Black Culture Discussion Thread

[gwap]

 
the blatant brutality 

1st a little baby scratch ..that they get away with 

then a bullet 

I'm pretty sure slavery, lynchings,and even michael brown's shooting death happened before this baby scratch,....

So what are you talking about?

 

[Quincy McCall]

Prada just discount this one and charge it to the game,

 you know NT can NT.

 

[drones]

So, Justin Bieber is back to being white again.

http://www.today.com/popculture/justin-bieber-releases-apology-video-im-not-who-i-was-2D80459458

The guy apologizes on Ellen Degeneres show and white America instantly brings him back into the fold.  And once again, black folks are left at the altar by the same SWS they thought was down with them. 

  

I hope this wakes more of us up that that white dude with a backwards hat saying '*****' with Jordans on can and WILL instantly play his white card and leave your *** hanging in the breeze.  Once he feels you're not cool to hang with, that is.

 

[georgescorewell]

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[dathbgboy]

Can't remember if I posted this in here, but I had a conversation in a group on FB about Blacks and how to reach them. I came to the conclusion that the only way to do that is to do what the media and corporate America has been doing for a very long time and that's manipulate them.

It sounds bad using that term but not all manipulation is bad....as long as it's done for the good of someone i.e. pretending that food is really tasty so that a kid would eat because it's nutritious.

But I said that because many have tried to talk to us, whether talking at us, preaching to us, etc. By telling someone what to do, you are usually met with opposition. The media subconsciously feeds negative things and over time, it's seen as a great thing; so why can't those that want better for us do the same thing?

 

[drones]

Can't remember if I posted this in here, but I had a conversation in a group on FB about Blacks and how to reach them. I came to the conclusion that the only way to do that is to do what the media and corporate America has been doing for a very long time and that's manipulate them.

It sounds bad using that term but not all manipulation is bad....as long as it's done for the good of someone i.e. pretending that food is really tasty so that a kid would eat because it's nutritious.

But I said that because many have tried to talk to us, whether talking at us, preaching to us, etc. By telling someone what to do, you are usually met with opposition. The media subconsciously feeds negative things and over time, it's seen as a great thing; so why can't those that want better for us do the same thing?

That's a good question, you'd think that manipulation would be in our playbook by now.  

But In my opinion, if you have to trick people into cooperating with you, they probably weren't worth bringing along in the first place.

$.02

 

[urbetterthenme]

 
So, Justin Bieber is back to being white again.

http://www.today.com/popculture/justin-bieber-releases-apology-video-im-not-who-i-was-2D80459458

The guy apologizes on Ellen Degeneres show and white America instantly brings him back into the fold.  And once again, black folks are left at the altar by the same SWS they thought was down with them. 

  

I hope this wakes more of us up that that white dude with a backwards hat saying '*****' with Jordans on can and WILL instantly play his white card and leave your *** hanging in the breeze.  Once he feels you're not cool to hang with, that is.

LOL Bruh, yall coming across sensative. Like really?

 

[dathbgboy]

Can't remember if I posted this in here, but I had a conversation in a group on FB about Blacks and how to reach them. I came to the conclusion that the only way to do that is to do what the media and corporate America has been doing for a very long time and that's manipulate them.


It sounds bad using that term but not all manipulation is bad....as long as it's done for the good of someone i.e. pretending that food is really tasty so that a kid would eat because it's nutritious.


But I said that because many have tried to talk to us, whether talking at us, preaching to us, etc. By telling someone what to do, you are usually met with opposition. The media subconsciously feeds negative things and over time, it's seen as a great thing; so why can't those that want better for us do the same thing?

That's a good question, you'd think that manipulation would be in our playbook by now.  

But In my opinion, if you have to trick people into cooperating with you, they probably weren't worth bringing along in the first place.

$.02

On a small scale, I agree. But on a massive scale like this I would think otherwise.

