I didnt say you had to change your opinion and I understand the fact that no one knew if they were suede or nubuck at first but now that thats established and youve stated numerous times that you dont like this shoe you wont buy it and you hate ashyness ... whats the point of reiterating that time and time again? are you trying to persuade other people to join your team no ashy larry or something lol. I just dont get why theres a need to say the same thing over n over, JB isnt going to change it and its $$$ back in your pocket so just move on to the next