TAMPA -- Derek Jeter didn't want to call the event that happened last Wednesday a press conference, and tried encouraging teammates who had gathered in the room to leave and go about their business. Smartly, no one took him up on his offer, understanding the risk of winding up on the back page of a New York tabloid for actually walking out of the room as Jeter discussed his impending retirement.
Because the players seem to get it, just as many front-office executives get it: Jeter is an all-time great player.
He has been the most publicized and exposed player in the sport during his career, as the shortstop of New York's most storied franchise -- and, in turn, he has been placed under greater scrutiny, to the degree that any Tweet or column about Jeter is inevitably batted back at you, attached to a word: overrated.
A chorus has been in refrain for a decade now, and was heard again in the days after he Facebooked his plans. Jeter's defense is beyond terrible, they say; he doesn't hit enough home runs, they say; his postseason numbers are merely a product of the money monster he plays for and the era he plays in, with multiple layers of October games.
But is Jeter really overrated?
Let's start out with the simple numbers: Of all the players who participated in MLB games, ever, only eight have more hits than Jeter's 3,316. If Jeter has a season of 104 or more hits, only five players in history will have more hits: Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial and Tris Speaker.
So ... that's pretty good.
You can try to diminish that by throwing the word compiler at him, but here's the thing: If Jeter gets his 104-plus hits, this will mean that nobody will have compiled like him since Rose. That's more hits than any player over the last 30 years or so.
And Jeter has gotten almost all of those hits as a shortstop, which means that for almost two full decades, the Yankees have had one of the best offensive players at a position where premium production is most valued. There are about 29 other teams that would sign up for that.
Jeter has scored 1,876 runs, and if he has a season of 75 runs, he will finish his career ranked eighth all-time in the category. The only players with more than 1,950? Rickey Henderson, Ty Cobb, Barry Bonds, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Pete Rose and Willie Mays. Those are seven players who generated just about all of their offensive production as outfielders, plus Rose, who played 1,327 games in the outfield and another 939 at first base.
So ... that's pretty good.
It's hard to argue that a career shortstop scoring more runs than everybody except that group of immortals is overrated.
But let's continue and get this out of the way: He has never been among the game's best defensive shortstops, despite his five Gold Gloves. Justin Havens of ESPN Stats and Info sent along this number for 1995-2013, the span of Jeter's career:
Defensive WAR
1. Jack Wilson (20.7)
2. Rafael Furcal (14.3)
3. Jimmy Rollins (12.9)
4. Mike Bordick (12.
5. J.J. Hardy (12.5)
6. Troy Tulowitzki (11.9)
7. Royce Clayton (11.6)
8. Alex Gonzalez (10.4)
9. Rey Ordonez (10.1)
Derek Jeter -- dead last at minus-9.2
But when you weigh how good he was offensively ... well, the scales are tipped pretty heavily in his direction in the 19 years he has played:
WAR among shortstops with at least 3,000 plate appearances in that time
1. Derek Jeter 71.5
2. Jimmy Rollins 42.0
3. Rafael Furcal 39.1
4. Jose Reyes 33.2
5. Troy Tulowitzki 32.3
Jeter has almost 1,000 more hits in this timeframe than any other shortstop (Edgar Renteria, who began his career at just about the same time as Jeter, finished with 2,327 hits). Jeter has more than 600 more runs than any other shortstop in his era (Rollins is second, with 1,247). Alex Rodriguez has the most home runs for shortstops in this time, with 344; Jeter is second, with 256, and Jeter has 57 more homers than the rest of the field (Rollins, 199).
About the postseason: I wrote here recently that I never believed that Jeter raised his game in the playoffs and World Series, a skill widely attached to him. Rather, what was remarkable about him is that he wasn't swallowed by the anxiety that overwhelms a lot of players, and he wasn't diminished by the postseason pressure. He has basically been the same player in the postseason that he was during the regular season -- an OPS of .828 in the regular season, .838 in the playoffs and World Series.
The League Championship Series began in 1969, and the wild card was introduced in 1995. No matter what timeline you wish to apply, Jeter's totals in the postseason far surpass any other player of his time, including other Yankees. He has 200 hits in the World Series and postseason, 72 more than the player in second place, Bernie Williams. He has scored 111 runs in the World Series and playoffs, 28 more than Williams. He has 302 total bases in the postseason.
It's true that he's been one part of great teams. But at some point, doesn't he get just a little credit for the fact that the Yankees missed the playoffs only twice during his 19 seasons? Day after day after day, year after year after year, the Yankees have fielded one of the best overall shortstops in baseball. In the name of Jesus Montero, doesn't he get some credit for taking care of himself, for playing through injuries, for being in the lineup and producing at a high level?
If you are still in the camp bleating "overrated," well, forget the numbers or any argument I make. Executives and scouts who work for other teams have revered Jeter, seeing him through the prism of the big picture: The consistent production, the reliability, the predictability, the respectability, in how he plays and carries himself.
