2010 Official Boxing Thread: Soto/Antillon, 2010 Fight of the Year.

A class in master craftsmanship JMM just how to do everything the accuracy , punch selection and my lord the combination's are the best in the world pure beauty . Katsidis fought his heart out though so you have to give him a hand for effort .

Great win for Litzau whoever bet on him got PAID with that being said Cel Cab is garbage and would get washed by Gamboa, JuanMa and Rafa .

Froch did what he wanted to Abraham , Abraham looked lost out there straight walking punching bag

Rough and tumble fight for Ward he stuck in there and fought he should have thrown more combinations though

Berto ehh it as expected ill pay attention when he fight somebody worth watching .
 
ward is always going to make a fight harder then it has to be. he wants to sit there a brawl when he can box and win it easy. jay is right tho dude is DIRTY
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reminds me alot of holyfield


JMM
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 but after awhile these wars going to catch up to him
 
JMM put on a show... hes definitely nasty at that weight class... hopefully he can fight pacquiao again but in a good catchweight for both
 
That broad of Froch's is MAD annoying.

She's fly, but goddamn she got a mouth.

Boring, easy for for Froch.

Ward was in for a rough night, but damn he roughed it up! Good for the Oakland boy.
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Originally Posted by mextra45

A class in master craftsmanship JMM just how to do everything the accuracy , punch selection and my lord the combination's are the best in the world pure beauty . Katsidis fought his heart out though so you have to give him a hand for effort .

Great win for Litzau whoever bet on him got PAID with that being said Cel Cab is garbage and would get washed by Gamboa, JuanMa and Rafa .

Froch did what he wanted to Abraham , Abraham looked lost out there straight walking punching bag

Rough and tumble fight for Ward he stuck in there and fought he should have thrown more combinations though

Berto ehh it as expected ill pay attention when he fight somebody worth watching .
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OMG, I know.  I put money on a Marquez KO and almost put some on Litzau as well at +1000 but every time I make these tempting side bets it dwindles my main bet down to almost nothing so I passed.  I've just never been that impressed Caballero and I knew Litzau would be a tougher opponent then people were giving him credit for. 
 
Also wanted to say that JMM is the man! 

Impressive KO from Berto, too.  I know people didn't view Hernandez as a credible opponent, and I'm not trying to say he's a top tier guy, but he's a descent fighter who had never been KO'ed and Berto demolished him in the 1st round. 
 
I thought Berto came in and did what he had to do against Hernandez. The speed is still very much there. Caballero just disappointed the hell out of me. I was high on dude at 122, thought he could put up with Gamboa and JML. He's lost that chance now. Let Gamboa get John if he wins next month. What else can you say about JMM that hasn't been said already?
 
I never worry about Berto's Offense. its his chin and Defense.

until thats tested, Im not sold. he's been coddled for a VERY VERY long time now, there has to be something to it
 
Rumor going around that Abraham told a German TV station that he was going to drop out of the Super Six after the fight. Needs to go back to 160.
 
Pacquiao, who has discussed retiring in three years, said at a news conference Monday in Manila that he's willing to fight Marquez again but that the match would probably not excite fans. He sounded doubtful himself, saying "I would not watch Pacquiao vs. Marquez."
 
how in the world can he say that no one would watch pac/jmm??? the best 135 lb vs the best 140 lber... cmon mannn
 
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Saturday at Las Vegas​
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Lightweight
Juan Manuel Marquez TKO9 Michael Katsidis
Retains world lightweight title​
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Rafael's remark: When the fight was made the expectations were high for a terrific action fight. Well, we got one, although it probably fell a tad shy of the fight of the year. Regardless, it was an outstanding action fight and Marquez is a marvel at 37, an age at which most lighter-weight fighters are either retired or way past their primes. But Marquez is still going strong. The three-division champion from Mexico embellished his Hall of Fame credentials with yet another strong performance against an opponent who has as big a heart as there is in boxing.





They went at each other at a tremendous pace from the first bell and it never let up as the 4,920 in attendance at the MGM Grand got their money's worth. Marquez seemed to be in control until the third round, when Katsidis, one of the great action fighters of our time, leveled him with a flush left hook. Marquez went down to his back and was hurt, but he survived. This is nothing new. He has been knocked down several times, but always has bounced back. He did it again against Katsidis, 30, of Australia. They were dishing out punishment and their faces showed the wear. But Marquez, one of the best combination punchers in the business, was brutally accurate with his shots as he began to bust Katsidis up. In the ninth round, Marquez, making the third defense of the lineal 135-pound title, landed flush right uppercut that shook Katsidis. It was the beginning of the end. Marquez was all over him and throwing bombs. Katsidis was wobbly and coming apart, and although he was still on his feet, referee Kenny Bayless jumped in to stop the fight at 2 minutes, 14 seconds.





Knowing what a warrior Katsidis is, the stoppage seemed a little bit premature. Katsidis has made a career out of overcoming adversity and he deserved a chance to see if he could do it again. He was fighting on raw emotion, given that he was still in mourning the death of his brother Stathi Katsidis, whom Katsidis called his best friend, just 40 days before the fight. Although Katsidis was down on all three scorecards -- 78-74, 77-74 and 76-75 -- he was not out of the fight. Although Marquez was dropped and ate a lot of punches, he also landed a lot. For the fight, Marquez landed 327 of 628 punches (52 percent) while Katsidis connected on 194 of 630 (31 percent).