I was talking with my wife about integration and how it had an overall negative impact on Blacks. Prior to, you had thriving Black neighborhoods and businesses, Hell Gus Greenlee had his own baseball stadium. It's like once integration happened, Blacks forgot how to flourish unless it was sports (and later down the line music). Money stopped being circulated in Black communities and the businesses met their demise.

Blacks wanted so much to be accepted into this society that they became blind to the bigger picture, which is making sure your race, culture, hertige, etc. survived and prospered. Now, whatever the media tells u what is best for u, they listen. White ppl and other races can get sucked into and be ok because they have a foundation. If you think about it, Blacks were the only race that didn't come here on their own free will and was stripped of their heritage and culture.

The media and this society is steadily trying to keep that going. You have Black teachers firing other Black teachers for wanting to teach young black children about Kawnzaa and other things that are beneficial to the growth of a race; no other race is targeted and attacked like this.

The system is designed to keep Blacks down and it's done so by allowing us to devalue our worth in music, reinforcing it in shows, meeting those that want better for us w/ obscurity, and keeping us separated by our money by telling us what we should buy.


Or maybe I'm reachig.

 

[victor page]

Not reaching at all. Music and Television has always been propaganda tools. Look at Nazi Germany. They thought their kids that JEWS were evil ugly monsters through cartoons that looked no different than the we ones we grew up watching on Saturday morning.

 

[tokes99]

On a small scale, I agree. But on a massive scale like this I would think otherwise.

I was talking with my wife about integration and how it had an overall negative impact on Blacks. Prior to, you had thriving Black neighborhoods and businesses, Hell Gus Greenlee had his own baseball stadium. It's like once integration happened, Blacks forgot how to flourish unless it was sports (and later down the line music). Money stopped being circulated in Black communities and the businesses met their demise.

Blacks wanted so much to be accepted into this society that they became blind to the bigger picture, which is making sure your race, culture, hertige, etc. survived and prospered. Now, whatever the media tells u what is best for u, they listen. White ppl and other races can get sucked into and be ok because they have a foundation. If you think about it, Blacks were the only race that didn't come here on their own free will and was stripped of their heritage and culture.

The media and this society is steadily trying to keep that going. You have Black teachers firing other Black teachers for wanting to teach young black children about Kawnzaa and other things that are beneficial to the growth of a race; no other race is targeted and attacked like this.

The system is designed to keep Blacks down and it's done so by allowing us to devalue our worth in music, reinforcing it in shows, meeting those that want better for us w/ obscurity, and keeping us separated by our money by telling us what we should buy.


Or maybe I'm reachig.

you'd be surprised on just how discriminatory this country has been to various people at various times, the irish, italians, polish, jewish, asian, native americans, all have been treated pretty foully at times (nowhere near what we of african descent have had to endure, just making the point that every culture exhibits some display of xenophobia...)

to some extent, the argument that something was fundamentally lost in integration, has a lot of truth to it...but i think to say that obscures some of the fact that all black folk did not get along; for instance in the great migration when many blacks moved up north to places like chicago & detroit there was a bit of conflict between blacks who were already lived there and increasingly numerous blacks coming up from the south, and because most cities at the time relegated blacks to the same areas, the 'old' northern blacks tried moving to better neighborhoods away from the 'new' southern blacks (somewhat similar to 'white flight' only with less options and in cities like chicago that many discriminatory housing practices many that tried to move up ended up getting got by shady real estate brokers and/or ending up the focus of ire & terrorism from the community they were integrating). so there was that bit of a schism or divide between black folk, that pre-existed integration. the other thing that made integration the only option, was the separate but equal ideology did not necessarily solve the problem and maybe in some ways made black communities easier targets for white terrorism, so it is hard to say that white folk would have even honored such an arrangement...so while communities may have been doing well, it also under this veil of REAL unfettered white supremacy, and essential having inconsistent or no protections/trust by institutions...

