2010 Official Boxing Thread: Soto/Antillon, 2010 Fight of the Year.

[petozham]

I can't believe most of you are buying that poor performance. That was clearly acting, he was oding to no ends, quite pathetic. When you get KO'd your eyes roll back and you become stiff, and have no control over your legs or body. He gets hit, eyes open, looks fine, looks at the ref, realizes the position he'ss in, puts his hands over his face(again, you cant control your body, including arms, he looked quite fluid for someone knocked out), slowly goes down side ways, starts doing some awful seizure looking bit for 10 minutes, gets up, and adds the cherry on the topping with tears. PATHETIC. If you guys think that was serious, then I dunno what to say besides you're gullible and naive and you should let me borrow your life savings cuz I promise I'll pay you back a week later.

He could of easily won without those tactics, but instead he does the best thing to insure a victory and avoid a highly possible legal KO.

FOR THE RECORD, I completely disagree with that AA did, that was unnecessary and stupid as hell.

 

[proshares]

You must not watch much boxing because people get knocked out all the time and move their hands and legs and have their eyes open.  If you get KO'ed like that, your eyes don't roll in the back of your head unless you're mightily struggling to breathe or having some sort of seizure reaction to getting hit.  You're a %+%%$%* moron for that ridiculous argument and reasons behind it.  I'd like to see you down on one knee and take a punch from the best puncher at 168 and see how much acting you do.  With your reasoning, everyone who gets knocked out and their eyes don't roll in the back of their head or if they move at all, they are faking it.  Solid, SOLID post by you.

 

[gunna get it]

lol

 

[eddiee21]

I'll give Direll the benefit of the doubt that he really did get a concussion. But lol at people saying he should win an Academy Award.

 

[dako akong otin]

Erik Morales highlights from his fight... damn, he got fat

 

 

[hueyp in louiev]

El Terrible

The Gift and The Curse.

These fighters just don't know when to retire.

 

[M. Fresh]

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Anyone got Video on the DQ yet?

I missed it...(No showtime where im at...)

:Guzman should be ashamed with the W, dude was cocky with it too

 

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Saturday at Detroit​

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Super middleweight
Andre Dirrell W-DQ11 Arthur Abraham
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Rafael's remark: Conventional wisdom said the fight would go one of two ways: Either Dirrell -- the underdog who was taller, faster and more skillful -- would outbox Abraham, or the murderously punching Abraham would knock out Dirrell late, as he had done to so many previous foes. Who would have figured we'd see both things happen?





In the opening match of the second round of Showtime's revolutionary Super Six round-robin tournament, Flint, Mich., native Dirrell fought on home turf for only the second time in his career. He fought brilliantly against the German and dominated virtually the entire fight.





Although Abraham was reluctant to throw many punches, as is typical, Dirrell stayed busy, connected with both hands and boxed circles around him in an entertaining bout. It was not one of the usual hold-and-run fights we've gotten so used to with Dirrell, who lost his Super Six opener to Carl Froch because he held and ran too much.





The 2004 U.S. Olympic bronze medalist dropped Abraham in the fourth round with a flush left hand, making the former middleweight titlist taste the canvas for the first time. He opened a cut over Abraham's right eye in the seventh round and should have been credited with a knockdown at the end of the round when he knocked Abraham into the ropes, but referee Laurence Cole, who had a shaky night, didn't rule it a knockdown.





Dirrell continued to hammer Abraham, whose eye was in bad shape, in the ninth. But in the 10th round, Abraham looked as if he might turn it around when he scored a clean knockdown on a right hand. Yet Cole completely blew it when he called it a slip. Nonetheless, Dirrell, 26, was in total command in the 11th round until he slipped on the wet canvas in one of the corners and went down. Although Dirrell was clearly down on one knee, Abraham smashed him with a right hand to the temple. The punch badly hurt Dirrell, who fell over and was out cold, forcing Cole to disqualify Abraham for a blatant foul.





It was a disappointing ending to Dirrell's unexpectedly dominant performance. Abraham, 30, claimed he didn't do it on purpose, and maybe he didn't, but it was a brutal shot while Dirrell was clearly down. Cole may have missed some other calls in this fight, but he was spot-on with the DQ.





Abraham promoter Sauerland Event said it will protest the ruling. Good luck. There is no chance the result will be changed. Dirrell, meanwhile, came around and got to his feet, but he was incoherent and didn't realize what had happened, even after his team explained it to him. He attempted a brief interview with Showtime, but it was quickly terminated when it was obvious he needed medical attention. Dirrell was eventually taken to the hospital, where he spent a few hours for tests and observation before he was released, according to promoter Gary Shaw.





