Anyone see this? OSAMA BIN LADEN "AP sources: Crash kills members of SEAL Team 6"

[harajukuboy]

Sad to hear this type of stuff. My condolence goes out to the family

 

[quincy powell]

Originally Posted by PJ and Bompton

there's no such thing as SEAL Team 6 though...

 

[ar guy]

Originally Posted by Quincy Powell

Originally Posted by PJ and Bompton

there's no such thing as SEAL Team 6 though...

Read the thread before you post.

 

[revthejedi]

As a deployed soldier, this hurts.

 

[degenerate423]

Originally Posted by buggz05

My only thoughts: We lost good soldiers over what many would call a pointless war.

Just a minor fix.

Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae

I'm pretty sure Osama Bin Laden would release a ton of videos of himself running around being alive if he had the chance to completely humiliate the United States government. No?

I guess with the internet, he could probably release the videos, but didn't the Gov't release his tapes (correct me if I'm wrong)?  I'm not saying I don't believe he's dead, but I just think they could hide it if they wanted to...

 

[trunks206]

Originally Posted by AR Guy

Got this from a another message board I frequent that has a lot of active and prior .mil.

DEVGRU has 4 squadrons (Gold, Blue, Red and Silver). Each squadron is divided into 3 "Troops." This tragedy wiped out one whole Troop from Gold squadron.

The guys that conducted the OBL raid were from Red squadron.

RIP brothers


This is the only thing that needs to be said.

 

[8h2i9frs]

didn't even kno this thang went 6 pages, let me go get a sandwich and come back to read this thang.

 

[tkthafm]

Originally Posted by Degenerate423

Originally Posted by buggz05

My only thoughts: We lost good soldiers over what many would call a pointless war.

Just a minor fix.

Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae

I'm pretty sure Osama Bin Laden would release a ton of videos of himself running around being alive if he had the chance to completely humiliate the United States government. No?

I guess with the internet, he could probably release the videos, but didn't the Gov't release his tapes (correct me if I'm wrong)?  I'm not saying I don't believe he's dead, but I just think they could hide it if they wanted to...

Nah, they just "confirmed authenticity".
OBL put out tapes by sending them to journalists (often al-Jazeera) through couriers. Nowadays al-Qaeda doesn't even need a middle man and directly uploads videos/statements themselves. Did you know al-Qaeda even puts out a monthly magazine in English; complete with a Q&A/ask us section ? 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine) [the magazine also confirmed OBL's death]

So if they wanted to say something (like OBL still being alive/denying 9/11 responsibility etc)... it's not like they would have any problem getting the message out. 

 

[an dee 51o]

Yeah, we definitely took out 30 of our best soldiers on purpose.

 

[caerus]

Originally Posted by AR Guy

Got this from a another message board I frequent that has a lot of active and prior .mil.

DEVGRU has 4 squadrons (Gold, Blue, Red and Silver). Each squadron is divided into 3 "Troops." This tragedy wiped out one whole Troop from Gold squadron.

The guys that conducted the OBL raid were from Red squadron.

RIP brothers



confused...

 

[buggz05]

Personally I believe OBL is in a cell somewhere. We'd be tragically stupid not to take advantage of the resources that a live OBL would bring us.

 

[ar guy]

Originally Posted by Caerus

Originally Posted by AR Guy

Got this from a another message board I frequent that has a lot of active and prior .mil.

DEVGRU has 4 squadrons (Gold, Blue, Red and Silver). Each squadron is divided into 3 "Troops." This tragedy wiped out one whole Troop from Gold squadron.

The guys that conducted the OBL raid were from Red squadron.

RIP brothers

confused...


Why?

 

[danikerhino]

RIP to those soldiers. Never heard of a SF team getting shot down like this before.

 

[ar guy]

Originally Posted by DaNiKeRhiNo

RIP to those soldiers. Never heard of a SF team getting shot down like this before.

Operation Red Wing; 16 SEALs and SOAR killed when their MH-47 Chinook was shot down in an attempt to rescue an element of SEAL team 10.

 

[anabolic dunk]

Good book for those interested in Navy SEALs, Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10.. Book was written by Marcus Luttrell, the only survivor from Operation Redwing

 

[elderwatsondiggs]

Originally Posted by AR Guy

Originally Posted by DaNiKeRhiNo

RIP to those soldiers. Never heard of a SF team getting shot down like this before.

Operation Red Wing; 16 SEALs and SOAR killed when their MH-47 Chinook was shot down in an attempt to rescue an element of SEAL team 10.