I e-mailed rival evaluators -- some GMs, assistant GMs, scouts -- and asked for their assessment of Jeter's career, and the response was just about unanimous, even though they were granted anonymity for the sake of complete honesty. Here are some of the responses:
High-ranking executive
"Jeter is the model for every superstar. If you asked every player, manager and GM who they would want their son to emulate, I'm certain Jeter would be in everyone's top five. People who criticize him need to step back from the painting to get the right view. The entire body of work is beyond reproach and will be sorely missed."
Long-time scout
"One of my favorite players and without a doubt the opposing player I respect the most both on the field and in the dugout. The passion to win is always so genuine. His pulse never changes, regardless of the situation. And even if his range has declined at short, he's been reliable enough on both sides of the ball at a premium position to make all the complaints about his range factor irrelevant. The guy will be 40 this year; health issues aside, what club wouldn't want him near the top of their lineup even now?
"He's clearly one of the greatest players of all time, handling a premium position and performing at a well above-average level as consistently as anyone could have asked for or expected, regular season and postseason, in the largest media market and under the most scrutiny. His passion for the game, his team, and the pursuit of victory make him the consummate leader, regardless of how often he takes young players out to dinner or shares a cab after the game.
"The guy has been a joy to watch. Even when he finds a way to beat your club, you can't help but still acknowledge that grudging respect for him."
Long-time AL evaluator
"Jeter has personified toughness, class, dignity and grace in every aspect of his career. He proved to be one of the most durable shortstops in the history of the game indisputably. His critics will sensationalize his negative defensive metrics, while not understanding the importance and degree of difficulty of playing the shortstop position successfully for almost two decades.
"Plus, in his record number of playoff games participated, I can't recall him ever making a crucial physical or mental error. He produced in the playoffs and regular season at a Hall of Fame clip offensively. His damage wasn't Ruthian, but it was always consistent at a high level and close to remarkable for someone exclusively at the shortstop position. He's been able to succeed on Broadway on and off the field. In the most intense and scrutinized media market in the world. A career that will never be duplicated."
NL evaluator
"Jeter was an impact player, even though he never totally impacted the game offensively or defensively. He was a really good player who would always make the tough play or always get the big hit. Did he rate the highest in wOBA or DRS? No, but he found a way to impact every game and to be the most important player on the field even when he didn't do anything.
Jeter was the nerve center of the Yankee dynasty of the late 1990s and early 2000s, and he was one of the best shortstops of the 20th and 21st centuries."
AL evaluator
"When I think of Jeter I mainly think of reliability. You know what you are going to get every day, mentally and -- up until the last couple of years -- physically. Very few mistakes along with consistent play. Same guy no matter what the situation, World Series or a blowout game, you got the same thing out of him."
For the readers: What do you think Jeter's place in the game is? Do you view him as overrated?
Around the league
• Mike Trout is in the midst of negotiations, and as reports drifted out Sunday that the Angels are talking about a $150-million type of deal, some agents not involved in the negotiations privately wondered: Why not more?
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The strategy of taking a six- or seven-year deal now is conventional and sound thinking, given that Trout could lock in a massive payday now and become a free agent in his late 20s.
But the agents not involved in the talks say that Trout is such a transcendent player, with his talent providing such overwhelming leverage, that conventional thinking doesn't have to apply -- as it did not at the time Alex Rodriguez signed his 10-year, $252 million deal before the 2001 season. At that time, there had been no player quite like Rodriguez at that age, and now the same could be said for Trout, whose first two seasons in the big leagues, at age 20 and 21, are unprecedented.
The agents believe that once Trout hits arbitration a year from now and he makes his first bit of big money -- and he would undoubtedly get a record-setting arbitration award -- the pressure on the Angels to work out a deal for heretofore unseen numbers would be staggering. So it behooves Trout -- who execs almost unanimously view as the best player in the game -- to ask for an A-Rod type deal now, because he knows the Angels will lose their leverage in a year.
But let's not forget: $150 million guaranteed is a crazy pile of money. Trout won't let the contract talks distract him, writes Mike DiGiovanna.
• There were no fans watching a back field at the Yankees' complex Sunday morning, when some Yankees coaches and Mark Teixeira gave Kelly Johnson a tutorial on playing first base.
Check that. It was Teixeira who was doing just about all the teaching, with first base coach Mick Kelleher and others chiming in. Teixeira is extremely knowledgeable about the position and precise, and Johnson has played a total of three games at first base, and given that both are right-handed, Teixeira is able to speak directly to footwork Johnson requires.
Teixeira demonstrated to Johnson that as he waits for throws from other parts of the infield, he likes both of his heels touching the bag, "so I know where the base is."
Standing near second base, Kelleher started using a fungo bat to smash hard grounders at Teixeira, simulating bad throws to first, with the ball skipping and bouncing and short-hopping. Teixeira reflexively positioned his feet with each one, reading them deftly, back-handing the ball smoothly on some.
Johnson took his turn and dropped the first ball hit to him. He seemed to be reading the hops a little later than Teixeira had -- naturally, given their relative experience at his position -- and when balls went to his right, Johnson began stepping back across the foul line. Teixeira coaxed him to field the ball on the fair side of the foul line, to keep himself out of the way of baserunners coming down the line.