At the time of the disqualification, Dirrell was way ahead on all three scorecards (98-91 and 97-92 twice). With the win, Dirrell picked up two points to tie Andre Ward and Froch for second place in the tournament, although each of them has his Group Stage 2 bouts upcoming (Froch against Mikkel Kessler on April 24 and Ward against Allan Green on June 19). Abraham leads with three points. The top four advance to the semifinals. One thing is clear: Dirrell, if he can recover from the heinous foul, will be a force to be reckoned with before this thing is over.




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Saturday at Las Vegas ​

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Junior welterweight
Marcos Maidana KO6 Victor Cayo
Retains an interim junior welterweight title​

[/td][/tr][tr][td]Records: Maidana, 28-1, 27 KOs; Cayo, 24-1, 16 KOs

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Rafael's remark: There's a reason the handlers of titleholder Amir Khan -- Golden Boy and trainer Freddie Roach -- want no part of Maidana, even though as an interim titleholder, he is the mandatory challenger for Khan. The Khan camp went to great lengths to avoid the mandatory by making some bogus deal to keep him away from the money-generating Khan for some time while allowing him to keep his belt. The whole thing was disingenuous to have them both keep belts without fighting each other, but the terrible World Boxing Association approved, which was no big surprise.





If you want to know why the Khan camp is petrified to match the chinny Khan with the monster-punching Maidana, his knockout of Cayo should illustrate why. Argentina's Maidana, 26, is a no-frills guy, but he's superaggressive and rarely gives his opponent a chance to breathe. He came to the United States during the summer of 2009 and made top prospect Victor Ortiz quit in the sixth round of their slugfest, then returned to Argentina for a title defense in November before returning to HBO to face the Dominican Republic's talented Cayo, 25, who may have been too over his head too soon against Maidana.





Cayo is awkward and fast and may eventually develop into a topflight contender, but it didn't happen against Maidana. Although Cayo had his moments and did a nice job outboxing Maidana in spots, he couldn't hold him off. Maidana cracked Cayo with a left hand a split second after the bell ended the second round, and he went down. Maidana clearly didn't hit him after the bell on purpose, and there was no penalty.





In the sixth round, Maidana ended matters, although not with a punch to the chin as you figured probably would happen if he scored the knockout. Instead, Maidana sunk a right hand to the pit of Cayo's cut, and Cayo went down. Although he got to all fours, referee Joe Cortez counted him out at 1 minute, 38 seconds.

If HBO has its way, Maidana's next opponent will be unified titleholder Devon Alexander in the summer. That would be a very interesting fight. But there are so many possibilities in the deep 140-pound division that there are lots of fights for Maidana -- except one with Khan for the time being, because his side knows that would be a bad matchup for the British star.
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Welterweight
Joan Guzman W12 Ali Funeka
Scores: 116-111, 114-113 Guzman, 114-113 Funeka​

[tr][td]Records: Guzman, 30-0-1, 17 KOs; Funeka, 30-3-3, 25 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Guzman is a disgrace to boxing. So he got the close split decision against the hard-luck Funeka, but what did it mean? Guzman cheated yet again, and his management, his Golden Boy promoters or any athletic commission should not be allowed to sign him to a fight below the welterweight division. Furthermore, he ought to be banned from HBO and Showtime after showing up at Friday's weigh-in at 144 pounds. The weight wouldn't be a problem if he were in a welterweight title bout. But it's a huge issue when you're supposed to weigh 135 pounds and fight for a vacant lightweight belt. Doing that once can be forgiven. But Guzman has pulled the unacceptable stunt three times. Enough is enough, especially considering he usually makes crappy fights anyway. When will somebody just say no to this guy?





In late 2008, Guzman, 33, was supposed to challenge then-lightweight titlist Nate Campbell on Showtime, but Guzman weighed 138½ pounds and refused to go through with a nontitle bout even though Campbell was willing. In November, Guzman, of the Dominican Republic, faced Funeka on HBO but was again overweight. Only Funeka, who had worked hard to make the weight, was eligible to win the vacant belt. Funeka, 32, kicked Guzman's butt all night for what should have been a lopsided win, but two judges ruled it an incomprehensible draw. So Guzman got an undeserved rematch, HBO bought the utterly unnecessary fight (albeit as a substitute when another bout fell out) and Guzman eked out the close win in a bout for which he had a massive advantage because Funeka again had drained down to 135 pounds while Guzman didn't and came in much heavier.





