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Yeah QBs don’t matter. That’s why Tennessee was the 1 seed and lost I guess.
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Kick an extra point and you don't have to force throws late in the game.
Don't use your RB off the street 2 months when your other RB has more yards on 16 less touches maybe.
But hey. Burrow and his 0 TD, 1 INT 9 sack performance was really crucial to the Bengals winning that day......
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I feel like we're discussing two different things 
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1 INT >>> 3 INT
I'd say that's crucial
I'd say that's crucial
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Gets any Rooney rule violations out of the way before they announce McCown this week I guess...
Interesting, coming from you.......
I remember Russ throwing 4 INT's vs Prime Aaron Rodgers and he went to the Super Bowl, so.......
And Tom Brady threw 3 INT's last year, and beat Rodgers in that game too, so......
Mahomes threw the same amount as Jimmy G in the Super Bowl, but Mahomes won that game, so......
I'm getting confused, is it crucial in all games, or just hand selected ones? Can I get a determination?
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I think you are conflating us saying QBs play definitely matters with us saying QB play is the ONLY thing that matters. I don't think its ground breaking information to say that the player that touches the ball 50% of snaps of a game is the most important position on the field. I'm not sure why that equates to us "jacking QBs off". If QBs didn't matter then I would venture to guess your basement wouldnt be full of worthless Tua cards
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THAT IS A HALF JOKE, CP!
the better QB in all of those instances allowed the greater margin of error...simple
Oh really? Or because Brady gets those wins and that makes it work for you?
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I don't know how any of this disputes the main point here is having a pretty good QB puts you in better positions to win more times than not, especially over the course of multiple seasons. No it doesn't mean every other play is completely irrelevant. No it doesn't account for every random f'ery of luck that could happen in a game. No it doesn't mean because one's QBR is better that it automatically means that team will win the Super Bowl.
We get it. There's a million variables that happen in a game that can make a QB's play irrelevant for that game.
I dont understand how what
junglejim
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say goes against your point. It's almost like both points can co-exist but I digress. 🏳And yes Tanne, maybe not throwing 3 picks and maybe 1 or 2 changes the team's outcome
It started from here
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And he must have edited, because I didn't see his last point about Brady at the bottom. I'm going to guess he doesn't hang out in the QB thread.
Jim, to your Brady point, a 6th round QB at that, that has more horse shoes shoved up his *** than any QB I have ever witnessed, consider his wins and losses. The fact he threw for 500+ yards and 3 TD's with no interceptions and lost. Losing to Eli Manning because of a helmet catch. Winning over Russ because of the one yard line. 28-3, throwing the game ending INT, only it was dropped.
Consider ELITE Peyton Manning, I mean robot elite Peyton winning one SB in 15+ years, but then as a dead old man throwing ducks all over the yard unable to even throw a spiral, wins again for Denver.
Similar to ELITE John Elway never winning thru his career, until he turns 38 and Terrell Davis shows up and he wins back to back.
Or Baby Brady, Baby Ben, Baby Russ all winning as kids, handing off and playing defense, then as they become much better QB's (this is where Brady goes a diff path than them) they stop winning. (now this is where QB Salary comes into play, which........there's Brady, the guy that took paycut after paycut for years to keep his team in the thick of things while other QB's got paid.)
It has FAR more to do with a multiple of variables than just complete/incomplete, drop vs catch etc. FAR more.
But when it's over, when people sum everything up, they just neatly file it all under "QB won, on to next season, we all have to draft a QB etc etc"
I don't buy into that, at all. Never have. Never will. Rodgers having one. Brees having one. Favre having one. Peyton getting his 2nd when he was the worst at any point in his career. The one he did get came in his worst postseason, and he beat Rex Grossman.
Like I said, I think diff than you guys. You guys want to give credit to the QB's year after year and say it's the most important position and all that, that's you. Not me. Never will be.
Again, Matt Stafford, 12 years in the NFL. Traded to a new roster, and just like that, Super Bowl. Literal same dude. Kurt Warner Rams, elite. Kurt Warner Giants, trash. Kurt Warner Cardinals, elite. Literal same dude. Different rosters around them.
It's not "just the QB". There is no "hey, just look at the Top 10ish guys and you can see a pattern denominator enumerator divide by my aunts balls sit and spin" nonsense.
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Ok, so what position is more important in your opinion then?
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Brady can’t announce his retirement until mid Feb or he loses like 14 mil of his signing bonus because he had it deferred.
Brady retiring cause he’s about to lose a lot of talent and it’s gonna be hard as hell to even get a wild card position.
To all the moronic Giants fans. I told y’all this team would win 4-5 games. Daniel Jones sucks. He can’t win games, can’t score TDs and is always hurt. 10 Tds and 10 TOs in like 11 games. Man should be released yesterday and Daboll is a moron if he thinks he’s gonna win with this QB. Yesterday you saw three franchise QBs and one wasn’t. Jimmy is better than Daniel Jones. Cut Danny ***** and sign Trubisky for one year and draft a guy.
