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beating the Braves doesn't warrant a "the way the Nats are playing"
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I've been enjoying the Mets current run and I wouldn't call myself a baseball fan in the slightest. It really might be all downhill from here with the Harvey drama and Cespedes most likely not being retained.
With the way the Nats are playing
Should be a pitch limit instead of innings
some writer for Grantland broke that down. I pasted the tweets in here last night. Basically, at Harveys pitches per inning, he can theoretically go 203 innings and hit the 3000 pitch threshold.Should be a pitch limit instead of innings
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a 40 pitch inning & an 8 pitch inning shouldn't count the same
basically yes, which is why I'm frustrated. they made numerous moves to cash their chips and try to win it all this year. every trade made was for a rental (except Addison Reed, but he doesn't count really).So then you all figure this the high point for Mets baseball for the foreseeable future even with such a monstrous pitching staff.
I've been trying to dig into this, is the 180 innings limit from Dr. Andrews or Boras? I read an article that said Andrews recommended 180 innings, and another that said Boras and his team set their own guidelines.
If it's docs orders can't really argue that, any other reason then SMH. Unless he's feeling any discomfort, good to go
It's Boras and his sample size study of 4 pitchers
at the 180 mark, as Boras said was the wish of orthopedist James Andrews (who performed Harvey’s October 2013 surgery). The Mets, in this battle of “He said, they said” with Boras, assert they have utilized guidelines, rather than a hard-innings limit, with Harvey and have received no such mandate from Andrews.
there is no scientific answer, even if you did a retrospective study of every TJ surgery every pitcher is different at best you could try to pick up trends. That said, unless he's feeling discomfort, good to go.
“It’s because pitchers simply don’t throw as much as we did,” Ryan replied, matter-of-factly. “That’s the real issue here. When I pitched, we pitched every fourth day and guys would pitch 300 innings and it wasn’t considered a big deal. If you don’t get on the mound and develop stamina, you’re risking injury. This whole thing with the 100-pitch count limit — I have a real problem with that. Pitchers are all different and when you put standard limitations on them, you’re not utilizing their talent.”
“I absolutely agree with Nolan that more is better,” John said. “Years ago, I’d have gone along with the thinking that there’s only so many bullets in your arm. But we’ve ‘dumbed down’ our thinking today to believing that pitch counts and innings limitations are the way to go to preserve arms. Starting in 1975 with the White Sox, when Johnny Sain was my pitching coach, I would throw six days a week out of seven and it was the best my arm ever felt. For the next 13 years, I never missed a start, except once when I had the flu. Sain believed in throwing between starts and it’s no coincidence that one of his disciples, Leo Mazzone, subscribed to that same philosophy, practicing and throwing every day, as pitching coach for the Braves. The Braves had the best pitching staffs in baseball in the ’90s and all guys like (Greg) Maddux and (Tom) Glavine did was pitch and win and never got hurt.”
there is no scientific answer, even if you did a retrospective study of every TJ surgery every pitcher is different at best you could try to pick up trends. That said, unless he's feeling discomfort, good to go.
Exactly