blacks in america after the world wars were greatly affected by a confluence of things, after the civil rights movement of the 60s, there was still blatant discrimination and de facto jim crow, much of the manufacturing industry had already begun to decline after peaking shortly after the second world war, so that a sector that provided many blacks with stable, well paying employment, that did not require much skill & by which an easily accessible means to improve their lives was declining, at the same time more women were also entering the workforce through service jobs, and many whites were leaving the cities en masse for suburbs, thus decreasing the tax base, contributing to a decline in the d=general quality of neighborhoods. under such circumstances, it is hard to see how many enclaves of black communities could have survived being hit form all sides, and indeed many did not. and other factors like crime, drugs, family structure are things that contribute during this time as well...

here is the thing, 'the system' was constructed by and for the providence of the white anglo saxon protestant male, so in a very real historical sense it is undeniably true that under that belief anyone who did not fall under classification was treated with indifference at best & mostly with violent hostility. now it hasn't just disappeared and the effects of which are still here to be seen, however it isn't all bad (by far the disadvantaged position is class & not race these days) and to use sweeping generalizations about the state of 'black culture' (of which i think can be disputed as to the singularity that term implies) being in disrepair does not acknowledge how much and what has been achieved...

 

[dathbgboy]

tokes99 I am definitely not denying the discrimination of other nationalities and races, that would be ignorant of me. However, I believe that the impact on their discrimination is nothing compared to what Blacks have experienced. Treatment aside, I would say the impact hit our race more because we didn't have a foundation of culture to "retreat" to. The foundation we had was what the slave masters told us to adopt.

Japanese were treated bad w/ the internment camps, however, they still had a country that would support them and fight for them under certain circumstances. The same with other cultures and nationalities, nobody in Africa related to Black Americans because they were a few centuries removed from their home country and culture.

It's almost like this, and pardon the analogy if it's a little confusing: you're outside and It's 10 degrees out, you're freezing but u march on knowing you have the comfort of your warm home to look forward to. Now imagine the homeless person, they don't have that home to look forward to so they find whatever they can to try and warm themselves up which could be nothing more than a cardboard box.

This is how I feel about the suffering and mistreatment of Blacks in America.

here is the thing, 'the system' was constructed by and for the providence of the white anglo saxon protestant male, so in a very real historical sense it is undeniably true that under that belief anyone who did not fall under classification was treated with indifference at best & mostly with violent hostility. now it hasn't just disappeared and the effects of which are still here to be seen, however it isn't all bad (by far the disadvantaged position is class & not race these days) and to use sweeping generalizations about the state of 'black culture' (of which i think can be disputed as to the singularity that term implies) being in disrepair does not acknowledge how much and what has been achieved...

The term Black culture for me is used for lack of a better term I mean, what can we really call it? And through the turmoil and struggle, progress has been made, only a fool would deny that. It just saddens me to see those who look like you in such a hurting state (may not really see it on the surface but you can feel it in your spirit) and not seeing many ppl fed up with it to start wanting more. And you can't reach them or wouldn't even know where to begin to try and reach them.

 

[Brownstone]

Props for this thread, a lot of folks telling it how it is. Proud lurker 

 

[tekthemaestro]

KANYE is a true clown & a total sell out...Talks all that conscious talk but approved this....

Kanye down for anything to get some attention in the fashion industry isnt he?....

i havent supported kanye in a LONG time. and that trend shall continue.

As for Justin Bieber, we all saw it coming. it happens every time. Someone white picks up the black culture to gain a cool or rebel status. Dives into the culture, surrounds themselves with B, C, often D-list black celebrities to mentor them in the ways of *******. But once the hype and buzz and attention from their new-found attitude and stunts fades... they go back to being white, apologize or say they've changed to re-up on attention from yet another new-found attitude and prosper. 

"everybody wanna be a n****, but nobody wants to be a n****"

we're gonna see the SAME thing happen with iggy by next year. miley already flipped back. once "acting black/urban" doesn't garner any more attention...its right back to being their old selves again. 

