2013-2014 NBA Season Thread - Congrats to the Spurs, DBD is still a buster

[bhzmafia14]

Honestly, when I watch other sports, I don't necessarily get the feeling of cheap **** going on like I do in the NBA.

 

[cashbanks]

Yes, they'll complain because... AS YOU STATED... we all know Bron will get called for like MAYBE 1 or 2 fouls next game.

HOWWWWW

Do you NOTTTTT

Have a problem w/ that?!

We all know it's coming, and as it happens, you'll just be like "Enh, Sometimes they get the calls right, sometimes they don't." But as you just mentioned, the predictability of situations like this... is ABSURD.

this is what I'm saying no matter what team you're a fan of the fact that we all pretty much know Bron wont get any fouls is an issue you cant have blatant agendas or do overs out here

they arent missing calls their making up for previous mistakes etc thats a problem

thats why i say you have no idea going in whats gonna be called its not like you can go off past experiences

 

[Clyde Frog]

Im not against fouling out. The NBA just needs to stop doing whatever its doing. There arent any issues in college ball. And it has nothing to do with how fast the game is. If the NFL can find refs that see the slightest of slight flinches and be correct on a false start/encroachment call or the MLB umps being correct on the most marginal of calls with who is safe, and be right 99.9% of the time. I think the NBA could find at least one ref that can spot the guy taking 5 steps and call a travel 99.9% of the time. I would also think they'd have a good enough understanding of the game to know what is an is not an offensive call by now (my biggest issue). If George leaping in front of Lebron, body sideways, feet air born, is an offensive foul, then that changes the way the entire game is played.

Now I could list millions of examples, obviously, but ive accepted that the NBA is a different breed of basketball. The NBA has changed the way the game is played and peoples perception on how it should be played. I dont like it, but ive accepted it. And ill probably never stop *****ing about it. Because i love basketball.

 

[pmatic]

A bunch of DubAs in here now.

 

[proshares]

Honestly, when I watch other sports, I don't necessarily get the feeling of cheap **** going on like I do in the NBA.

Do yourself a favor and check out the MLB umps taking minutes to go to replay, go to ump central (or whatever it's called) and still mess up a call and get back to me or even flip to NBC and check how horrific these guys have been in the Cup playoffs.

 

[CP1708]

Honestly, when I watch other sports, I don't necessarily get the feeling of cheap **** going on like I do in the NBA.

Of course you don't.

Ask a Seattle fan about the Pitt Superbowl.

Ask any baseball fan that faced Greg Maddux or Tom Glavine in the playoffs. They would get "strikes" called if it just made it to the catchers mitt in city limits.

 

[MVP]

The fact that LBJ gets more than the benefit of the doubt from refs 90% on offense and especially defense being allowed to run over ppl, use his off arm blatantly, hack people with no consequences, a guy who hadn't fouled out in 5 years. Gets in foul trouble, doesn't even foul out yet the rules need to be changed. It's laughable, wasn't there a 10 game stretch where he didn't commit a single foul, like JVG said for a guy who's as physical as he is on defense and bullyingon offense it's quite interesting.

Even more the pacers have had 3 different guys in foul trouble at various times on similar ticky tack calls and not the outrage I'm seeing today.

Heat fans really have some nerve complaining about calls after how many they've benefited from since Wade got to Dade county. And they're quick to call out others for complaining about refs. It's comically hypocritical.

 

[imlive365]

LeBron has fouled out the last two years in the post season tho. So saying he doesn't foul out dosent make sense. That not fouling out for 5 years was clevland years.

 

[bhzmafia14]

If Kobe Bryant had two fouls in the first or second quarter and went to the bench, one referee would tell the other two, "Kobe's got two fouls. Let's make sure that if we call a foul on him, it's an obvious foul, because otherwise he's gonna go back to the bench. If he is involved in a play where a foul is called, give the foul to another player."

Similarly, when games got physically rough, we would huddle up and agree to tighten the game up. So we started calling fouls on guys who didn't really matter — "ticky-tack" or "touch" fouls where one player just touched another but didn't really impede his progress. Under regular circumstances these wouldn't be fouls, but after a skirmish we wanted to regain control. We would never call these types of fouls on superstars, just on the average players who didn't have star status. It was important to keep the stars on the floor.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

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[proshares]

Well if we're going to start deciding which fan bases are allowed to complain about calls by whether or not their team has been the beneficiary of shoddy officiating in the past, everyone is going to need to shut the **** up and stop posting.