Funeka gave the former junior featherweight and junior lightweight titlist a bloody nose in the sixth round, but Guzman responded with a chopping right hand behind the ear that dropped Funeka. The South African was unable to get his jab rolling as he had in the first fight, and Guzman was able to move and box enough to come away with the decision.

Despite losing to a heavier man, Funeka may be the best lightweight in the world, even though he is officially 0-2-1 in his past three bouts. Of course, all three came against opponents who didn't make 135 pounds: two against Guzman and a majority draw against Campbell, who was overweight for their February 2009 bout.

Guzman was fined 25 percent of his $125,000 purse, half of which ($15,625) went to the Nevada commission and half to Funeka, who also got a little bit more in a side deal from Guzman for agreeing to go through with the fight. He wasn't going to refuse the fight after a long training camp and a tremendous need for the payday. Hopefully, Funeka gets some more paydays and Guzman doesn't.
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Super middleweight
Daniel Jacobs TKO1 Jose Rodriguez Berrio

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[tr][td]Records: Jacobs, 19-0, 16 KOs; Berrio, 12-5-1, 6 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Nursing a hand injury, Jacobs, the 2009 ESPN.com prospect of the year, had been out of action since August. He made his ring return a quick one. The Brooklyn, N.Y., native blew away Rodriguez Berrio, 34, of Colombia, handing him his fourth loss in a row. Jacobs dropped him twice, including just before the end of the round. Although Rodriguez Berrio made it to his feet, referee Jay Nady stopped the bout between rounds on the advice of the ringside doctor. Assuming his hand is OK, Jacobs ought to be back in short order. But instead of going on the May 1 Shane Mosley-Floyd Mayweather HBO PPV undercard, it is more likely he will be added to the May 15 Amir Khan-Paulie Malignaggi undercard in New York, which Golden Boy realizes makes more sense.
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Saturday at Monterrey, Mexico​

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Welterweight
Erik Morales W12 Jose Alfaro
Scores: 117-111, 116-112 (twice)​

[/td][/tr][tr][td]Records: Morales, 49-6, 34 KOs; Alfaro, 23-6, 20 KOs
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Rafael's remark: The last time we saw Morales, the former three-division champ and one of the greatest fighters in Mexican history, was 2½ years ago. He moved up to lightweight and challenged David Diaz for a belt. Morales lost the decision and, after losing his fourth fight in a row and fifth fight in his last six, announced his retirement after a career filled with brutal slugfests. Retirements in boxing, however, mean little and Morales, 33, emerged from his sabbatical by moving up two divisions to welterweight to face Nicaragua's Alfaro, 26, a former lightweight titlist who also was moving up in weight.





Morales looked pudgy and slow (he was never all that fast) in his new division and didn't look particularly good, but, like so many of his past fights, it was an old fashioned slugfest in which they swapped a ton of punches in an entertaining battle. In his heyday, Morales would have cut down Alfaro with ease. Not so anymore, but he did more than enough for the decision and kept alive his hope of a welterweight title shot.

Morales still has designs on becoming the first Mexican to win titles in four divisions. He failed against Diaz before his retirement. Now he's back, but after struggling at times with a mediocre opponent in Alfaro, another title, especially at welterweight seems more wishful thinking than a real possibility. The same goes for Morales' desire for a fourth fight with Manny Pacquiao, whom he beat in their first bout in 2005 but who knocked him out in their two subsequent fights.
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Light heavyweight
Chris Henry KO1 Hugo Hernan Garay
Title eliminator​

[tr][td]Records: Henry, 25-2, 20 KOs; Garay, 32-5, 17 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Houston's Henry, 29, has had problems outside the ring, but he put it together to blow out former titleholder Garay, 29, in 2 minutes, 20 seconds. The victory earned Henry, who stopped the Argentine with a right hand, a mandatory shot at titleholder Beibut Shumenov. Garay, who lost his second consecutive bout, hadn't fought since losing his belt to Gabriel Campillo via majority decision in June. Henry notched his second straight win since dropping a split decision to Yusaf Mack 13 months ago.
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Saturday at Hamburg, Germany​

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Featherweight
Yuriorkis Gamboa W12 Jonathan Victor Barros
Retains a featherweight title
Scores: 118-109 (twice), 116-111​

[/td][/tr][tr][td]Records: Gamboa, 18-0, 15 KOs; Barros, 28-1-1, 16 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Gamboa is usually an explosive, offensive fighter. He didn't fight the rugged Barros in that style but still cruised to a dominant decision to retain his belt for the third time.





