- 150,490
- 201,231
- Joined
- Mar 30, 2007
But what scenario does the ball crossing not end the possession?
Happens all the time on kickoffs
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: this_feature_currently_requires_accessing_site_using_safari
But what scenario does the ball crossing not end the possession?
Happens all the time on kickoffs
Touchback begins a new possession tho
Pass attempts into the end zone then
Hell you can fumble into the end zone and retain position, as long as it isn't recovered by the other team OR goes out of bounds once crossing the goal line
Ryan is a better passer but he wouldn't succeed in Charlotte like Cam has with the lack of WR talent/oline he had for most of his career.Ha!
Matt Ryan > Cam
I feel like if you get rid of the touchbacks you gotta get rid of safeties by that same token
An incomplete pass isn’t an argument since there’s no possession at that point. I mean a live ball. What’s the difference between a kickoff into the endzone and a fumble? Both have the team losing possession into the endzone. Also a punt
Ryan is a better passer but he wouldn't succeed in Charlotte like Cam has with the lack of WR talent/oline he had for most of his career.
Im just glad we are finally starting a dialogue. Like I said last night, I don't know of a good solution other than to spot at the goaline, I just think the outcome is dumb as hell. The defense basically gets bailed out and the ball for being ****ty.
Ryan is a better passer but he wouldn't succeed in Charlotte like Cam has with the lack of WR talent/oline he had for most of his career.
Cam doesn’t get WR talent because he’s a **** passer
I think the other side is a better argument tbh, even tho I’m fine with the way it is currently.
If there’s a live ball in the defense’s endzone, it can be recovered by the offense for points, otherwise the ball goes to the defense. If there’s a live ball in the offense’s endzone, it can be recovered by the defense for points AND possession, but the offense can recover and advance the ball out of the endzone. Still seems fair to me, especially in this offensive climate, but I can SLIGHTLY see an argument for this imbalance.
On a kickoff, punt and/or fumble possession can change without crossing the goal line.. the possibility is also there for teams to retain position on all 3 of those scenarios even if the ball crosses the goal line
And a team has to possess the ball to throw it.. you miss an attempt into the end zone or just throw it out the back of the end zone, you're just going onto the next down
Also gotta factor in the special teams of all of this.. because it doesn't just go from a team scoring to the kickoff (as we saw last night on the 2 point attempt)
If there’s a live ball in the defense’s endzone, it can be recovered by the offense for points, otherwise the ball goes to the defense.
The difference is the recovery of the football. I have no issue with a team fumbling on the goaline AND the other team actually gains possession. In that case it absolutely should be a touchback. But if I fumble out of bounds at any time during the game I didnt lose possession of the football. Thats my complaint about it.
Spot that **** on the 20 and make the offensive team whatever down and goal on the 20.
I was never on the fire Rivera train but after this skid, losing close games late to these bad teams, and his lack of accountability, I’m the mf conductor. After a 6-2 start you would think worst case a team would go 10-6. This has to be a historic collapse. And look at what this clown showed up to his presser wearing this past week (after talking about how we still had a 5% chance to make the playoffs in his presser the day before)
This isn’t something you wear after your team loses 5 straight games. I would have no issue if we started off bad then got off to a winning streak and had a chance to then make the playoffs but come on bruh...
One can only hope. I’m gonna be pissed if tepper gives this man another year and we play well next year per usual on odd years and we extend him or something.
Not always.. need to look up the rule or someone can go check.. but the fumbling team can't automatically advance the ball
It goes back to the spot of the fumble
I get what you’re saying, but my argument is a live ball always changes possession once it crosses the goal line
The first paragraph if iffy, since either team can gain or lose possession on any play of the game, except PATs, which basically fall out of the scope of the rest of the game, which addresses your third paragraph also.
As for the second paragraph, that’s intellectually dishonest. A pass attempt isn’t a live ball until/unless it’s completed to either team
I mean the whole thing is theoretically because you got a ton hypothetical situations
The only time crossing the goal line is a guarantee end of position thou, since we're not factoring in the point after attempts, is if the offensive or defensive player crosses the opponent's with possession
And even then you gotta factor in the catch rule and all of that with the ball crossing in some scenarios
14-2 and homefield > 40+TDs wodayfreddy fig Mahomeboy got that MVP on lock
If a live ball crosses the goal line and isn’t possessed before the play is dead, it ends the possession on both ends. It doesn’t have to be possessed.
I’m not following where the catch rule comes in, since it’s either a possession in the endzone (score or interception/change possession) or the same as any other incomplete pass
And they can't blow a play dead if there is a live ball without possession.. sure they can, but has to be something (like ruling a pass incomplete or saying the players forward progress was stopped)