If they have a complaint about a game for once, let em complain. Lord knows no one wants to hear the 500th post arguing calls from the same goddamn person again.

 

[CP1708]

Fouls don't take anyone out of the game. Coaches do.


Bron had 5 fouls the entire 4th quarter, and played the whole time.


There's no rule you have to take a guy out with 2 fouls in the first, coaches just play it safe.


People once again overreacting to anything and everything having to do with refs. Give that crap a rest. They make split second calls, some you get, some you don't.


Fairly sure that LeBron James has bulldozed thru defenders for a decade, and benefited from the whistle plenty in this league. Now he has one bad game with refs, and we need to change this, review that, switch this, add extra refs, open the Kennedy assassination files, blah blah blah.


Tomorrow night, Bron won't have a single foul called on him, even if he kicks Lance in the balls. But ref complainers will still search for something to ***** about.

Yes, they'll complain because... AS YOU STATED... we all know Bron will get called for like MAYBE 1 or 2 fouls next game.

HOWWWWW

Do you NOTTTTT

Have a problem w/ that?!

We all know it's coming, and as it happens, you'll just be like "Enh, Sometimes they get the calls right, sometimes they don't." But as you just mentioned, the predictability of situations like this... is ABSURD.

Here's the thing tho. He's played, what, 1,000 games?

Usually, he NEVER gets into foul trouble, EVER.

So when we say that he will "predictably" not get any fouls called on Friday night, I mean, that goes along with about 995 of his games, right? Is that not, right in line with the law of averages?

Last night, was the anomaly, not tomorrow night, yes?

And if he does pick up 4 fouls tomorrow, then what? The league has something against him now, or they just made a few calls that went either way?

 

[awwsome]

Honestly, when I watch other sports, I don't necessarily get the feeling of cheap **** going on like I do in the NBA.

You don't watch the NFL?

 

[coldcity]

If Kobe Bryant had two fouls in the first or second quarter and went to the bench, one referee would tell the other two, "Kobe's got two fouls. Let's make sure that if we call a foul on him, it's an obvious foul, because otherwise he's gonna go back to the bench. If he is involved in a play where a foul is called, give the foul to another player."

Similarly, when games got physically rough, we would huddle up and agree to tighten the game up. So we started calling fouls on guys who didn't really matter — "ticky-tack" or "touch" fouls where one player just touched another but didn't really impede his progress. Under regular circumstances these wouldn't be fouls, but after a skirmish we wanted to regain control. We would never call these types of fouls on superstars, just on the average players who didn't have star status. It was important to keep the stars on the floor.

 

[JD617]

There arent any issues in college ball.

What are you talking about, refs in college basketball are awful. Easily worse than NBA refs.

 

[awwsome]

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[CP1708]

If Kobe Bryant had two fouls in the first or second quarter and went to the bench, one referee would tell the other two, "Kobe's got two fouls. Let's make sure that if we call a foul on him, it's an obvious foul, because otherwise he's gonna go back to the bench. If he is involved in a play where a foul is called, give the foul to another player."

Similarly, when games got physically rough, we would huddle up and agree to tighten the game up. So we started calling fouls on guys who didn't really matter — "ticky-tack" or "touch" fouls where one player just touched another but didn't really impede his progress. Under regular circumstances these wouldn't be fouls, but after a skirmish we wanted to regain control. We would never call these types of fouls on superstars, just on the average players who didn't have star status. It was important to keep the stars on the floor.

Tim Donahy quotes now? Is that what this is?

 

[awwsome]

What are you talking about, refs in college basketball are awful. Easily worse than NBA refs.

So true, even worse because they coach all different levels of basketball not just NCAA so not only are they making bad calls but sometimes calls that aren't even legal.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

If Kobe Bryant had two fouls in the first or second quarter and went to the bench, one referee would tell the other two, "Kobe's got two fouls. Let's make sure that if we call a foul on him, it's an obvious foul, because otherwise he's gonna go back to the bench. If he is involved in a play where a foul is called, give the foul to another player."

