Asian Culture Discussion Thread

[Kinfolk]

ok then you are missing the point I’m trying to make as well. People will keep their heads down for racist comments but will speak up when their safety and livelihood is put at risk. That’s why THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE is different and more serious than someone mocking Asian features or accents. You can walk away and continue living life as usual from someone who doesn’t like your eyes, but you could be killed or lose everything you worked for in a home invasion. If you don’t want to accept that, too bad, I’ll stop trying to explain it to you and will continue discussing with people who can relate.

You're entitled to feel this way and I'm still not telling you to not feel any particular way. That was never the message and never will be from me.

The fact remains that ascribing levels of racism will keep you bamboozled in the battle against racism.

It sucks that we are at the point where two people are here, both arguing against racism, but one is like well this is more racist, so I can't agree with your point about something else that is straight up racist as well.

Let that marinate.

Saying A is more racist than B, so thats why we let B slide is harmful.

You're stuck on that part and its unfortunate.

 

[moe200069]

Seriously? Just one page ago you asked why people aren’t making a huge deal about Eminem. You received an answer (which is accurate regarding the Asian community whether you like it or not) and then you said “it’s not going to fly” as if you’re the gatekeeper for how Asians feel.


Anyway, speaking of the YG SONG, hope all the Asian people in this thread remind their parents to keep valuables in the bank and to invest in home security systems. My parents live in a majority Vietnamese and Indian neighborhood, and these homes get targeted for break ins the most due to the common knowledge of these cultures of keeping gold jewelry and artifacts. Some robbers apprehended in the neighborhood admitted monitoring households or looking for houses where shoes were kept outside.

my mom keeps the vast majority of her family heirloom jewelry in the bank for this very reason, and she only takes them out when she wants to wear them for a formal event. My dad used to have a bunch of his work computers out in the open at home, but now they’re stored in hidden compartments throughout the house when they’re not in use. They’ve also installed multiple cameras outside due to attempted break ins to our home and the cars we parked in the driveway. It’s sad that this is what it’s come to, but better to be extra careful these days.

my family learned the hard way back in the early 2000s. the burglars were hella thorough: they cut up all the beds thinking my parents were stashing money in the mattresses, removed random pieces of wood flooring, emptied out every shelf/cabinet possible, broke mirrors, cut up pictures.. these cats literally left no stone unturned. house was a complete wreck.

thank goodness no one was home. even though the perps made off with cash and jewelry, my parents weren't even mad. they were just like this is what poverty forces people to do.

but still, **** YG.

 

[wuchi01]

I accidentally overwrote my post while trying to add to the thread and readded what I previously wrote.

I am NOT disagreeing with your overall sentiment. I do NOT agree with letting derogatory comments fly. I am telling you WHY Asians feel the way they do, so to dismiss it as “it’s not going to fly” is offensive when you don’t know the reason for why they don’t make a big deal about certain things.

do you need an example? My girlfriend hates hearing racist comments regarding Asians at work (people have asked her about Asians getting with Americans for green cards), but her main concern is keeping her job/visa and not getting deported back to Indonesia. Despite my feelings on this matter, her mentality is “I can’t afford to cause a stir” because she’s afraid to go back to a country where she’s a minority who gets treated even worse (she’s of Japanese descent but can pass for Chinese, who are discriminated against heavily and have gone through brutal periods of murder and rape in Indonesia). As long as she keeps her job until we get married , she feels like she can’t afford to make a big deal about every racist comment made about Asians.

telling people like her “oh you’re wrong for thinking that way” when you haven’t been in their shoes is not fair. You don’t think I wish she’d make a big deal about these offensive comments? Of course I do, but when she says things like “I’d rather die than go back permanently to Indonesia” I have to let her feel the way that she feels. Her main priority is to be safe and to establish permanent residency here.

And I’m telling you, MANY Asians feel the way she does in terms of putting up with the BS that comes with living in the US. Her gay brother lives in garbage *** Iowa, and even with the racist comments he faces there, he’d rather live there than go back to a country where it’s illegal to be homosexual and gay people get caned in public.

Sidenote regarding Indonesia (and pretty much most of SE Asia).