 

[spidermachine916]

RIP to those service men

 

[sircharles2ol3]

RIP

America is wild SUS!

 

[Senoj]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

Originally Posted by ReJimen

How we know Osama was behind 911? Cereal question.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052301262.html

I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers, Allah have mercy upon them, with those raids.

Now that's what I call a cool article bro.

 

[undermedicated]

With all the conspiracies people create i doubt  the u.s has to make anything up.

The gov. wouldn't kill them purposely, they've gone through years of rough training and several courses.

RIP to the troops.

 

[mrbrown]

Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae

I'm pretty sure Osama Bin Laden would release a ton of videos of himself running around being alive if he had the chance to completely humiliate the United States government. No?

BUT
What if Osama is part of it..... a top head

there is no better way to go into oblivion than to have people think you dont exist anymore..... perfect

 

[ar guy]

Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Originally Posted by AR Guy

Originally Posted by DaNiKeRhiNo

RIP to those soldiers. Never heard of a SF team getting shot down like this before.

Operation Red Wing; 16 SEALs and SOAR killed when their MH-47 Chinook was shot down in an attempt to rescue an element of SEAL team 10.

AR Guy, I ask that you analyze these two incidents if you have the time. I'll even give you some info about Op Redwing. There is a lot to be learned from these incidents. Our enemy are not dummies, we must take a deep look into our TTP's when dealing with them. They know how we do stuff and they plan accordingly.

Operation Redwing

June 28, 2005

On June 28, 2005, deep behind enemy lines east of Asadabad in the Hindu Kush of Afghanistan, a very committed four-man Navy SEAL team was conducting a reconnaissance mission at the unforgiving altitude of approximately 10,000 feet. The SEALs, Lt. Michael Murphy, Gunner’s Mate 2nd Class (SEAL) Danny Dietz, Sonar Technician 2nd Class (SEAL) Matthew Axelson and Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class (SEAL) Marcus Luttrell had a vital task. The four SEALs were scouting Ahmad Shah – a terrorist in his mid-30s who grew up in the adjacent mountains just to the south.

Under the assumed name Muhammad Ismail, Shah led a guerrilla group known to locals as the "Mountain Tigers" that had aligned with the Taliban and other militant groups close to the Pakistani border. The SEAL mission was compromised when the team was spotted by local nationals, who presumably reported its presence and location to the Taliban.

A fierce firefight erupted between the four SEALs and a much larger enemy force of more than 50 anti-coalition militia. The enemy had the SEALs outnumbered. They also had terrain advantage. They launched a well-organized, three-sided attack on the SEALs. The firefight continued relentlessly as the overwhelming militia forced the team deeper into a ravine.

Trying to reach safety, the four men, now each wounded, began bounding down the mountain's steep sides, making leaps of 20 to 30 feet. Approximately 45 minutes into the fight, pinned down by overwhelming forces, Dietz, the communications petty officer, sought open air to place a distress call back to the base. But before he could, he was shot in the hand, the blast shattering his thumb.

Despite the intensity of the firefight and suffering grave gunshot wounds himself, Murphy is credited with risking his own life to save the lives of his teammates. Murphy, intent on making contact with headquarters, but realizing this would be impossible in the extreme terrain where they were fighting, unhesitatingly and with complete disregard for his own life moved into the open, where he could gain a better position to transmit a call to get help for his men.

Moving away from the protective mountain rocks, he knowingly exposed himself to increased enemy gunfire. This deliberate and heroic act deprived him of cover and made him a target for the enemy. While continuing to be fired upon, Murphy made contact with the SOF Quick Reaction Force at Bagram Air Base and requested assistance. He calmly provided his unit’s location and the size of the enemy force while requesting immediate support for his team. At one point he was shot in the back causing him to drop the transmitter. Murphy picked it back up, completed the call and continued firing at the enemy who was closing in. Severely wounded, Lt. Murphy returned to his cover position with his men and continued the battle.

An MH-47 Chinook helicopter, with eight additional SEALs and eight Army Night Stalkers aboard, was sent is as part of an extraction mission to pull out the four embattled SEALs. The MH-47 was escorted by heavily-armored, Army attack helicopters. Entering a hot combat zone, attack helicopters are used initially to neutralize the enemy and make it safer for the lightly-armored, personnel-transport helicopter to insert.

The heavy weight of the attack helicopters slowed the formation’s advance prompting the MH-47 to outrun their armored escort. They knew the tremendous risk going into an active enemy area in daylight, without their attack support, and without the cover of night. Risk would, of course, be minimized if they put the helicopter down in a safe zone. But knowing that their warrior brothers were shot, surrounded and severely wounded, the rescue team opted to directly enter the oncoming battle in hopes of landing on brutally hazardous terrain.