 

[nikeskywalker]

PLAYBOY get mention here yet???

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO PARIS,

DIDNT MARVIN HAGLER MOVE TO PARIS AFTER HE LIST THE SUGAR RAY DECISION

 

[mr s j king]

For quite some time I thought MLK was soft and wanted us to integrate and "fit in" with mainstream America.
But the more and more I listened to his speeches and read his responses to different questions, I realized he didn't want to integrate at all.

He wanted equality and he didn't have a price. Neither did Malcolm X.
You couldn't buy those brothers.
But once they got them out the way and identified the "black leaders" that could be bought, all progress towards equality in the financial sense of equality immediately ceased.

MLK and Malcolm wanted our neighborhoods and schools improved.
The plan wasn't to just go to school with them.
The plan was to make our schools equal. Give us better text books, better buildings, funding to properly pay our teachers a decent wage, funding to make sure our kids get proper nutrition while at school.
MLK and Malcolm X were about to put on a full court press against the financial powers in this country, and that's when the shots started ringing out.
As long as we were marching and demonstrating it was all good.
The minute we started asking for our money that they stole from our ancestors, they hired hit men to take our leaders out.

dathbgboy you are absolutely correct, full fledged integration was never the plan anyway.
Because if it was we wouldn't have "white flight".
They didn't want it and neither did we.

 

[trueprada]

 
I'm pretty sure slavery, lynchings,and even michael brown's shooting death happened before this baby scratch,....

So what are you talking about?

u win fam 

scratch was shown for prof im sure 

 
Prada just discount this one and charge it to the game,

 you know NT can NT.

+1 

 

[mr s j king]

trueprada I don't think he read your post correctly.
The two of you are in agreement on the subject.

 

[tay1]

David Oyelowo commenting on the recognition Black actors receive.

“Historically, and this is truly my feeling, generally speaking we as black people have been celebrated more for when we are subservient, when we are not being leaders or kings, or being in the center or our own narrative driving it forward”

"Oyelowo may have been referring to some of the Oscar-nominated performances by black actors and actresses who have indeed portrayed similar roles as those he's described, including Lupita Nyong'o as a slave in 2014's "12 Years A Slave" or Octavia Butler as a maid in 2011's "The Help."

“We have been slaves, we have been domestic servants, we have been criminals,” he continued. “We have been all of those things, but we’ve been leaders, we’ve been kings, we’ve been those who changed the world. And those films, where that is the case, is so hard to get made.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/...les_n_6598036.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047

 

[luckyluchiano]

David Oyelowo commenting on the recognition Black actors receive.

“Historically, and this is truly my feeling, generally speaking we as black people have been celebrated more for when we are subservient, when we are not being leaders or kings, or being in the center or our own narrative driving it forward”

"Oyelowo may have been referring to some of the Oscar-nominated performances by black actors and actresses who have indeed portrayed similar roles as those he's described, including Lupita Nyong'o as a slave in 2014's "12 Years A Slave" or Octavia Butler as a maid in 2011's "The Help."

“We have been slaves, we have been domestic servants, we have been criminals,” he continued. “We have been all of those things, but we’ve been leaders, we’ve been kings, we’ve been those who changed the world. And those films, where that is the case, is so hard to get made.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/...les_n_6598036.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047

man who cares what white people think of us. We don't need their damn awards or approval.

 

[trueprada]

http://blackamericaweb.com/2015/02/02/unemployment-still-twice-as-high-for-black-men/

Although the unemployment rate for African-American men has dropped, there still remains a major disparity between other racial groups. The jobless rate for Black men in this country is twice as high as those of Whites, Asians, and Hispanics. Despite the unemployment rate for African-American men remaining in double digits, there has been some progress for them in the workforce. According to a recent report released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the unemployment rate for Black men dropped from 11.2 percent to 11.0 percent in December 2014, and the rate of African-American men participating in the labor force is on the rise: it increased from 66.9 percent in November to 67.8 percent in December. Many Black men are finding jobs in professional and business services, food services, bars, manufacturing, and construction.