The Cuban 2004 Olympic gold medalist had defected to Germany and turned pro there in 2007. In fact, he fought four of his first five pro bouts there. With co-promoter Ahmet Öner launching a new series on a German television network, Gamboa, now based in Miami, returned to his old turf to give the debut show a little something special.





Gamboa, 28, was way faster and more powerful than Barros, but he seemed to give his Argentine challenger a bit too much respect. Although he was winning easily, Gamboa never truly pressed the action like we're used to seeing him do. His best moment came in the eighth round, when Gamboa put together a flurry, including a right hand to the body, that knocked Barros down. Had Gamboa pressed the issue, it appeared as though he could have gotten a knockout eventually, but he seemed content to go the route and play out the rounds.





Barros, 26, was fighting outside Argentina for only the second time and outside of South America for the first time. He has a good chin and tried, but he was outclassed.





Gamboa may have the WBA's featherweight title, but it's as bogus as they come. Chris John, the longtime titleholder, is called a "super champion," which is simply the WBA's underhanded way of exacting multiple sanction fees for so-called title fights in a division that already has a titlist. Don't let anyone tell you it's anything other than a scam.





Gamboa is staying busy. He fought on HBO in January, faced Barros and is due back on HBO on July 17 or July 24 in the U.S. Co-promoter Top Rank wants to match him with junior featherweight titlist Celestino Caballero, who is moving up for an April 10 HBO fight. If Caballero wins, that's the fight being discussed for July.
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Heavyweight
Juan Carlos Gomez KO3 Alex Mazikin
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[tr][td]Records: Gomez, 45-2, 36 KOs; Mazikin, 13-5-2, 3 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Gomez, a Cuban defector based in Germany and a former cruiserweight titlist who has fought as a heavyweight since 2001, got a title shot against Ukraine's Vitali Klitschko in March 2009. The fight did not go well for Gomez, who was thrashed en route to a ninth-round knockout loss. Making his return to the ring against a far less accomplished Ukrainian fighter, Gomez routed Mazikin, 35, who dropped to 0-3-1 in his past four bouts. Gomez dropped him four times with body shots, twice in the first round and twice more in the third for the win.
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Saturday at Rama, Ontario​

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Junior featherweight
Steve Molitor W12 Takalani Ndlovu
Wins a vacant junior featherweight title
Scores: 117-111, 116-112, 115-113​

[/td][/tr][tr][td]Records: Molitor, 32-1, 12 KOs; Ndlovu, 30-6, 18 KOs
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Rafael's remark: In July 2007, Molitor, 29, made his first title defense against South Africa's Ndlovu, 32, and stopped him in the ninth round. They met in a rematch for that same belt, which had become vacant after Celestino Caballero (who knocked out Molitor in the fourth round to win it in a November 2008 unification fight) vacated and moved up in weight. Molitor, riding a three-fight winning streak to get himself back into a title bout, couldn't get the knockout in the rematch and wasn't nearly as dominant as in their first meeting, but he still did enough to claim the competitive decision and vacant title in front of his crowd at Casino Rama, where he fought for the 10th consecutive time. Molitor started very slowly and cautiously in what was a fairly boring fight but did enough to take later rounds and win the decision to reclaim his old belt.




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Saturday at Acapulco, Mexico​

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Junior flyweight
Ulises Solis TKO5 Bert Batawang
Title eliminator​

