i would not be surprised if netflix was just much more willing to overpay for amy, chris, & dave because it might be worth it to basically exclusively (if it is exclusive) own that content, that said there definitely seems that not many black comediennes get the type of payday(s), & shine as their counterparts, it will be more telling if/when the likes of tiffany haddish get similar treatment...

goledensilence said:
Mo must have had one heck of a routine if she's turning down 500K. That seems like a nice amount of money for a comedian, especially one that isn't all that relevant...

This is one of those situations where she should have just kept this on the hush. Netflix didn't do anything that would be considered boycott worthy. Just go to their competition if you really feel some type of way.
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thing is, it don't seem in her nature to chill on these tings...i watched a couple of the interviews she did with sway and i could totally believe she has reputation that makes people not want to mess with her...publicly talking about private convos negatively about folk you are or potentially getting money with is just bad for business, few have the clout for that to be overlooked...especially being this started with her wanting to get paid for promo runs, something most actors typically do for free because it is of mutual benefit to the film and the actor's career, which is all that them people were trying to tell her privately; she is a comedian with a name though, so she can always get to the money on that end by getting on the roads...she did say netflix could make it right by giving her that "legend" 20 mil bag tho, which makes me think this is more a kinda negotiation, otherwise the bag couldn't be a fundamental fix.
 
tokes99 said:
i would think yes & no, you have to remember netflix generally doesn't give numbers on any of its content...it doesn't matter as such, they're in it for content that appeals to certain demographics within its subscriber base; so imcan imagine they might give things a try if the believe in something...but i would imagine netflix uses a broad base of metrics to decide what they will invest in & how much...to really validate her claim we'd need to know what the going rate for the typical comedian (or maybe comedienne, to be even more specific, and if you wanted to be laser focused black comediennes) at netflix (and they has been going in heavy on comedy specials, so they must have a good comparative analysis to decide what to give to whom) & in the market generally...

i would not be surprised if netflix was just much more willing to overpay for amy, chris, & dave because it might be worth it to basically exclusively (if it is exclusive) own that content, that said there definitely seems that not many black comediennes get the type of payday(s), & shine as their counterparts, it will be more telling if/when the likes of tiffany haddish get similar treatment...
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I would think that considering Mo's history regarding her blackballing that may have also effected her specials "worth".

I'm curious to know if there was any negotiations at all or she was offered the 500k and went off on em. Like how much back and forth went down.
 
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iamdef said:
I would think that considering Mo's history regarding her blackballing that may have also effected her specials "worth".

I'm curious to know if there was any negotiations at all or she was offered the 500k and went off on em. Like how much back and forth went down.
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possibly...but not necessarily...

negotiations i don't think are generally ever publicly available because it kinda levels the playing field against business right (it is just more information you could leverage against business); i mean if you have a salaried job and are able negotiate yourself a higher salary, i believe you technically aren't even allowed to disclose/discuss that information. when chappelle walked away from the chappelle show, supposedly part of if was that comedy central either cut him out of the dvd sales (which i think was record breaking at the time) or lowballed him on his cut...but dave himself has never publicly said this as far as i know...

ultimately i don't believe it would make things that any more clear to know how the negotiation went down, because if you walk in thinking you should get 10s of millions and you get an offer of 500k the chasm is so wide...what would there be to negotiate??? but if you're curious you should check the recent sway interview where she gets into many of the things around it...
 
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i think what happened to dave was he initially signed his contract to receive a very lucrative percentage of the back end profits for the show

at the time CC didnt know or think to expect daves show taking off to such heights

so CC actually refused to honor the original contract because they were losing too much money

and basically strongarmed dave into 10% or the famous 50 million he walked away from
 
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hand2handking said:
i think what happened to dave was he inirially signed his contract to receive a very lucrative percentage of the back end profits for the show

at the time CC didnt know or think to expect daves show taking off to such heights

so CC actually refused to honor the original contract because they were losing too much money

and basically strongarmed dave into 10% or the famous 50 million he walked away from
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sounds similar, but where did you get this? has dave ever spoke on it with these details? it crazy they didn't honor their contract...i do wonder on what grounds they were able to avoid honoring it
 
i think katt spoke on it in a video i posted a couple pages back

and i think the grounds were literally that the show exceeded expectations

like their argument was they have to properly market the show to meet demand
 
hand2handking said:
i think katt spoke on it in a video i posted a couple pages back

and i think the grounds were literally that the show exceeded expectations

like their argument was they have to properly market the show to meet demand
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come to think, that may be what i saw as well...still that seems quite mad that because the shows was more successful than anticipated they could skirt the deal, i mean he did his part...but it is prolly is likely they had some clause in fine print to change the terms? otherwise i would think a good lawyer could get it worked it out??
 
worked out could be years of litigation, lawyer fees

it could have been as simple as the contract being subject to change at CC "discretion" considering they essentially have all the leverage

dave prolly said man if i aint have these kids to feed

and like you said he settled for that "lowball"

its prolly part of him that still eats at him like he shoulda fought for what was his
 
Saw that on FB. Can't say I'd be outraged at Walmart considering it's not a national policy to lock up those products. I'd assume those specifically are being stolen at a larger rate than others.

Could be something but idk
 
I saw that too. I'm up and Philly and throughout the entire city there is a huge racial undertone when it comes to shoplifting. Literally all races do it however; black people are the ones demonized for it. White folk get away with shop lifting so easily over here that they don't even hide it. My friends at J crew and RL tell me about it all the time but they are required to follow black people around. It is a store policy at alot of the retailors here.
 
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