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midsole change .? not the same
if this happen , hopefully no material change either .
if this happen , hopefully no material change either .
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Originally Posted by memphissfinest
OF COURSE JORDAN BRAND IS CASHING IN ON RETROS WHILE WE ARE STILL INTERESTED BEFORE WE MOVE ON. LOOK AT WHAT'S RELEASING NEXT YEAR. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT 2011-2012 WILL BE THE BEST YEARS FOR RETROS. NOT QUALITY WISE BUT AS FAR AS THE DIVERSITY OF RETROS AND "GRAILS" THAT ARE RELEASING.
WHITE CEMENT 3
PLAYOFF 13
METALLIC 5
BLACK CEMENT 3
BANNED 1
LAST SHOT 14
CONCORD 11
CHICAGO 10
WHITE CEMENT 4
PLAYOFF 12
OBSIDIAN 12
OLYMPIC 6
COLUMBIA 11
4 OF THE ABOVE SHOES ARE IN 99% OF COLLECTORS GRAILS. I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHICH 4 THOSE ARE. TELL ME JORDAN BRAND ISN'T TRYING TO CASH IN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN RIGHT NOW....THIS IS UNHEARD OF FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.
REMEMBER THOSE DAYS OF COPPING 2 PAIRS, FLIPPING 1 PAIR AND YOUR PAIR IS BASICALLY FREE? GONE.
ONLY THING RE-SELLING FOR ANYTHING WORTHWHILE ARE LIMITED RELEASES. DB'S, BIN23. A LOT OF PEOPLE STARTING TO MOVE ON. ME INCLUDED. I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT ELCERRITO.
Jada, because if they have one year membership with almost 4K post dosen't mean that they are rookies. I'm pretty sure that they were collecting WAY BEFORE they were on NT members or they had different user names in the past or been long-time lurkers. The only reason that I'm saying this is because I have been a member for almost a year and a half and I have just under 340 post and I was buying Jordan's since 2000, when I was I college and nike shoes since 1994 since I was in Middle School. I been lurking since 2002. NO ROOKIES HERE! The bottom line is that post count and membership status is pretty much irrelevant.Originally Posted by Jada2001Retro
Originally Posted by WITNESSkb24
Originally Posted by ohdannyboy
God. I was kinda hoping you disappeared off this site for good.QFT
Just wait for the "will be getting these off swoosh" post, it's almost automatic
2 cornballs on here for a year with almost 4k posts a piece, sit down rookies.Y'all are familiar with Oreo VI's, not Olympic VI's.
I agree, also people can get their post counts up in the general or music sections for example though, so you can't just assume that users with a lot of posts know what they're taking about or are experienced with shoes either......I usually go by join date for credibility unless I know from observation that a newer user knows their stuff or is credible.Originally Posted by scoop99
Jada, because if they have one year membership with almost 4K post dosen't mean that they are rookies. I'm pretty sure that they were collecting WAY BEFORE they were on NT members or they had different user names in the past or been long-time lurkers. The only reason that I'm saying this is because I have been a member for almost a year and a half and I have just under 340 post and I was buying Jordan's since 2000, when I was I college and nike shoes since 1994 since I was in Middle School. I been lurking since 2002. NO ROOKIES HERE! The bottom line is that post count and membership status is pretty much irrelevant.Originally Posted by Jada2001Retro
Originally Posted by WITNESSkb24
QFT
Just wait for the "will be getting these off swoosh" post, it's almost automatic
2 cornballs on here for a year with almost 4k posts a piece, sit down rookies.Y'all are familiar with Oreo VI's, not Olympic VI's.
Originally Posted by go rilla
^so much for the person that doesnt care about this site
So much for knowing that i was talking about "swoosh" it was in the swoosh post bro thats what i meantOriginally Posted by Beespitta
I dont care about this site anymore i can now get in the employee store
Originally Posted by elcerrito91
I agree, also people can get their post counts up in the general or music sections for example though, so you can't just assume that users with a lot of posts know what they're taking about or are experienced with shoes either......I usually go by join date for credibility unless I know from observation that a newer user knows their stuff or is credible.Originally Posted by scoop99
Jada, because if they have one year membership with almost 4K post dosen't mean that they are rookies. I'm pretty sure that they were collecting WAY BEFORE they were on NT members or they had different user names in the past or been long-time lurkers. The only reason that I'm saying this is because I have been a member for almost a year and a half and I have just under 340 post and I was buying Jordan's since 2000, when I was I college and nike shoes since 1994 since I was in Middle School. I been lurking since 2002. NO ROOKIES HERE! The bottom line is that post count and membership status is pretty much irrelevant.Originally Posted by Jada2001Retro
2 cornballs on here for a year with almost 4k posts a piece, sit down rookies.Y'all are familiar with Oreo VI's, not Olympic VI's.
THANKS MEMPHISSFINEST
Originally Posted by BronLe
Why do I get the feeling that JB Quality pre 2005 just simply CANNOT be as good as yall are making it out to be
Dudes would rather walk around in piss yellow soles and midsoles damn near dragging on the ground next to the upper before they just cave in and buy some 2011s, 2012s, 2010s, what have you
What are yall doing to these shoes for them to mess up on yall like this?