 

[tay1]

man who cares what white people think of us. We don't need their damn awards or approval.

Agreed. But the last statement I included:

“We have been slaves, we have been domestic servants, we have been criminals,” he continued. “We have been all of those things, but we’ve been leaders, we’ve been kings, we’ve been those who changed the world. And those films, where that is the case, is so hard to get made.”

is something that a lot of people need to read & understand.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Agreed. But the last statement I included:

“We have been slaves, we have been domestic servants, we have been criminals,” he continued. “We have been all of those things, but we’ve been leaders, we’ve been kings, we’ve been those who changed the world. And those films, where that is the case, is so hard to get made.”

is something that a lot of people need to read & understand.

Thing is these hollywood cats can EASILY pool money together and make their own films, and trust blacks will support it, look at how Blacks went out to see Best Man. Actors put their egos aside and take pay cuts in the early stages we can easy have our own parallel Media/Entertainment.

 

[tay1]

Thing is these hollywood cats can EASILY pool money together and make their own films, and trust blacks will support it, look at how Blacks went out to see Best Man. Actors put their egos aside and take pay cuts in the early stages we can easy have our own parallel Media/Entertainment.

It should be that easy, but it must not be since it isn't happening. We gotta start from somewhere. Hopefully with movies like Selma, Top 5, Dear White People and others that were directed by black folk and have majority black casts become more common, but there's still a long way to go.

 

[luckyluchiano]

It should be that easy, but it must not be since it isn't happening. We gotta start from somewhere. Hopefully with movies like Selma, Top 5, Dear White People and others that were directed by black folk and have majority black casts become more common, but there's still a long way to go.

Nah it is that easy, Blacks just live or die by having a White Master. Look at the music industry, in an internet age where you don't need a deal you still have cats signing terrible deals. We brag about how Jay Z is such a boss, but he is still a pawn to major labels. Why haven't Jay and Beyonce started their own Distribution company? Because that will piss whites off and they will lose their endorsements and such. Can't call yourself a boss if someone else writes your checks. IMO a power move would be Tyler Perry funding young independent film makers and allowing them to use his studios, and he of course gets kick back like 10-15% of revenue from the films.

At the end of the day I can't tell people what to do with their lives or money, but I will continue to be selective with where I spend my money, and "Entertainment" isn't my expertise, so I don't care about slave movies and stuff because I don't even watch much hollywood stuff.

 

[tay1]

Nah it is that easy, Blacks just live or die by having a White Master. Look at the music industry, in an internet age where you don't need a deal you still have cats signing terrible deals. We brag about how Jay Z is such a boss, but he is still a pawn to major labels. Why haven't Jay and Beyonce started their own Distribution company? Because that will piss whites off and they will lose their endorsements and such. Can't call yourself a boss if someone else writes your checks. IMO a power move would be Tyler Perry funding young independent film makers and allowing them to use his studios, and he of course gets kick back like 10-15% of revenue from the films.

At the end of the day I can't tell people what to do with their lives or money, but I will continue to be selective with where I spend my money, and "Entertainment" isn't my expertise, so I don't care about slave movies and stuff because I don't even watch much hollywood stuff.

Folks signing bad music deals is mainly due to ignorance, and people not wanting to handle everything themselves and go the indie route.

I'd imagine operating a distribution company cost a lot of bread. That may be something they aren't willing to get into at this point. Now, I do believe folks like Jay, Diddy, and one more person should band together and make some kind of move, but it's easy for me to say seeing how I don't have nearly as much money as they do. It's hard enough to get people unified on a certain idea, just imagine what it's like for mega millionaires when it comes to their money.

And I don't watch much in hollywood either outside of superhero movies and the occasional action film.