There was a powerful documentary that came out many years ago that took a hard look at Indonesia’s disturbing violent history against their ethnic Chinese minority. Worth the watch. Rarely hear or learn about these real history moments that affect Today.
Been fortunate past nearly two decades to have known as Family Friend and Associate, an ethnic Sulawesi native and his buddies from Jakarta. Honest interesting conversations of their history, religion, culture.






https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...killing-film-fails-to-stir-indonesia.amp.html

 

[KHUFU]

The problem is white supremacy. Until people grasp that such a problem exists? You will continue to point your weapons at the wrong target. Saying that white supremacy is the issue, does not make you a bigot nor racist. You cannot benefit from being a racist, if you are not white. White supremacy created the divide, and the conditions that are the result of the divide. Now that many of you are finally recognizing the result of that divide, in fighting then taking the focus off of the real enemy, it behooves you to remain focused upon who actually created all of this strife, and then why.

 

[JPS]

The enemy is clear.

however. It’s still F the trolls (not you) who stay. In here trying to tell Asians how they should react to what’s happening

 

[ill legal operation]

 

[QU!K]

Rihanna Attends 'Stop Asian Hate' March In NYC

Rihanna is the latest celebrity to rally behind the Asian American community, participating in a 'Stop Asian Hate' march in NYC this past weekend.

www.complex.com

 

[wuchi01]

my family learned the hard way back in the early 2000s. the burglars were hella thorough: they cut up all the beds thinking my parents were stashing money in the mattresses, removed random pieces of wood flooring, emptied out every shelf/cabinet possible, broke mirrors, cut up pictures.. these cats literally left no stone unturned. house was a complete wreck.

thank goodness no one was home. even though the perps made off with cash and jewelry, my parents weren't even mad. they were just like this is what poverty forces people to do.

but still, **** YG.

Same.
My Parents were business owners and unfortunately have also experienced armed robbery invasion and Home burglary (thank goodness no one there at time). Granted my Family less forgiving for all the precautions than yours.

The most important thing for people to realize is that 3 of us (you, me, sfc415 ) all different backgrounds who have disagreed and butted heads before, actually knew and understood what the others were saying and meant. Your previous post was on point and heartfelt. Even more direct to point than Jeremy Lin post. Need non Asians to stop talking for us and down to us. Listen and Learn.

 

[wuchi01]

“Have you seen me post one single thing about Asian hate? Nope.”

-There you go. Such profound insight and support. Sure the Victims deserved the Hate Crime Attacks.
Jackhole.

 

[sfc415]

my family learned the hard way back in the early 2000s. the burglars were hella thorough: they cut up all the beds thinking my parents were stashing money in the mattresses, removed random pieces of wood flooring, emptied out every shelf/cabinet possible, broke mirrors, cut up pictures.. these cats literally left no stone unturned. house was a complete wreck.

thank goodness no one was home. even though the perps made off with cash and jewelry, my parents weren't even mad. they were just like this is what poverty forces people to do.

but still, **** YG.

our home had several attempted break-ins, but our ADT alarm scared them off each time. Our cars were a different story though. I think we’ve had our windows smashed at least once a year from 2017-2020 ; that’s why we keep absolutely nothing in our cars when we park there anymore. We have a garage but have to park on the driveway often because when we stay together, there ends up being 4 cars, and 2 of them have to be parked on the driveway.

Ever since my parents and most of the neighbors installed Ring and multiple cameras, we’ve had a lot less people coming by to scope out who’s at home. Until a few years ago, there used to be a ton of fake salesmen coming by to check whether anyone as at home/what ethnicity lived in the household. It absolutely was not a coincidence that only the Vietnamese and Indian households got broken into (not even exaggerating when I say that every Asian house in the neighborhood was hit at least once) while the few white homes were left untouched.

i get kinda annoyed at some of the asian homes for painting giant “rob me” signs in front of their homes though. A lot of my parents neighbors really love the tacky Ancient Greece/Rome aesthetic and put giant unnecessary and ugly statues everywhere in front of their homes. It basically screams “I have so much extra money to burn on nonsense”

It’s crazy typing all this stuff out cause the description of the precautions makes it sound like my family lives in some dangerous @&$ neighborhood, when it fact it’s supposed to be a safe and quiet affluent suburb. Everyone just knows where exactly to go for easy targets

 

[ill legal operation]

“Have you seen me post one single thing about Asian hate? Nope.”