[/td][/tr][tr][td]Records: Solis, 30-2-2, 21 KOs; Batawang, 45-15-3, 37 KOs
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Rafael's remark: In December 2007, Mexico's Solis stopped the Philippines' Batawang in the ninth round of a junior flyweight title defense. Three fights later, Solis lost that title to Brian Viloria via 11th-round knockout in April 2009. Solis, 28, rebounded with a victory to set up the rematch with Batawang in an eliminator to get a title shot at Carlos Tamara, who dethroned Viloria in January. In the rematch, which headlined "Top Rank Live," Solis took Batawang out even quicker with a good performance in an action fight. Solis took over in the fourth round, when he cracked Batawang in the nose and dropped him to his butt with 50 seconds left. It was a big round for Solis, who continued to pay a beating on him, particularly to the body, in the fifth round. After the round, Batawang, 38, had enough and retired on his stool as he lost for the second time in three fights (both by stoppage).
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Flyweight
Giovanni Segura TKO4 Ronald Ramos
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[tr][td]Records: Segura, 24-1-1, 20 KOs; Ramos, 28-8-3, 14 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Segura, a Mexico native living in Southern California, returned to his birth country for his second bout in a row and had another easy night. The junior flyweight titlist had defended his title with a third-round knockout of Walter Tello on Feb. 20. Returning to action just five weeks later, Segura rolled over Colombia's Ramos, 33, in a nontitle bout. Segura was in control all the way, battering Ramos until ending it in the fourth. Segura, one of the biggest punchers pound-for-pound in the world, dropped Ramos with a right hand to the body midway through the fourth round and punished him for the remainder of the frame. After the round, Ramos, who entered the bout on a 9-0-2 run, quit on his stool. It was Segura's fifth win in a row (all coming via knockout) since his lone defeat in 2008, a decision to Cesar Canchila that was avenged via fourth-round knockout in March 2009 to start his new winning streak.
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Saturday at Tokyo​

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Flyweight
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam W12 Koki Kameda
Wins flyweight world title, scores: 116-112, 115-112, 114-114​

[/td][/tr][tr][td]Records: Wonjongkam, 75-3-1, 39 KOs; Kameda, 22-1, 14 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Thailand hero Wonjongkam, 32, turned back the clock and looked terrific as he easily outpointed Japan's 23-year-old Kameda for an upset to claim flyweight supremacy. Wonjongkam, who held an interim title and was Kameda's mandatory challenger, won not only an alphabet title but also the vacant Ring magazine title, emblematic of the real champion in the division.

Wonjongkam had held a title from 2001 to 2007, making 17 defenses before losing it to Japan's Daisuke Naito, whom he had already beaten three times before losing the belt in their fourth meeting. Kameda, a former junior flyweight titleholder, dethroned his countryman in November and was facing fellow southpaw Wonjongkam in his first defense.

Despite not being as fast as Kameda, Wonjongkam, who put his punches together well, was in control all the way, despite the questionable 114-114 scorecard. Unfortunately, like all World Boxing Council title bouts in Japan, this one used open scoring, so the judges' scorecards were announced after the fourth and eighth rounds. An accidental head butt opened a cut over Kameda's right eye in the fifth round, and it resulted in another horrible WBC rule being used -- the one that says in the event of a butt, the uncut fighter is deducted a point. It turned out not to matter, as Wonjongkam took the decision and probably sealed his eventual election to the International Boxing Hall of Fame.
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Strawweight
Oleydong Sithsamerchai W12 Yasutaka Kuroki
Retains a strawweight title
Scores: 114-113, 114-112, 113-112​

[tr][td]Records: Sithsamerchai, 34-0, 12 KOs; Kuroki, 23-4-1, 15 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Sithsamerchai, 24, of Thailand, had a tough time but hung on to his 105-pound title in his fifth defense. Kuroki, of Japan, was the aggressor against the more defensive-minded Sithsamerchai, who had opened a lead by banking early rounds. But from the eighth round on, Kuroki came on very strong. Sithsamerchai was docked a point for clinching in the 10th round and went down in the 11th when Kuroki caught him with a combination. Kuroki also was buzzed by the titleholder in the 12th round with a left hand. Kuroki, 28, saw his 18-fight unbeaten streak (17-0-1) come to an end.
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Friday at East London, South Africa​

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Strawweight
Nkosinathi Joyi W12 Raul Garcia
Wins a strawweight title
Scores: 119-109 (twice), 118-110​

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Rafael's remark: Joyi, the mandatory challenger, earned the title shot when he outpointed former titleholder Florante Condes (who had lost the title to Garcia) in a June eliminator. South African promoter Branco Milenkovic, who handles countryman Joyi, won the purse bid, giving him the right to stage the bout in his country. So Joyi was comfortable at home, a move that turned out to be worth Milenkovic's money, as Joyi dominated Mexico's Garcia, 27, en route to the title victory.

Garcia, making his ill-fated fifth title defense, was fighting outside Mexico for the first time. After the licking he took, he may not to want to leave his country again. Joyi's speed and punching power had Garcia on his heels and in trouble from the outset. According to South African media reports, Joyi rocked Garcia in the second round and inflicted a cut over his right eye in the fifth round while cruising to the lopsided victory.








