48÷2(9+3) = ???

[il prescelto]

Originally Posted by do work son

Originally Posted by il prescelto


Okay, for all the people who think the answer is 2, readthis and let me know what you think.
We start off with 48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12). We add the 9 and 3 first becausethey're in the parenthesis. I think everyone agrees on this step.
Now we have
48/2(12). Let us assume that 48/2(12) = 48/(2(12)) (which is what the peoplewho think the answer is 2 are assuming)
Since multiplication and division are inverse processes (in other words,XY=X(1/Y), we can do the following:
48/(2(12)) = 48(1/(2(12))) = 48 (1/2) (1/12)
Now let us turn those (1/2) and (1/12) back into division sign
48 (1/2) (1/12) = 48/2/12. And 48/2/12 surely does not equal 48/2(12). Therefore,our initial assumption is wrong.

Here’s just the math

48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12). Assume 48/2(12) = 48/(2(12)). Then, 48/2(12)= 48/(2(12)) = 48(1/(2(12))) = 48 (1/2) (1/2) = 48/2/12 =/= 48/2(12). Therefore,our initial assumption is wrong, and 48/2(12) should not be interpreted as48/(2(12)).
If anyone thinks this is wrong, let me know. Andby the way, some guy said people with college education say the answer is 2. MyHarvard, Caltech, MIT, Yale, Stanford, and Cal friends all say 288; I’m the sonof two Cal grads, and I’ve been a student at Cal myself….since we’re talkingabout credentials 

Someone prove me wrong...

correct on the notion that division is just a multiplication of the inverse or reciprocal. therefore it would be 48/1 multiplied by 1/2 multiplied by 1/12 right? when you multiply those across you get 48/24 which is 2. correct?

Yes, 48 (1/2) (1/12) is equal to 2, since it's the same as 48 (1/24) = 48/24 = 2. But that should make sense, since I assumed what all the people who get 2 assumed; that's precisely why I also get 2. But that's not the key step. The key step is the step right after, where I can turn 4 (1/2) (1/12) into 48/2/12. And then it's very easy to see that 48/2/12 is not equal to 48/2(12). They are two different expressions, and have two different answers.

Kingcrux31 and everyone else who says 2, go through my proof and let me know which mathematical laws/properties/rules I violated.

 

[kingcrux31]

Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector

Originally Posted by K2theAblaM

Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector

jesus christ, people STAY falling for the "distributive property" [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]like its a RULE, its not, its a PROPERTY of PEMDAS[/color] that only applies itself when there is an addition sign, subtraction sign, or nothing in front of the outside multiplier

in this case theres a division sign of the outside multiplier

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]distributiv PROPERTY is not a RULE, it is a PROPERTY[/color]

PEMD>>>>AS

Lol, where did you read that? You make that up in your head?

Can you prove it, buddy?

48 + 2(9+3)... distribution applies
48 - 2(9+3)... distribution applies

48 ÷ 2(9+3) ... distribution does not applies, LEFT to RIGHT comes first

god, people demand sources like they dont understand how ORDER OF OPERATIONS WORKS

PEMD>>>>>>>AS

i have no sources because i actually understand how pemdas (order-of-operations) works

jesus christ, its like im the only person on here who can actually comprehend why neither division or multiplication comes first in PEMDAS

distributive property is a property of pemdas, NOT A RULE, not some external rule that overrides pemdas

You have the worst explanation. You should take yourself out from this conversation along with the others who think it's as simple as solving it from left to right. 

 

[il prescelto]

Originally Posted by do work son

Originally Posted by il prescelto


Okay, for all the people who think the answer is 2, readthis and let me know what you think.
We start off with 48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12). We add the 9 and 3 first becausethey're in the parenthesis. I think everyone agrees on this step.
Now we have
48/2(12). Let us assume that 48/2(12) = 48/(2(12)) (which is what the peoplewho think the answer is 2 are assuming)
Since multiplication and division are inverse processes (in other words,XY=X(1/Y), we can do the following:
48/(2(12)) = 48(1/(2(12))) = 48 (1/2) (1/12)
Now let us turn those (1/2) and (1/12) back into division sign
48 (1/2) (1/12) = 48/2/12. And 48/2/12 surely does not equal 48/2(12). Therefore,our initial assumption is wrong.

Here’s just the math

48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12). Assume 48/2(12) = 48/(2(12)). Then, 48/2(12)= 48/(2(12)) = 48(1/(2(12))) = 48 (1/2) (1/2) = 48/2/12 =/= 48/2(12). Therefore,our initial assumption is wrong, and 48/2(12) should not be interpreted as48/(2(12)).
If anyone thinks this is wrong, let me know. Andby the way, some guy said people with college education say the answer is 2. MyHarvard, Caltech, MIT, Yale, Stanford, and Cal friends all say 288; I’m the sonof two Cal grads, and I’ve been a student at Cal myself….since we’re talkingabout credentials 

Someone prove me wrong...

correct on the notion that division is just a multiplication of the inverse or reciprocal. therefore it would be 48/1 multiplied by 1/2 multiplied by 1/12 right? when you multiply those across you get 48/24 which is 2. correct?

