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99999999996 i think.Originally Posted by ElijahDukes
just curious what year was zoom air invented/developed? IMO it is the best technology
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99999999996 i think.Originally Posted by ElijahDukes
just curious what year was zoom air invented/developed? IMO it is the best technology
I can't speak for hoops, but I did play tennis in the 90's and still do now on a weekly basis. While I didn't play in the Air Ace 3/4, I did play in the Air Tech Challenge III (1991), IV (1992), Air Challenge Huarache (late 1992) and a few other Agassi models in the mid-to-late 90's. A few years ago I tried out the Air Max Breathe Cage and right now I'm using the Zoom Tennis Trainer. Based on a comparison between the 90's tennis shoes and the ones we have now, I respectfully disagree with his statement that the older shoes were better than the ones we have today. Durability, comfort, support, etc are all better now IMO.Originally Posted by RFX45
This is not just true for BBall, its true for tennis as well. The Nike Air Ace 3/4 was the best tennis shoe I ever owned (1990), and they were there for a year and gone. Bought 2 pairs, stupid me. I wasnt the only one, I had a few customers buy a few pairs of them because they agreed they were great.
The hell does beating a pair of shoes up through year-round weather conditions while not playing basketball have to do with performance?Originally Posted by ssgefiestoakagerger
I can't speak for top-tier performance, but I remember 90's bball shoes were built like a tank. Usually it would be two pair of shoes for the school year- pair per fall then spring. Recess, run around, kick in 'em, rain, snow whatever. Try to do that with some Kobe V's or hyperdunks
I could vouch for XI's being on sale because I remember my dad buying Concords and Bred 11s at our local Folsom Nike Outlet back then.Originally Posted by Magic1978
Please show me these Eastbay's that had adult sizes that were on sale of the XI. I've been getting Eastbay's since high school. Eastbay's back then were a hot commodity, because there wasn't a HOH, Niketown or buying online. Jordan's didn't sell out back then first day, mainly because they used to be released during the week, but they sure didn't sit forever to go on sale 40% off, especially ones released that he played in. I would have been all over them, since I couldn't afford them in high school or college unless they went on sale or came out during the summer. Jordan IX's were the first ones that had a lull, which coincided with his retirement. Now Jordan XII's didn't sell well, because I got my playoffs mad cheap. But come on yo, tell that XI thing to someone who doesn't know about sneakers and wasn't there when the OG's came out. You're trying to rewrite history or something.Originally Posted by RFX45
Originally Posted by Magic1978
Concord's sat on shelves and went on sale? No they didn't.Originally Posted by RFX45
To be fair, when those OGs came out back then, no one rushed to buy them either. I mean even the XI's sat in shelves and went on sale. Retroes sells right now not just because of how it looks, I mean yes most look great but it is also partly because it is either limited or just hyped out of proportion. There were some instances the non-retro Air Jordans sold out on release date during the peak of the retro hype, the most recent being the XX's and XXIII's. I believe the XX's are actually because of hype and that it actually looked good while the XXIII's mainly sold out because of how limited it was and the significance of it being #23.
So I wouldn't really say that the shoes today doesn't sell out because they look ugly, people just know that eventually it will go on sale, at least the non-limited versions. I am actually surprised at how well the new Kobes are selling, even the non-limited versions sold out in some stores and people were clamoring to get them earlier. The Kobes doesn't sellout within minutes like AJ retroes but they do sell out within weeks/months at Eastbay at times, which is rather impressive if you think about it. Most new models sit til they go on sale before selling out or hitting the outlets.
Being that I was around for a lot of the retros being released now, most of them were more popular back then, that's why they're being released now. Granted, there were less sneakers released. But how many Nike's released now will be retroed in 10 or 20 years? Will people even want them released? Nobody will care if they aren't Kobe's or Lebron's. Did anyone care about Vince's HOH kicks?
And the majority of people buy sneakers, because of how they look, not performance. That's why fusions are so popular.
People buy retros for nostalgia and also appearance. Kids today, the sneakers they have nostalgia for, will be retros.
Yah, OG Concords went on sale. You can find old Eastbays where the prices were slashed by 30%-40% off and it was still fsr. Most of the retroes are being released now because they were popular, thats true, but not because they sold out when they first released. Outside of retroes and limited edition shoes, I don't remember any shoes selling out on the first day or people lining up a whole day before it comes out.
We can never be sure of the future but I can see the Kobes and LBJs being retroed in 10-20 years and chances are it won't sell out because a lot of people are already stacking up hoping it would have the same effect as the earlier Air Jordans but if there are too many out there, the demand won't be too high. However, if they are retroed and sold in limited number, I am sure they will sell out. Nostalgia-wsie, think about it this way. You are in high school and you play the whole year in Kobe Vs and they are one of the best shoes you've ever worn on the court. 10-20 yrs later the Kobe Vs are retroed and you get to relive that high school moment.
There is a big chance the shoes we are seeing today, especially since th LCJs and Kobes are actually selling well, will be retroed. Look at the foamposites, those did not initially sell out the first time around (not just because it retailed for $200 irrc) but now it is selling out quick and that is barely 10-15 yrs old? Garnetts were recently retroed too and that didn't sell out initially either but the retroes sold well, especially the limited ones (of course).
I agree, people still buy off look and design first, or at least that is what they see first but you know that if there are no zoom air or the shoes felt like chucks, then no one would buy for the court maybe even for casual wear so I won't say people do not buy for performance at all. Also, last I check fusions were hated, maybe it's just on NT. Go to the JB forum and when a new fusion pics release and posted it is followed by 10 pages ofand.
Signature kicks sell better than the average sneaker, because of the ties to the player. That's why Nike will sign dudes to multi million dollar deals. And what Garnett's have sold well? I just got some Flightposite II's for $99. Air Garnett's(Max 3) are straight outlet material.
And in the real world people wear Fusions. Go in any mall or hood across america and you will see more Fusions on peoples feet than you see any retro or 2009 or 2010. NT doesn't represent the real world or reality. The average person doesn't buy 50 or 100 pair of kicks. The average person doesn't camp out for kicks. The average person doesn't care if a retro is comparable to the OG.
Originally Posted by Wings2315
Im sorry but that performance over style argument is BS. There is no way anyone can tell me that the playoff LeBron 7's are made based on style first. Those things are hideous to me and I really don't care if they perform well or not, they look WACK!lol On another note the Nike Shox BB4(VC's) are in my top 5 of all-time Nike's and I would go ham on those if they were generally released.
Originally Posted by ssgefiestoakagerger
I can't speak for top-tier performance, but I remember 90's bball shoes were built like a tank
Originally Posted by ElijahDukes
just curious what year was zoom air invented/developed? IMO it is the best technology