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Friday at Dagenham, England​

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Welterweight
Matthew Hatton W12 Gianluca Branco
Wins vacant European welterweight title
Scores: 117-111, 116-112, 115-113​

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Rafael's remark: In easily the most notable victory of his career and in one of his best performances, Hatton, the 28-year-old younger brother of former junior welterweight champ Ricky Hatton, captured the European 147-pound title with a solid victory over Branco, 39.





The Italian saw his seven-fight winning streak come to an end. He hadn't lost since Miguel Cotto stopped him in the eighth-round of a junior welterweight title defense in 2006. His only other career defeat was a 2004 decision to the late Arturo Gatti. Hatton did a nice job outboxing the slower, older Branco, the former European junior welterweight champion. Hatton is a usually a straight-ahead brawler, but he found some technique and put it to good use against Branco. Hatton fought a disciplined fight, bruised Branco's right eye, jabbed well and touched him enough to pile up points for the clear victory.




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Thursday at Los Angeles ​

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Junior featherweight
Abner Mares KO5 Felipe Almanza
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Rafael's remark: Anyone who is a Mares supporter can now exhale. He's through to his bantamweight title shot after disposing of Almanza in easy fashion and coming out of the bout without any injuries or cuts. Mares, a 2004 Mexican Olympian living in the Los Angeles area, and his team took a risk by taking a tune-up fight, but it felt he needed some rounds before facing the very tough Yonnhy Perez for a 118-pound title, a bout that will be on Showtime as the televised undercard for the fourth fight between Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez.





Mares, 24, hadn't fought since August, but he headlined on Golden Boy's "Fight Night Club." He worked over Almanza all night until the Colombian just fell apart in the fifth after taking a series of shots from Mares, including a nasty right uppercut to the chin with 37 seconds left in the round. Almanza, 34, slumped to his knees, and referee Raul Caiz immediately called it off as Almanza's corner was also signaling for the end of the fight.
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[scott frost]

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

El Terrible

The Gift and The Curse.

These fighters just don't know when to retire.

 When the money goes, they only know of 1 place to get that check.

 

[ap27]

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

El Terrible

I read last week he was callin out Pacquiao too

, I guess it's hard to give up what you've been doing for your whole life. Some people let their careers define them and when it's over there's nothing to hold on to.

Speaking of which, B-Hop vs. Roy this weekend. Anyone see anything besides B-Hop 12 rd unanimous decision?

 

[gunna get it]

real *%!+, u couldnt pay me 20 bucks to watch Jones vs Hopkins

 

[bigmike23]

Once they put that crap on ppv it made it easy for me not to watch it

 

[dako akong otin]

for those who missed Dirrell vs Abraham.  Its not in english though


there's 6 parts to it.

 

[sir rob a lot]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Once they put that crap on ppv it made it easy for me not to watch it

Word.  I know they're all about $$$.  But IMO, it would've done a lot for the sport if they put on Versus. 

I don't know any true boxing fan that is excited or plans or buying this fight.

Nonetheless, I have B-Hop stopping RJJ. 

 

[japanair21]

Wow I just watched the Abraham fight, I can't believe Arthur was trying to defend himself.

He caught dude dirty, I even wanted Arthur to win, but you did him dirty.

Hopefully this won't ruin his career, any word on how Andre is doing?

 

[dako akong otin]

RJJ training.  While he's fast compared to the common man...  he looks old and sluggish compared to older footage of him training. 
still though, he looks better than Abraham's mittwork

 

[petozham]

Originally Posted by Proshares

You must not watch much boxing because people get knocked out all the time and move their hands and legs and have their eyes open.  If you get KO'ed like that, your eyes don't roll in the back of your head unless you're mightily struggling to breathe or having some sort of seizure reaction to getting hit.  You're a %+%%$%* moron for that ridiculous argument and reasons behind it.  I'd like to see you down on one knee and take a punch from the best puncher at 168 and see how much acting you do.  With your reasoning, everyone who gets knocked out and their eyes don't roll in the back of their head or if they move at all, they are faking it.  Solid, SOLID post by you.

I watch a ton of boxing and MMA and I have seen countless KO's from both sports alike and I've never seen such putridity like this. The more I watch the replays, the more evident it becomes. That is no way a KO'd person acts, it looked incredibly deliberate.

You'd like to see me take a punch from a AA while on one knee? Really? As if I'm some professional athlete with years of experience, top bill fitness, and world class training. This train of logic obviously shows you're no where near anyone to be taken serious.

With YOUR reasoning, seems as if anyone who gets hit in the face gets KO'd cause apparently there's no difference or specific reactions getting KO'd has, such as buckling of legs, or body control loss.