Yes, 48 (1/2) (1/12) is equal to 2, since it's the same as 48 (1/24) = 48/24 = 2. But that should make sense, since I assumed what all the people who get 2 assumed; that's precisely why I also get 2. But that's not the key step. The key step is the step right after, where I can turn 4 (1/2) (1/12) into 48/2/12. And then it's very easy to see that 48/2/12 is not equal to 48/2(12). They are two different expressions, and have two different answers.

Kingcrux31 and everyone else who says 2, go through my proof and let me know which mathematical laws/properties/rules I violated.

 

[kingcrux31]

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by CertifiedSW

You know you're wrong.
The 2 is NOT connected to the 9+3.

If it was connected, it would look like this: 48/(2(9+3))

Answer this question for me, is that the problem?????

NO, it is NOT. If the problem did look like that then yes, the answer is clearly 2. However it is not.

48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3)

Go from left to right, you get 288. 

Wrong because...
http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-

http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-and because problems will NEVER be written as 48÷(2(9+3))

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so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

 

[kingcrux31]

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by CertifiedSW

You know you're wrong.
The 2 is NOT connected to the 9+3.

If it was connected, it would look like this: 48/(2(9+3))

Answer this question for me, is that the problem?????

NO, it is NOT. If the problem did look like that then yes, the answer is clearly 2. However it is not.

48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3)

Go from left to right, you get 288. 

Wrong because...
http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-

http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-and because problems will NEVER be written as 48÷(2(9+3))

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so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

 

[iron mike]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Wrong because...
http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-

http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-and because problems will NEVER be written as 48÷(2(9+3))

[font=arial, sans-serif]
[/font]

so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

 

[iron mike]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Wrong because...
http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-

http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-and because problems will NEVER be written as 48÷(2(9+3))

[font=arial, sans-serif]
[/font]

so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

 

[jchambers]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Wrong because...
http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-

http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-and because problems will NEVER be written as 48÷(2(9+3))

[font=arial, sans-serif]
[/font]

so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

Why? Explain yourself with a mathematical rule that backs up your statement.

 

[jchambers]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Wrong because...
http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-

http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-and because problems will NEVER be written as 48÷(2(9+3))

[font=arial, sans-serif]
[/font]

so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

Why? Explain yourself with a mathematical rule that backs up your statement.

 

[il prescelto]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Wrong because...
http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-

http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-and because problems will NEVER be written as 48÷(2(9+3))

[font=arial, sans-serif]
[/font]

so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

I'm sorry, but X x Y = X (Y) = X x (Y).
I agree that the last one is a bit redundant, as it is already clear that X is multiplied by Y thanks to the use of a prenthesis, but all three statements are the same; just a matter of notation.
So 48/2(9+3) does in fact = 48/2 x (9+3).

 

[thehealthinspector]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

You have the worst explanation. You should take yourself out from this conversation along with the others who think it's as simple as solving it from left to right. 

explain to me why neither multiplication vs division comes first in PEMDAS?  and why they come before addition vs subtraction?

seriously, im dealing with people who dont understand why math is the way it is

distributive property COINCIDES with PEMDAS, THEY ARE NOT CONFLICTING

 

[il prescelto]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Wrong because...
http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-

http://niketalk.yuku.com/sreply/10741706/48-2-9-3-and because problems will NEVER be written as 48÷(2(9+3))

[font=arial, sans-serif]
[/font]

so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

I'm sorry, but X x Y = X (Y) = X x (Y).
I agree that the last one is a bit redundant, as it is already clear that X is multiplied by Y thanks to the use of a prenthesis, but all three statements are the same; just a matter of notation.
So 48/2(9+3) does in fact = 48/2 x (9+3).

 

[thehealthinspector]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

You have the worst explanation. You should take yourself out from this conversation along with the others who think it's as simple as solving it from left to right. 

explain to me why neither multiplication vs division comes first in PEMDAS?  and why they come before addition vs subtraction?

seriously, im dealing with people who dont understand why math is the way it is

distributive property COINCIDES with PEMDAS, THEY ARE NOT CONFLICTING

 

[kingcrux31]

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

 

[kingcrux31]

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

so you just magically infer that it should be read that way? 

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

 

[il prescelto]

Originally Posted by il prescelto


Okay, for all the people who think the answer is 2, readthis and let me know what you think.
We start off with 48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12). We add the 9 and 3 first becausethey're in the parenthesis. I think everyone agrees on this step.
Now we have
48/2(12). Let us assume that 48/2(12) = 48/(2(12)) (which is what the peoplewho think the answer is 2 are assuming)
Since multiplication and division are inverse processes (in other words,XY=X(1/Y), we can do the following:
48/(2(12)) = 48(1/(2(12))) = 48 (1/2) (1/12)
Now let us turn those (1/2) and (1/12) back into division sign
48 (1/2) (1/12) = 48/2/12. And 48/2/12 surely does not equal 48/2(12). Therefore,our initial assumption is wrong.

