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Um the BRZ production pics are boring, something is diff.
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A true enthusiast can appreciate where a car succeeds
A true enthusiast can appreciate where a car succeeds
Look, I hated my old Civic Si but that car sold by the TRUCKLOAD. It wasn't mod friendly, had 197hp in the great K20, wasn't made in Japan, and was more expensive than this car will be. Trust, this thing will sell.Originally Posted by StillIn729
this is gonna be a tough sell in the US if all they offer is the 197 HP model; the look will become dated quick and it will be the 2000 Celica all over again
Look, I hated my old Civic Si but that car sold by the TRUCKLOAD. It wasn't mod friendly, had 197hp in the great K20, wasn't made in Japan, and was more expensive than this car will be. Trust, this thing will sell.Originally Posted by StillIn729
this is gonna be a tough sell in the US if all they offer is the 197 HP model; the look will become dated quick and it will be the 2000 Celica all over again
I like the car and I WOULD buy one but American's look at HP numbers and with a price with competitors at much higher figures I see strong initial sales but a drop from thereOriginally Posted by finnns2003
Look, I hated my old Civic Si but that car sold by the TRUCKLOAD. It wasn't mod friendly, had 197hp in the great K20, wasn't made in Japan, and was more expensive than this car will be. Trust, this thing will sell.Originally Posted by StillIn729
this is gonna be a tough sell in the US if all they offer is the 197 HP model; the look will become dated quick and it will be the 2000 Celica all over again
I like the car and I WOULD buy one but American's look at HP numbers and with a price with competitors at much higher figures I see strong initial sales but a drop from thereOriginally Posted by finnns2003
Look, I hated my old Civic Si but that car sold by the TRUCKLOAD. It wasn't mod friendly, had 197hp in the great K20, wasn't made in Japan, and was more expensive than this car will be. Trust, this thing will sell.Originally Posted by StillIn729
this is gonna be a tough sell in the US if all they offer is the 197 HP model; the look will become dated quick and it will be the 2000 Celica all over again
Originally Posted by StillIn729
I like the car and I WOULD buy one but American's look at HP numbers and with a price with competitors at much higher figures I see strong initial sales but a drop from thereOriginally Posted by finnns2003
Look, I hated my old Civic Si but that car sold by the TRUCKLOAD. It wasn't mod friendly, had 197hp in the great K20, wasn't made in Japan, and was more expensive than this car will be. Trust, this thing will sell.Originally Posted by StillIn729
this is gonna be a tough sell in the US if all they offer is the 197 HP model; the look will become dated quick and it will be the 2000 Celica all over again
Originally Posted by StillIn729
I like the car and I WOULD buy one but American's look at HP numbers and with a price with competitors at much higher figures I see strong initial sales but a drop from thereOriginally Posted by finnns2003
Look, I hated my old Civic Si but that car sold by the TRUCKLOAD. It wasn't mod friendly, had 197hp in the great K20, wasn't made in Japan, and was more expensive than this car will be. Trust, this thing will sell.Originally Posted by StillIn729
this is gonna be a tough sell in the US if all they offer is the 197 HP model; the look will become dated quick and it will be the 2000 Celica all over again
The only thing this car needs to improve on is more weight reduction.Originally Posted by dankenstien88
Nah.Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
People complaining about the 200HP figure is missing the point again. Straight gotta recycle old comments.
A true enthusiast would appreciate this car for what it is, not what it should be.
A true enthusiast can appreciate where a car succeeds and also see where there is room for improvement.
200hp is fine for a base model DD but true enthusiasts are already demanding a performance variant because this just wont cut it without mods that will void the warranty.
The only thing this car needs to improve on is more weight reduction.Originally Posted by dankenstien88
Nah.Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
People complaining about the 200HP figure is missing the point again. Straight gotta recycle old comments.
A true enthusiast would appreciate this car for what it is, not what it should be.
A true enthusiast can appreciate where a car succeeds and also see where there is room for improvement.
200hp is fine for a base model DD but true enthusiasts are already demanding a performance variant because this just wont cut it without mods that will void the warranty.
Originally Posted by StillIn729
this is gonna be a tough sell in the US if all they offer is the 197 HP model; the look will become dated quick and it will be the 2000 Celica all over again
RFX45 wrote:
dankenstien88 wrote:
A true enthusiast can appreciate where a car succeeds
But less than a handful of people has driven the car and can comment on it. How do you know, along with all these "enthusiast", that it has already failed?
Kinda took what I said out of context there didn't ya? Like literally took it out of context.
I never said anything about it failing. I said there is definitely "room for improvement", not a fail by any means. I think overall this car is a success; its affordable, it looks pretty good, handles well, and should have a decent amount of aftermarket parts available. But that does not mean Toyota/Subaru should stop where they are at and release this car for the next 10 years unchanged. I think it only makes sense to improve upon this platform and eventually release a more powerful, more expensive variant for those interested in keeping up with the modern pony cars and maintaining their warranty.
The Edmund's test drive review of the car said it needed more power, but it would have been a cost issue to do so. I completely understand a 25k car having a HP rating around 200, but I still think there is a market for a factory performance package at a higher premium. Im not advocating getting rid of the 200hp version, but rather an expansion of the line to fit a more diverse group of wants and needs (ala Charger/Challenger [entry level] V6, [moderate performance] R/T, and [serious performance] SRT.
RFX45 wrote:
dankenstien88 wrote:
A true enthusiast can appreciate where a car succeeds
But less than a handful of people has driven the car and can comment on it. How do you know, along with all these "enthusiast", that it has already failed?
Kinda took what I said out of context there didn't ya? Like literally took it out of context.
I never said anything about it failing. I said there is definitely "room for improvement", not a fail by any means. I think overall this car is a success; its affordable, it looks pretty good, handles well, and should have a decent amount of aftermarket parts available. But that does not mean Toyota/Subaru should stop where they are at and release this car for the next 10 years unchanged. I think it only makes sense to improve upon this platform and eventually release a more powerful, more expensive variant for those interested in keeping up with the modern pony cars and maintaining their warranty.
The Edmund's test drive review of the car said it needed more power, but it would have been a cost issue to do so. I completely understand a 25k car having a HP rating around 200, but I still think there is a market for a factory performance package at a higher premium. Im not advocating getting rid of the 200hp version, but rather an expansion of the line to fit a more diverse group of wants and needs (ala Charger/Challenger [entry level] V6, [moderate performance] R/T, and [serious performance] SRT.
Originally Posted by StillIn729
this is gonna be a tough sell in the US if all they offer is the 197 HP model; the look will become dated quick and it will be the 2000 Celica all over again