Originally Posted by sthebest
Originally Posted by BronLe
Why do I get the feeling that JB Quality pre 2005 just simply CANNOT be as good as yall are making it out to be
Dudes would rather walk around in piss yellow soles and midsoles damn near dragging on the ground next to the upper before they just cave in and buy some 2011s, 2012s, 2010s, what have you
What are yall doing to these shoes for them to mess up on yall like this?
The quality pre 2005 was good, although it wasn't as perfect as many would lead you to believe. Messy paint jobs go back as far as the early 90s (my original Black/ True Red had a somewhat shoddy paint job). 2000 retro VIs had a paint paint crack proble, as well as the VIIIs from 2003. 2000 XIs came pre-yellowed and the Columbias and Concords lacked the blue tint from the OGs. And 1995 XIs had erratic patent leather cuts.
I hear where you're coming from. But the Black/Red and Black/Blue 1s had jumpman on the insoles, not Nike Air (I had both). The last retro to have Nike Air on the insole was Black/Cement III if Im not mistaken. From my experience, the quality started changing for the worse in 2002. The midsole on the IXs had a tendency to crack and chip, the Raptor VIIs looked DRAMATICALLY different from their OG counterpart (different mold altogether and a one tone upper instead of a two toned one), and there started being fewer original colorways coming out (I only remember Black/White IXs, Olive IXs, and Raptor VIIs as the original colorways that came out that year). And in 2003, we finally got White/Cement IIIs with good quality leather and better padding, but the midsole chipped quickly. Also, on the VIIIs, the leather was subpar at best and those too had BAD midsole chipping problems.Originally Posted by jumpman cbt2
Originally Posted by sthebest
Originally Posted by BronLe
Why do I get the feeling that JB Quality pre 2005 just simply CANNOT be as good as yall are making it out to be
Dudes would rather walk around in piss yellow soles and midsoles damn near dragging on the ground next to the upper before they just cave in and buy some 2011s, 2012s, 2010s, what have you
What are yall doing to these shoes for them to mess up on yall like this?
The quality pre 2005 was good, although it wasn't as perfect as many would lead you to believe. Messy paint jobs go back as far as the early 90s (my original Black/ True Red had a somewhat shoddy paint job). 2000 retro VIs had a paint paint crack proble, as well as the VIIIs from 2003. 2000 XIs came pre-yellowed and the Columbias and Concords lacked the blue tint from the OGs. And 1995 XIs had erratic patent leather cuts.
For me the last really good year was 2001. After thatJb started not to divide the look between retro+And og style retros.The leather used were also ok, but the 2001 XI black/redsWere already less good in quality compared to the Previous XI retros (the smooth leather at the heel isDifferent and the jumpman jordan lettering is lessAccurate than before).The aj 1 black/reds and black/royals were also thelast jordan retros with the nike logo in the insoles.So from my point the jordan retros from 2002 to 2008 are the worst in terms of quality.Best retro years were 1994, 1999 and early 2000.
Originally Posted by sthebest
I hear where you're coming from. But the Black/Red and Black/Blue 1s had jumpman on the insoles, not Nike Air (I had both). The last retro to have Nike Air on the insole was Black/Cement III if Im not mistaken. From my experience, the quality started changing for the worse in 2002. The midsole on the IXs had a tendency to crack and chip, the Raptor VIIs looked DRAMATICALLY different from their OG counterpart (different mold altogether and a one tone upper instead of a two toned one), and there started being fewer original colorways coming out (I only remember Black/White IXs, Olive IXs, and Raptor VIIs as the original colorways that came out that year). And in 2003, we finally got White/Cement IIIs with good quality leather and better padding, but the midsole chipped quickly. Also, on the VIIIs, the leather was subpar at best and those too had BAD midsole chipping problems.Originally Posted by jumpman cbt2
Originally Posted by sthebest
The quality pre 2005 was good, although it wasn't as perfect as many would lead you to believe. Messy paint jobs go back as far as the early 90s (my original Black/ True Red had a somewhat shoddy paint job). 2000 retro VIs had a paint paint crack proble, as well as the VIIIs from 2003. 2000 XIs came pre-yellowed and the Columbias and Concords lacked the blue tint from the OGs. And 1995 XIs had erratic patent leather cuts.
For me the last really good year was 2001. After thatJb started not to divide the look between retro+And og style retros.The leather used were also ok, but the 2001 XI black/redsWere already less good in quality compared to the Previous XI retros (the smooth leather at the heel isDifferent and the jumpman jordan lettering is lessAccurate than before).The aj 1 black/reds and black/royals were also thelast jordan retros with the nike logo in the insoles.So from my point the jordan retros from 2002 to 2008 are the worst in terms of quality.Best retro years were 1994, 1999 and early 2000.
I started getting heavier into the brand around summer 2004 after the Olympic VIIs dropped but I've had most of the most desired retros and can say quality was good back then but could have been better.