Here’s just the math

48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12). Assume 48/2(12) = 48/(2(12)). Then, 48/2(12)= 48/(2(12)) = 48(1/(2(12))) = 48 (1/2) (1/2) = 48/2/12 =/= 48/2(12). Therefore,our initial assumption is wrong, and 48/2(12) should not be interpreted as48/(2(12)).
If anyone thinks this is wrong, let me know. Andby the way, some guy said people with college education say the answer is 2. MyHarvard, Caltech, MIT, Yale, Stanford, and Cal friends all say 288; I’m the sonof two Cal grads, and I’ve been a student at Cal myself….since we’re talkingabout credentials 

Someone prove me wrong...

Yes, I just quoted myself. But I actually want to see someone who says the answer is 2 disprove my work.

 

[iron mike]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

you are wrong, but by your logic you are reading wrong as right. 

 

[iron mike]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

you are wrong, but by your logic you are reading wrong as right. 

 

[il prescelto]

Originally Posted by il prescelto


Okay, for all the people who think the answer is 2, readthis and let me know what you think.
We start off with 48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12). We add the 9 and 3 first becausethey're in the parenthesis. I think everyone agrees on this step.
Now we have
48/2(12). Let us assume that 48/2(12) = 48/(2(12)) (which is what the peoplewho think the answer is 2 are assuming)
Since multiplication and division are inverse processes (in other words,XY=X(1/Y), we can do the following:
48/(2(12)) = 48(1/(2(12))) = 48 (1/2) (1/12)
Now let us turn those (1/2) and (1/12) back into division sign
48 (1/2) (1/12) = 48/2/12. And 48/2/12 surely does not equal 48/2(12). Therefore,our initial assumption is wrong.

Here’s just the math

48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12). Assume 48/2(12) = 48/(2(12)). Then, 48/2(12)= 48/(2(12)) = 48(1/(2(12))) = 48 (1/2) (1/2) = 48/2/12 =/= 48/2(12). Therefore,our initial assumption is wrong, and 48/2(12) should not be interpreted as48/(2(12)).
If anyone thinks this is wrong, let me know. Andby the way, some guy said people with college education say the answer is 2. MyHarvard, Caltech, MIT, Yale, Stanford, and Cal friends all say 288; I’m the sonof two Cal grads, and I’ve been a student at Cal myself….since we’re talkingabout credentials 

Someone prove me wrong...

Yes, I just quoted myself. But I actually want to see someone who says the answer is 2 disprove my work.

 

[jchambers]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

And the answer is still 288.

 

[jchambers]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Magically infer? If you think 48/2(9+3) = 48/2 * (9+3) then you shouldn't even be posting here. It obvious that you don't even understand simple Math.
48/2(9+3) =/= 48/2 * (9+3) 

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

And the answer is still 288.

 

[kingcrux31]

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

you are wrong, but by your logic you are reading wrong as right. 

It's easy to say that I'm wrong but at least prove it. You can't because all you did was Google the answer, use a calculator or solve it from left to right. 
Or maybe you're just trolling.

 

[kingcrux31]

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

i'm an atheist, but i might pray to bill nye to bless you with a brain tonight. 

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

you are wrong, but by your logic you are reading wrong as right. 

It's easy to say that I'm wrong but at least prove it. You can't because all you did was Google the answer, use a calculator or solve it from left to right. 
Or maybe you're just trolling.

 

[jchambers]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

you are wrong, but by your logic you are reading wrong as right. 

It's easy to say that I'm wrong but at least prove it. You can't because all you did was Google the answer, use a calculator or solve it from left to right. 
Or maybe you're just trolling.

I don't even see how you are coming to your conclusion. I am not looking for a flame war, so no personal attacks please. What rules of operations are you following that lead you to believe that the 2(9+3) should be solved before the 48/2 and cannot be separated? Do you agree that the order of operations specifies that you go from left to right when there are both multiplication and division involved, or are you disputing that?

 

[jchambers]

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Originally Posted by kingcrux31

Like you didn't see my earlier explanation. 

you are wrong, but by your logic you are reading wrong as right. 

It's easy to say that I'm wrong but at least prove it. You can't because all you did was Google the answer, use a calculator or solve it from left to right. 
Or maybe you're just trolling.

I don't even see how you are coming to your conclusion. I am not looking for a flame war, so no personal attacks please. What rules of operations are you following that lead you to believe that the 2(9+3) should be solved before the 48/2 and cannot be separated? Do you agree that the order of operations specifies that you go from left to right when there are both multiplication and division involved, or are you disputing that?