-There you go. Such profound insight and support. Sure the Victims deserved the Hate Crime Attacks.
Jackhole.

Bruh watchu mean?

 

[Kinfolk]

Ben is extremely problematic but he did not tell any lies there.

 

[wuchi01]

Bruh watchu mean?

Saw his post come through in feed this morning so know actually existed and real. Looks like he deleted. Have an issue with his choice of words.
All these recent Asian Hate Crime attacks and he felt no need to react, condemn or express sympathy. All these attacks, even by non Black people. All these attacks of mainly Elders and Females.
His words were tone deaf and inappropriate to the Victims.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/03/us/anti-asian-attacks.html

 

[frink85]

Saw his post come through in feed this morning so know actually existed and real. Looks like he deleted. Have an issue with his choice of words.
All these recent Asian Hate Crime attacks and he felt no need to react, condemn or express sympathy. All these attacks, even by non Black people. All these attacks of mainly Elders and Females.
His words were tone deaf and inappropriate to the Victims.

sounded like some whatabout-ism and close to “that’s what happens when you racist too they deserved it” like it’s ok to hurt old folks for any reason.

dude been a clown.

if he didn’t want to ruffle feathers with anyone and hurt his business then fine keep your mouth shut no need to come out and say dumb stuff.

 

[Kinfolk]

sounded like some whatabout-ism and close to “that’s what happens when you racist too they deserved it” like it’s ok to hurt old folks for any reason.

dude been a clown.

Anything that isn't solely about this echo chamber's talking points is categorized as a "whatabout" in this thread.

Allow for some nuance guys.

The reason it sounded like a "whataboutism" to you is because you aren't trying to hear anything other than your perspective. Everything else you hear you perceive to be against your points which isn't necessarily true.

Ham-fisted and selective all or nothing attitudes will get you nowhere if justice, equity and equality is really what you're looking for.

I've had the unfortunate occasion to meet Ben as some of our business interests unfortunately overlapped and I personally don't like him at all. But what he said was tantamount to saying that looking at all of this from one angle and one angle only is a problem and he's right.

Him being a jerk doesn't preclude him from being right sometimes.

 

[ill legal operation]

Saw his post come through in feed this morning so know actually existed and real. Looks like he deleted. Have an issue with his choice of words.
All these recent Asian Hate Crime attacks and he felt no need to react, condemn or express sympathy. All these attacks, even by non Black people. All these attacks of mainly Elders and Females.
His words were tone deaf and inappropriate to the Victims.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/03/us/anti-asian-attacks.html

Ah word, I see ur point...

...that’s like when **** was poppin off last summer and the gay Black dude Billy Porter put out a video in the middle of social unrest about “Black homophobia” - I’m lookin like “man if you don’t shut the entire **** up right now.”

 

[sfc415]

sounded like some whatabout-ism and close to “that’s what happens when you racist too they deserved it” like it’s ok to hurt old folks for any reason.

dude been a clown.

if he didn’t want to ruffle feathers with anyone and hurt his business then fine keep your mouth shut no need to come out and say dumb stuff.

he could’ve easily denounced the attacks on Asians while also denouncing racism and only blaming black people for the increase of the attacks. It takes almost no effort to say “These attacks are evil. Instead of wasting energy by lashing out with racism against black people, let’s work on a solution that addresses the real problem of how Asians are perceived and treated in the US”

Instead he continues to lie about being hood to keep up a persona that no one really believes. Whenever someone tries to say “I’m against __, BUT” with an essay that focuses more on the “BUT” aspect, you know what his or her priority is.

 

[frink85]

I've had the unfortunate occasion to meet Ben as some of our business interests unfortunately overlapped and I personally don't like him at all. But what he said was tantamount to saying that looking at all of this from one angle and one angle only is a problem and he's right.

Him being a jerk doesn't preclude him from being right sometimes.

fair enough. but if there's another angle in which its ok to ignore or endorse harassing and violence against the elderly, I'm good with my tunnel vision. just rereading what he said he went into "im not saying its ok to harm old folks" and should've stopped there instead he went right into "...but," and blamed them for being old racists.