This article pretty much sums it up

But in the 11th round, Dirrell, 19-1 (13)KO, appeared to slip to the floor on the wet ring canvas. As he did Abraham lightly clipped him with a right hand to the head. Dirrell seemed to have his wits about him, even raised his hand to his head in shock, made a face - and then simply fell over to the floor in mock pain and agony.

Texas referee Laurence Cole went for the bait - hook, line and sinker and he immediately disqualified Abraham for the late hit.
Dirrell, who to me seems a bit light on guts, had found his way out of a fight he was winning handily and is thus able to continue on, albeit indecisively, in the Showtime network's Super Six World Boxing Classic 168-pound tournament.    
I am not one to ever unjustly doubt an athlete and the pain they say they're in, ESPECIALLY not fighters, I never question their honor... However that performance was horrid, and you sound extremely naive or biased, so I feel it's pointless even interacting with you on any level. Either way, next time save your petty insults and elitist attitude for some one with "solid" posts.

 

[scott frost]

I see Roy hitting the canvas, again. I mean his defensive style worked when he was alot younger, quicker & sharper. He was able to drop his hands and kepp them low, now it completely works against him. He's too slow & old to avoid those punches and with with his hands down by his waist, there is nothing there protecting him. Can't teach an old dog new tricks at this point, so he goes with what he knows.

 

[proshares]

With YOUR reasoning, seems as if anyone who gets hit in the face gets KO'd cause apparently there's no difference or specific reactions getting KO'd has, such as buckling of legs, or body control loss.

I wasn't saying it as if specific reactions don't happen but it's not going to happen eveytime.

As he did Abraham lightly clipped him with a right hand to the head.

Just that one line from the article already makes it sound extremely biased.  Just about every article I've read says the contrary.  Punch hit him square.  Didn't mean to sound elitist or be insulting, just rubbed me the wrong way saying he faked it.  That was a scary moment in the ring.  I'm a big Dirrell fan biased or not I doubt he was faking and it was a scumbag move by Abraham and his camp is no better.  If the places are switched, a riot would have started in that ring.

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[h3]Harris fuming because Matthysse won't give him rematchhttp://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/bl.../5038141/harris-fuming-matthysse-give-rematch[/h3]
March, 29, 2010
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Former junior welterweight titlist Vivian Harris, who suffered a fourth-round TKO loss to Argentina's Lucas Matthysse on Feb. 20 in Mexico after referee Gelasio Perez Huerta stopped the competitive fight for no particular reason and with no meaningful shot landing, is upset that Matthysse won't accept the rematch that their promoter, Golden Boy, had hoped to make.





Not long after the fight, I spoke to Golden Boy's Oscar De La Hoya, who was at the fight. He agreed that it was one of the poorest stoppages he had ever seen and hoped to make a rematch.

I detailed the highly controversial stoppage in a Feb. 23 blog, and thought that Golden Boy would be able to get an immediate rematch done, perhaps adding it to one of its spring or summer pay-per-view undercards.





However, it is apparent that at this point a rematch is not in the cards, which has Harris fuming.





"He's a coward; plain and simple," Harris said of Matthysse. "Why else would he and his team not want to fight me? They saw that his eye was rapidly closing and that there was a lot more fight left. They know it's a risky fight and they probably just want to go back to fighting nobodies in Argentina.





"They have padded his record from the start of his career. He and I both know that the stoppage was bulls---. Everyone who saw that fight knows I didn't lose that fight on fair terms. I want the chance to set the record straight. It's a shame he's a gutless coward. I was looking forward to rearranging his face for a second time."





The Matthysse camp, of course, takes a very different view of the situation.





When I spoke to Sampson Lewkowicz, Matthysse's adviser, and brought up the comments made by Harris, he took exception. Lewkowicz noted that Harris refused to give another one of his clients, Noe Bolanos, a rematch after their second-round no contest last summer.





That "Friday Night Fights" main event ended after Harris suffered a bad head butt and couldn't continue (but, if you ask me, wasn't exactly the kind of fight that merited a sequel).

"Many say [Harris] quit in that fight," Lewkowicz said. "Let him have this fight with Bolanos first and then we can talk about Matthysse again. Harris brings absolutely nothing to the table for Matthysse. He beat him once. Besides, nobody will buy this fight, not HBO or Showtime. If they can get somebody to buy the rematch and it makes sense, we can do it. It's a business decision."