Teixeira called out to Kelleher: "A little more choppiness -- a little more topspin."
Kelleher began mashing the top half of the baseball, and still Teixeira fielded almost everything cleanly. He stopped for a moment to show Johnson that by using his stride toward the ball, he could adjust his reach to the ball to catch the hop in an optimal position.
Kelleher interrupted for a moment. "Tex, tell him about tracking the ball with your eyes. You're the best at that."
Teixeira crouched to show Johnson that as the ball travels toward the base, he lowers his head so that it's almost on the same plane as his glove. This way, he can be in a better position to see the ball into the glove than he would be if he was more upright, with his head well above his mitt.
Teixeira and Johnson kept taking turns, until Kelleher said, "Last round."
Johnson looked more comfortable, more fluid toward the end, incorporating some of what Teixeira had told him, striding toward the ball as it skipped toward him. On that final round, Johnson fielded everything Kelleher hit at him, finishing a small bit of work in one corner of spring training.
• The Pirates are looking for better production out of their first baseman, and at the very least, Gaby Sanchez could be part of a platoon, after hitting .333/.448/.539 against left-handers last year. In the Pirates' world, the perfect solution would probably be the emergence of Andrew Lambo, a 25-year-old left-handed hitter. He had a .933 OPS in Triple-A last season, with 18 homers in 254 at-bats, and he could share time at first base with Sanchez.
The Pirates looked around for help at first in the winter, negotiating with James Loney and investigating the asking prices of Ike Davis, Mike Carp, among others, and finding them to be too high for comfort. Within that vacuum, Lambo will get a spring training look, at the very least.
Moves, deals and decisions
1. The Yankees signed Brett Gardner to a four-year, $52 million deal, based on a comparison of Gardner to Michael Bourn, who signed a four-year, $48 million deal with Cleveland a year ago.
Bourn was 31 when he signed, coming off a year in which he had a .739 OPS and 42 stolen bases, while ranking among the better center fielders in baseball. Gardner will be 31 in 2015, when his new deal kicks in, and he's coming off a season in which he had a .759 OPS and 24 steals, and is regarded as one of the best left fielders in the majors.
Like Bourn, Gardner has a reputation for being an excellent teammate, and willing to do anything to help. The extension makes dollars and sense, writes Ken Davidoff.
2. The Nats gave Danny Espinosa a raise.
3. Ronald Belisario is having visa issues, and this may be an issue for the White Sox.
4. With Chase Headley down, Bud Black is going to experiment at third base.
Dings and dents
1. Jhoulys Chacin was shut down, writes Troy Renck.
2. Cole Hamels remains on track for a bullpen session.
3. Ike Davis acknowledged that he hid an injury from the Mets last season, writes Mike Puma.
4. Clay Buchholz is out to prove he can go the distance.
5. Matt Harrison's back issue, he believes, stems from a switch of mattresses, writes Evan Grant.
The fight for jobs
1. Daisuke Matsuzaka is in the hunt for the No. 5 spot in the Mets' rotation, writes Tim Rohan.
2. Mike Carp is getting some reps in at third base, in an effort to get some at-bats.
3. The Cardinals' Kevin Siegrist would love to start, writes Rick Hummel.
NL West
• Addison Reed is ready to deliver some late relief.
• Henry Schulman guesses what the Giants' rotation will look like.
• Jamey Wright is more relaxed in the Dodgers' camp.
NL Central
• Ryan Braun is adjusting to right field.
• Billy Hamilton brings a lot of possibility, writes Jerry Crasnick. Manager Bryan Price plans to put the Reds in motion, writes Hal McCoy.
• Todd Frazier seeks a bounce-back season.
• Jeff Locke is determined to put a rocky finish to last season behind him.
• Change is constant in the St. Louis bullpen.
NL East
• The Phillies are hoping for a bounce-back season from Ben Revere, writes Bob Brookover.
• Andrelton Simmons is an artist, as David O'Brien writes.
• arlins prospect Colby Suggs could make history.
AL West
• Shin-Soo Choo has introduced teammates to some relatively new technology.
• Carlos Correa showed something.
• Dustin Ackley is working on his mindset, writes Larry Stone.
• The Mariners have a good one in Kyle Seager.
• Bob Melvin is on Twitter.
AL Central
• Yan Gomes hopes to spread baseball to his homeland of Brazil, writes Tyler Kepner.
• The Royals need Lorenzo Cain on the field.
• Jason Vargas is throwing his curve more, and his cutter ... well, almost not at all.
• Trevor Bauer will get the start in the Indians' first exhibition.
• Cody Allen is taking the bullpen situation in stride, writes Stephanie Storm.
• Avisail Garcia is ready for the next step with the White Sox.
• One little chat changed Glen Perkins's future in his home state, writes Jim Souhan.
AL East
• Ricky Romero is smiling again, writes Ken Fidlin.
• Matt Moore had encouraging bullpen results.
• Hiroki Kuroda is learning Yankees-speak.
• Chris Davis is excited about the Orioles' acquisition of Nelson Cruz. The results of Cruz's physical will be announced today.
• Xander Bogaerts is close to a sure thing, writes Dan Shaughnessy.