 

[Kinfolk]

fair enough. but if there's another angle in which its ok to ignore or endorse harassing and violence against the elderly, I'm good with my tunnel vision. just rereading what he said he went into "im not saying its ok to harm old folks" and should've stopped there instead he went right into "...but," and blamed them for being old racists.

Saying "but" isn't an indicator that he's dismissing the words that came before it.

The other angle also isn't automatically the polar opposite of whatever it is anyone is talking about.

Again, Ben is not somebody I suggest anyone get behind and support, however, he as someone who has championed the Asian community in Los Angeles for a long time now, makes a very important point and dismissing it based on whatever grievances anyone has with him on unrelated issues is silly for the purposes of this thread.

Nobody in this thread has ok'd or signed off on harrassing and violence against the elderly.

 

[frink85]

Saying "but" isn't an indicator that he's dismissing the words that came before it.

The other angle also isn't automatically the polar opposite of whatever it is anyone is talking about.

Again, Ben is not somebody I suggest anyone get behind and support, however, he as someone who has championed the Asian community in Los Angeles for a long time now, makes a very important point and dismissing it based on whatever grievances anyone has with him on unrelated issues is silly for the purposes of this thread.

Nobody in this thread has ok'd or signed off on harrassing and violence against the elderly.

not dismissing, but rationalizing. just when I read it on face value without any context an hour ago my initial thought was that this dude was excusing the violence on the basis of their racism. not condoning it but rationalizing it.

I ran into Ben once a long long time ago at a Methamphibian release at UNDFTD LA ( ) he came off as some lame hype man. I somewhat know he's heavy around K-Town but I'll have to look up more on his efforts. but that statement (and apparently deleting it soon after) is a real bad look.

nah no one in this thread is doing anything like that, but apparently Ben Baller lost his NT roots

 

[Kinfolk]

not dismissing, but rationalizing. just when I read it on face value without any context an hour ago my initial thought was that this dude was excusing the violence on the basis of their racism. not condoning it but rationalizing it.

I ran into Ben once a long long time ago at a Methamphibian release at UNDFTD LA ( ) he came off as some lame hype man. I somewhat know he's heavy around K-Town but I'll have to look up more on his efforts. but that statement (and apparently deleting it soon after) is a real bad look.

nah no one in this thread is doing anything like that, but apparently Ben Baller lost his NT roots

Most of the things he says are a bad look.

I will not make any effort to refute claims of him being extremely lame.

I tried to look up his NT posts a long time ago out of curiosity but nothing came up. He should come back to NT for everyone's entertainment.

 

[216c2a]

Almost 50 and still a clown.

When he finally decides to open his mouth, it's to call out the elders in the Asian community. Why can't he speak out against the anti-blackness from elders in the Asian community (including his own) AND speak out against the Anti-Asian sentiment and attacks?

 

[moe200069]

he's entitled to his sentiments but that **** is myopic as ****. Anti-Black discrimination in Asian communities warrants the uptick in violence Asians have experienced? nah, this is why no one's turning to a professional jeweler to tell us about community dynamics.

"been around Black people my entire lifetime" is the same as "but i have black friends!"

 

[wuchi01]

Funny that you say this because it takes no effort to not be anti-black while supporting the stop to violence against asians but people in this thread outright refuse on the grounds that doing so would somehow take away from the message.

I'm talking about you wuchi01

I DON'T GIVE A ****. THROW ALL THAT ****ING TRASH AWAY. **** EMINEM AND **** YG.

**** YG FOR TRYING TO NORMALIZE BURGLARIZING CHINESE PEOPLE.

WE ARE ****ING TIRED OF BEING ASSAULTED, ROBBED, BURGLARIZED, MURDERED. IF YOU DON'T GET THAT SHUT THE **** UP. I DON'T GIVE A **** WHO SAID IT. WHITE, BLACK, ASIAN, LATINX, WHOEVER, SHUT ALL THE WAY THE **** UP AND STOP QUESTIONING PEOPLE'S ANGER.

 

[Kinfolk]

This is cute. You can’t articulate your points so you use GIFS and memes as cover to hide as usual.

Still waiting on someone to quote a post in this thread where I’ve told someone how to feel. Me disagreeing or providing an opinion that stands in opposition to yours does not constitute me telling anyone how to feel.

keep lying wuchi01 it’s a real honest way to go about things.