I ain’t talk to y’all in a while, I missed some of y’all
Brady retiring cause he’s about to lose a lot of talent and it’s gonna be hard as hell to even get a wild card position.
To all the moronic Giants fans. I told y’all this team would win 4-5 games. Daniel Jones sucks. He can’t win games, can’t score TDs and is always hurt. 10 Tds and 10 TOs in like 11 games. Man should be released yesterday and Daboll is a moron if he thinks he’s gonna win with this QB. Yesterday you saw three franchise QBs and one wasn’t. Jimmy is better than Daniel Jones. Cut Danny ***** and sign Trubisky for one year and draft a guy.
I ain’t talk to y’all in a while, I missed some of y’all
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Listening to Daboll now and I’m scared. He sounds like a moron. One of the first questions was is Daniel Jones healthy? He paused and froze and then said yeah. Asked if he would be able to play, pauses again, Yeah.
Keeps saying Daniel Jones is big and wants to win. ****, if that’s all it takes. WHAT QB DOESNT WANT TO WIN?!?!?
He can’t handle the pressure already. They’re killing him about Daniel Jones. He’s clueless.
Keeps saying Daniel Jones is big and wants to win. ****, if that’s all it takes. WHAT QB DOESNT WANT TO WIN?!?!?
He can’t handle the pressure already. They’re killing him about Daniel Jones. He’s clueless.
I don't think I think of it like that. I think of it as unit, group.
MLB isn't very sexy or important, but tell that to the 2000 Ravens or 85 Bears.
The last Bengals SB team, Anthony Munoz was by far their best player.
Lynch vs DB's in Seattle.
Deebo is your best player right now, but WR on every team isn't, right?
Iono. Honestly, I guess I never thought of if not QB, then who? Cuz every team/season is diff.
Was Phil Simms more important than LT?
Montana gets all the credit/game, but wasn't Jerry Rice the better overall player?
TD/Elway.
Is Kupp not better than Stafford? I mean, didn't Stafford lead the NFL in Pick 6's? Kupp not only elite receiver, they use him as a run game blocker like he's some damn Fullback.
How do they quantify his blocking on top of his receiving duties? Or his drawing coverages to open up OBJ? Or Hill opening up coverage for Kelce and vice versa.
Mahomes is more important, but Fisher got hurt and entire offense imploded.......(last year)
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just search dude's thought on the whole mahomes/alex thing...
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And I’m so tired of hearing about the dropped INT. Y’all saw Ramsey had a dropped INT in FG range. Kupp had a huge drop that would have been a 30-40 yard play, maybe would have even scored a TD.
Jimmy played a good game until the last two drives. He looked terrible and scared. Couldn’t handle it.
But it’s like the OT rules. Everyone went crazy last week. Those same people mad today about yesterday? Nope
Jimmy played a good game until the last two drives. He looked terrible and scared. Couldn’t handle it.
But it’s like the OT rules. Everyone went crazy last week. Those same people mad today about yesterday? Nope
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I don't think I think of it like that. I think of it as unit, group.
MLB isn't very sexy or important, but tell that to the 2000 Ravens or 85 Bears.
The last Bengals SB team, Anthony Munoz was by far their best player.
Lynch vs DB's in Seattle.
Deebo is your best player right now, but WR on every team isn't, right?
Iono. Honestly, I guess I never thought of if not QB, then who? Cuz every team/season is diff.
Was Phil Simms more important than LT?
Montana gets all the credit/game, but wasn't Jerry Rice the better overall player?
TD/Elway.
Is Kupp not better than Stafford? I mean, didn't Stafford lead the NFL in Pick 6's? Kupp not only elite receiver, they use him as a run game blocker like he's some damn Fullback.
Or Hill opening up coverage for Kelce and vice versa.
Mahomes is more important, but Fisher got hurt and entire offense imploded.......(last year)
Obviously some of this stuff is really hard to prove unless you just take a player off a team and replace them with a better or worse player in the same position and keep all things else constant, but I found this to be a pretty interesting guestimate of how many wins good QBs can add to a team in a given season. The QB position consistently scores as the highest and the best at their position can add around 4-5 wins over a comparable replacement player. That doesn't sound like much but when you add a good QB to a 3-4 win team that is probably enough to get you in the playoffs but not enough to win you a superbowl which is the point we are getting at. QBs more than any other position have that impact and allow for greater variance to hit. You consistently use players like Manning, Brees, and Rodgers as an example for why the position doesn't matter, but you are indirectly making my point here. Yes those players only won one ring, but those players were also in a position to win almost every single year. That's that point. A good QB can make a mediocre team better, and a bad QB can make a good team worse and that impact is far greater with the QB position than any other position and even with the best of them, it only amounts to about 5 wins over an average player. Those 5 wins can be the difference between making and not making the playoffs though.
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