Similarly, when games got physically rough, we would huddle up and agree to tighten the game up. So we started calling fouls on guys who didn't really matter — "ticky-tack" or "touch" fouls where one player just touched another but didn't really impede his progress. Under regular circumstances these wouldn't be fouls, but after a skirmish we wanted to regain control. We would never call these types of fouls on superstars, just on the average players who didn't have star status. It was important to keep the stars on the floor.

Not saying this is completely false, but I read the book and there's some pretty outlandish things in there

 

[darthska]

 

 

Fouls don't take anyone out of the game. Coaches do.


Bron had 5 fouls the entire 4th quarter, and played the whole time.


There's no rule you have to take a guy out with 2 fouls in the first, coaches just play it safe.


People once again overreacting to anything and everything having to do with refs. Give that crap a rest. They make split second calls, some you get, some you don't.


Fairly sure that LeBron James has bulldozed thru defenders for a decade, and benefited from the whistle plenty in this league. Now he has one bad game with refs, and we need to change this, review that, switch this, add extra refs, open the Kennedy assassination files, blah blah blah.


Tomorrow night, Bron won't have a single foul called on him, even if he kicks Lance in the balls. But ref complainers will still search for something to ***** about.

Yes, they'll complain because... AS YOU STATED... we all know Bron will get called for like MAYBE 1 or 2 fouls next game.

HOWWWWW

Do you NOTTTTT

Have a problem w/ that?!

We all know it's coming, and as it happens, you'll just be like "Enh, Sometimes they get the calls right, sometimes they don't." But as you just mentioned, the predictability of situations like this... is ABSURD.

Here's the thing tho. He's played, what, 1,000 games?

Usually, he NEVER gets into foul trouble, EVER.

So when we say that he will "predictably" not get any fouls called on Friday night, I mean, that goes along with about 995 of his games, right? Is that not, right in line with the law of averages?

Last night, was the anomaly, not tomorrow night, yes?

And if he does pick up 4 fouls tomorrow, then what? The league has something against him now, or they just made a few calls that went either way?

Correct, and that's why I had the reply "Let's not pretend that this 'Refs suck!' outcry is new."

People BEEN complaining about refs, and a major piece of evidence has been Bron's bulldozing ways leading to... NOTHING.

Last night's game has only given voice to the fans who have been quiet this whole time, since Bron has been a benefactor but was finally a victim. Everyone else but those fans BEEN saying, man.

 

[CP1708]

Bob Delaney on Tim Donahy

Delaney: My background is well documented, and I’ve been dealing with criminals for a long time. Criminals will step on anybody’s head to get out of the water, to get out of the pool … It didn’t surprise me or quite honestly concern me, because I know my own character, I know who I am — my résumé is more than a little bit stronger than Tim Donaghy’s.26

26. Before refereeing, Delaney was a longtime police officer who once went undercover to infiltrate the New Jersey mob.

Howard-Cooper: People use Donaghy’s [letter] as final confirmation about Game 6. Suddenly, Tim Donaghy was the credible reason to believe every crazy theory. In Tim Donaghy they had their proof, which, of course, is laughable.

 

[bhzmafia14]

The NFL is NOT that bad.

The interim refs made the NFL terrible, but that's because the referees were terrible. I don't know much about hidden agendas, but I don't know anyone that works for the NFL either.

I'm not going to sit up here and say everything is predictable in the NBA, because its not. There's a reason I still watch a lot of games and I have a favorite team that I watch faithfully. But, I'm not going to say there isn't predictability in the league. Its not always because the ref misses the call because they're human or a team just happens to win a ball game.

 

[awwsome]

Not saying this is completely false, but I read the book and there's some pretty outlandish things in there

Yea I'm not believing much a compulsive liar/gambling addict who's making a money grab of a book has to say even if he was a ref at one time.

 

[darthska]

I have no idea how anyone WHO REGULARLY WATCHES SPORTS can defend NBA officiating.

It's 'mind bottling' to me.

 

[CP1708]

I have no idea how anyone WHO REGULARLY WATCHES SPORTS can defend NBA officiating.

It's 'mind bottling' to me.

Because NFL and MLB officiating is the exact same.

Collegiate football and basketball, same thing as well.

Tennis umps

Boxing refs....