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[petozham]

Originally Posted by Proshares

With YOUR reasoning, seems as if anyone who gets hit in the face gets KO'd cause apparently there's no difference or specific reactions getting KO'd has, such as buckling of legs, or body control loss.

I wasn't saying it as if specific reactions don't happen but it's not going to happen eveytime.

As he did Abraham lightly clipped him with a right hand to the head.

Just that one line from the article already makes it sound extremely biased.  Just about every article I've read says the contrary.  Punch hit him square.  Didn't mean to sound elitist or be insulting, just rubbed me the wrong way saying he faked it.  That was a scary moment in the ring.  I'm a big Dirrell fan biased or not I doubt he was faking and it was a scumbag move by Abraham and his camp is no better.  If the places are switched, a riot would have started in that ring.

You have to admit, that wasn't exactly Arthur's most powerful hit, the shot had no weight on it. However, I'm not gonna argue that, that hit couldn't of knocked him out, because it very well could have(especially on the floor, defenseless, and not expecting it)...What I'm saying is it didn't. It was too convenient and the most ensuring way to come out of a victory. That delay is just way too suspect...I mean some times delays happen, but when you get KO'd bad enough to start convulsing, you convulse immediately. NO ONE could ever have a delayed reaction on that because you'd have to get hit so hard on the temple(which btw he got hit straight on the chin) to cause convulsions. Those are one of the things where when it happens, there is no doubt about em.

 

[scott frost]

Haye/Ruiz on TV? Even though he is a "local" fighter, I hate the Quiet Man. I used to drink beers w/his old trainer Stoney.

Looks like Lara is fighting Friday night on Showtime as well.

 

[proshares]

Stoney always seemed like a cool dude from some interviews I had seen with him.

I think Lara is the headliner. No TV for Ruiz/Haye listed. They got like 8 fights on that card and it'll be during the day our time so should be plenty of links. Supposed to hit the 80s this weekend, heading to AC this weekend so probably miss that fight.

Anybody heading down for Pavlik/Martinez?

 

[scott frost]

He's actually a douche, typical Masshole type dude, but a cool dude to drink beers with for the most part.

I am going to hit up my buddy who I usually go to fights in AC with and see what he feels like doing. I think the fight is going to be awesome and Pavlik draws an interesting crowd to AC, so they make the fight enjoyable as well.

 

[jagshemash]

Originally Posted by petozham

You have to admit, that wasn't exactly Arthur's most powerful hit, the shot had no weight on it. However, I'm not gonna argue that, that hit couldn't of knocked him out, because it very well could have(especially on the floor, defenseless, and not expecting it)...What I'm saying is it didn't. It was too convenient and the most ensuring way to come out of a victory. That delay is just way too suspect...I mean some times delays happen, but when you get KO'd bad enough to start convulsing, you convulse immediately. NO ONE could ever have a delayed reaction on that because you'd have to get hit so hard on the temple(which btw he got hit straight on the chin) to cause convulsions. Those are one of the things where when it happens, there is no doubt about em.

It's not always about how hard the punch landed.  In this case he caught with a punch he didn't see coming and he had his upper body stabilized with one arm on the ground and the punch landed on his chin caused his neck to snap, which is why chin punches often causes KO's.  What happens is when the neck turns rapidly it causes the brain to shift and bump up against the skull causing trauma.  Just like last week when Klitschko KO'ed Chambers - it wasn't even a huge punch but landed on the chin causes his head to snap.  I really don't know if he was faking it or not but I got to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Whatever the case, I think the punch did enough damage that it really wouldn't even have been fair for the fight to continue. 

On a side note, man that sweet seeing what Dirrell did to Abraham though the last 2 rounds could have been interesting.

 

[gunna get it]

Gary Shaw Comments on Andre Dirrell
Posted by Ramon Aranda on 04.01.2010

The latest on "The Matrix".

Nearly a week after Andre Dirrell took home a DQ win over Arthur Abraham, punctuated by an illegal blow to the head, Gary Shaw has informed Fightnews that Dirrell did in fact suffer a concussion from the punch.

"His thoughts were very scrambled. He went from yelling to everyone over at Showtime, ‘who called me a coward' to yelling ‘they knocked me out' to ‘where's the fight? I want to fight,'" said Shaw.

Shaw also mentioned that the Michigan State Athletic Commission should have taken precautions after the fight but given the lack of big fights in the area, they were likely confused.

Finally, Shaw stated that Dirrell will make a full recovery and be ready to go against Andre Ward when they meet in Group Stage 3 of the Super Six World Boxing Classic.