As the Chinook raced to the battle, a rocket-propelled grenade struck the helicopter, killing all 16 men aboard.

On the ground and nearly out of ammunition, the four SEALs, Murphy, Luttrell, Dietz and Axelson, continued the fight. By the end of the two-hour gunfight that careened through the hills and over cliffs, Murphy, Axelson and Dietz had been killed. An estimated 35 Taliban were also dead.

The fourth SEAL, Luttrell, was blasted over a ridge by a rocket propelled grenade and was knocked unconscious. Regaining consciousness some time later, Luttrell managed to escape – badly injured – and slowly crawl away down the side of a cliff. Dehydrated, with a bullet wound to one leg, shrapnel embedded in both legs, three vertebrae cracked; the situation for Luttrell was grim. Rescue helicopters were sent in, but he was too weak and injured to make contact. Traveling seven miles on foot he evaded the enemy for nearly a day. Gratefully, local nationals came to his aid, carrying him to a nearby village where they kept him for three days. The Taliban came to the village several times demanding that Luttrell be turned over to them. The villagers refused. One of the villagers made his way to a Marine outpost with a note from Luttrell, and U.S. forces launched a massive operation that rescued him from enemy territory on July 2.

By his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit and inspirational devotion to his men in the face of certain death, Lt. Murphy was able to relay the position of his unit, an act that ultimately led to the rescue of Luttrell and the recovery of the remains of the three who were killed in the battle.

This was the worst single-day U.S. Forces death toll since Operation Enduring Freedom began nearly six years ago. It was the single largest loss of life for Naval Special Warfare since World War II.

The Naval Special Warfare (NSW) community will forever remember June 28, 2005 and the heroic efforts and sacrifices of our special operators. We hold with reverence the ultimate sacrifice that they made while engaged in that fierce fire fight on the front lines of the global war on terrorism (GWOT).

Operation Red Wings isan example on what not to do on a recon. If they had made contingencies on just 3 very probable scenarios his team and everyone on the helo might still be here today. The MH-47 that got shot down out ran its escorts in order to try and get to the pinned down team. If Marcus Luttrell was right and there were around 200 Taliban in the area the MH-47 pilots made a grave error in not waiting for the two AH-64Ds. The Chinook went down when a RPG was fired into the open rear ramp. It was very likely a lucky shot or a bad LZ or a combination of the two. The fact the SEALs packed a less powerful radio when the Marines in the AO told them that the radio would not be powerful enough is mind blowing. 

The Taliban in the area knew as soon as the engagement began that help would be on the way and planned for this. It only takes on RPG to take out a helicopter hell in theory it could only take one bullet. Things like this are impossible to plan perfectly for we just have to plan accordingly.

This most recent incident sounds eerily similar. At lots of altitudes in Afghanistan the only bird that can make it that high is the Chinook and even though they are the fastest helicopter we have, it's big and unmaneuverable.

 

[demps]

Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Operation Redwing

June 28, 2005

On June 28, 2005, deep behind enemy lines east of Asadabad in the Hindu Kush of Afghanistan, a very committed four-man Navy SEAL team was conducting a reconnaissance mission at the unforgiving altitude of approximately 10,000 feet. The SEALs, Lt. Michael Murphy, Gunner’s Mate 2nd Class (SEAL) Danny Dietz, Sonar Technician 2nd Class (SEAL) Matthew Axelson and Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class (SEAL) Marcus Luttrell had a vital task. The four SEALs were scouting Ahmad Shah – a terrorist in his mid-30s who grew up in the adjacent mountains just to the south.

Under the assumed name Muhammad Ismail, Shah led a guerrilla group known to locals as the "Mountain Tigers" that had aligned with the Taliban and other militant groups close to the Pakistani border. The SEAL mission was compromised when the team was spotted by local nationals, who presumably reported its presence and location to the Taliban.

A fierce firefight erupted between the four SEALs and a much larger enemy force of more than 50 anti-coalition militia. The enemy had the SEALs outnumbered. They also had terrain advantage. They launched a well-organized, three-sided attack on the SEALs. The firefight continued relentlessly as the overwhelming militia forced the team deeper into a ravine.

Trying to reach safety, the four men, now each wounded, began bounding down the mountain's steep sides, making leaps of 20 to 30 feet. Approximately 45 minutes into the fight, pinned down by overwhelming forces, Dietz, the communications petty officer, sought open air to place a distress call back to the base. But before he could, he was shot in the hand, the blast shattering his thumb.

Despite the intensity of the firefight and suffering grave gunshot wounds himself, Murphy is credited with risking his own life to save the lives of his teammates. Murphy, intent on making contact with headquarters, but realizing this would be impossible in the extreme terrain where they were fighting, unhesitatingly and with complete disregard for his own life moved into the open, where he could gain a better position to transmit a call to get help for his men.

Moving away from the protective mountain rocks, he knowingly exposed himself to increased enemy gunfire. This deliberate and heroic act deprived him of cover and made him a target for the enemy. While continuing to be fired upon, Murphy made contact with the SOF Quick Reaction Force at Bagram Air Base and requested assistance. He calmly provided his unit’s location and the size of the enemy force while requesting immediate support for his team. At one point he was shot in the back causing him to drop the transmitter. Murphy picked it back up, completed the call and continued firing at the enemy who was closing in. Severely wounded, Lt. Murphy returned to his cover position with his men and continued the battle.

An MH-47 Chinook helicopter, with eight additional SEALs and eight Army Night Stalkers aboard, was sent is as part of an extraction mission to pull out the four embattled SEALs. The MH-47 was escorted by heavily-armored, Army attack helicopters. Entering a hot combat zone, attack helicopters are used initially to neutralize the enemy and make it safer for the lightly-armored, personnel-transport helicopter to insert.

The heavy weight of the attack helicopters slowed the formation’s advance prompting the MH-47 to outrun their armored escort. They knew the tremendous risk going into an active enemy area in daylight, without their attack support, and without the cover of night. Risk would, of course, be minimized if they put the helicopter down in a safe zone. But knowing that their warrior brothers were shot, surrounded and severely wounded, the rescue team opted to directly enter the oncoming battle in hopes of landing on brutally hazardous terrain.

As the Chinook raced to the battle, a rocket-propelled grenade struck the helicopter, killing all 16 men aboard.

On the ground and nearly out of ammunition, the four SEALs, Murphy, Luttrell, Dietz and Axelson, continued the fight. By the end of the two-hour gunfight that careened through the hills and over cliffs, Murphy, Axelson and Dietz had been killed. An estimated 35 Taliban were also dead.

The fourth SEAL, Luttrell, was blasted over a ridge by a rocket propelled grenade and was knocked unconscious. Regaining consciousness some time later, Luttrell managed to escape – badly injured – and slowly crawl away down the side of a cliff. Dehydrated, with a bullet wound to one leg, shrapnel embedded in both legs, three vertebrae cracked; the situation for Luttrell was grim. Rescue helicopters were sent in, but he was too weak and injured to make contact. Traveling seven miles on foot he evaded the enemy for nearly a day. Gratefully, local nationals came to his aid, carrying him to a nearby village where they kept him for three days. The Taliban came to the village several times demanding that Luttrell be turned over to them. The villagers refused. One of the villagers made his way to a Marine outpost with a note from Luttrell, and U.S. forces launched a massive operation that rescued him from enemy territory on July 2.

By his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit and inspirational devotion to his men in the face of certain death, Lt. Murphy was able to relay the position of his unit, an act that ultimately led to the rescue of Luttrell and the recovery of the remains of the three who were killed in the battle.

This was the worst single-day U.S. Forces death toll since Operation Enduring Freedom began nearly six years ago. It was the single largest loss of life for Naval Special Warfare since World War II.

The Naval Special Warfare (NSW) community will forever remember June 28, 2005 and the heroic efforts and sacrifices of our special operators. We hold with reverence the ultimate sacrifice that they made while engaged in that fierce fire fight on the front lines of the global war on terrorism (GWOT).

is there a site that has a bunch of articles like this one?

 

[smoke ya later]

Originally Posted by AR Guy

Originally Posted by KingSuperbIV

Originally Posted by ElCatfisho

it says they were from the unit that killed bin Laden, and it did not say that they were the ones that did the shootings. They could have been part of the raid, but no one will know for sure other than the higher ranks that deal with such classified information.
The actual number of SEALs in DEVGRU is classified information, no one knows how many there are.

HUH you just dont get it do you. nevermind

When they said the unit that killed OBL they mean DEVGRU. DEVGRU has nearly 300 operators why and since the team that took down OBL did it approximatly 3 months ago and trained for this specific mission for months they are more than likely stateside at Dam Neck training getting ready to deploy again in a few months. So the chances it was the same unit is very small.

this.

a lot of NT has no clue, especially the ones that were never in the military and believe everything the news tells them.

 

[smoke ya later]

and also why are they still using a vietnam-era helicopter? It's a piece of garbage