The fight was something of an audition for Marquez to get the fight he has coveted for the past two years -- a third fight with pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao. They drew in a highly debatable 2004 featherweight championship fight. In 2008, Pacquiao took a split decision by one point for the junior lightweight title. Legions believe Marquez won both fights. Pacquiao has since moved up in weight multiple times, but Marquez gave him more trouble than anyone has in years and also ranks high on the pound-for-pound list. If Floyd Mayweather Jr. continues to avoid Pacquiao, or is unavailable because of his legal problems, Marquez is the right opponent for him to face in the spring. He means more than Andre Berto or Shane Mosley, the two others under consideration by Top Rank promoter Bob Arum. Marquez probably brings the most business, the most excitement and there is unfinished business between the two. There is, of course, the issue of Top Rank doing business with Golden Boy, Marquez's promoter. But Golden Boy seems willing to step aside and take a buyout on the fight to make it happen. If there's no Mayweather fight, Pacquiao-Marquez III is what is best for boxing, even if Marquez will be a big underdog, especially if Pacquiao makes him come all the way up to welterweight. Ideally, if they fight, it would be at a weight no more than 142 or 143 pounds.




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Welterweight
Andre Berto TKO1 Freddy Hernandez
Retains a welterweight title​
[tr][td]Records: Berto, 27-0, 21 KOs; Hernandez, 29-2, 20 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Berto, coddled for the past four years by HBO and manager Al Haymon with a series of overpriced and basically meaningless fights, racked up another irrelevant victory against an opponent that meant nothing. Nice work if you can get it. Can't blame Berto for taking the $910,000 he made for his 2 minutes, 7 seconds of work if HBO wants to waste the cash. Meanwhile, you can tell how much of a mismatch this was because Hernandez earned just $75,000. When the opponent makes less than 10 percent of the total purse you know it is not supposed to be a competitive fight. Berto, way faster and more polished, blew Hernandez away. He landed a right hand followed by a left hook on the button that sent Mexico's Hernandez to the mat. Although Hernandez, 33, made it to his feet, he was shaky and referee Russell Mora called it off as Berto, 27, of Winter Haven, Fla., retained his paper title for the fifth time. Berto seems to want to test himself against better opponents, but he needs to tell his people to get him a fight of consequence if he wants to become more than the poster child for HBO's wasteful spending. Berto has been mentioned as a possible opponent for Manny Pacquiao in his next fight if Floyd Mayweather Jr. refuses to take the fight or is unavailable because of his legal difficulties. While Berto is young and fast and can punch, he has not done anything to seriously warrant a shot at the best fighter in the world and it seems unlikely he will get the call. Berto clearly wants the opportunity, saying afterward, regarding his soft opposition: "I have had all the appetizers, now I'm ready for the main course," he said. "[Shane] Mosley, [Miguel] Cotto or definitely Pacquiao. I'm the best available fight out there for Pacquiao."
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Junior lightweight
Jason Litzau W10 Celestino Caballero
Scores: 97-93, 96-94 Litzau, 96-94 Caballero​
[tr][td]Records: Litzau, 28-2, 21 KOs; Caballero, 34-3, 23 KOs
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Rafael's remark: Good for Litzau pulling the major upset. Listed as a 13-to-1 underdog, Litzau took it to the undertrained and apparently disinterested Caballero and got the split decision he deserved in a close fight. It is by far the biggest win in Litzau's career. Whatever you think of his ability, Litzau, 27, of St. Paul, Minn., is a fighter who likes to mix it up and please the crowd. He did that again in winning his fifth fight in a row. He didn't seem to care that many viewed Panama's Caballero, 34, as a top 20 pound-for-pound fighter. Instead, he took it to Caballero, who had won 15 fights in a row since a 1994 loss to Ricardo Cordoba. He cut Caballero over the left eye and was busy and energetic throughout the fight. Caballero, meanwhile, backed up, had little zip on his arm punches and just looked terrible. So much for the hype of Caballero being feared and deserving a big fight with the likes of featherweight titleholders Juan Manuel Lopez or Yuriorkis Gamboa. Those chances probably went down the drain with this amateurish, lackluster outing. Caballero, a former unified titlist a junior featherweight, had moved up to featherweight in search of a big fight. When he couldn't lure one of the bigger names into the ring, he moved up to junior lightweight to fight Litzau with the plan to return to featherweight after his presumed victory. But Caballero, clearly looking past Litzau, weighed in at 131½ pounds on Friday and needed more than an hour to make the 130-pound contract weight. And on fight night, he had rehydrated to an astonishing 145 pounds, which says he probably did not take training seriously. So he got what he deserved, as did Litzau, a crowd pleasing fighter who should be considered for any kind of notable fight in his weight class.
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Walter Estrada W8 Nate Campbell
Scores: 77-74 (twice) Estrada, 76-75 Campbell​
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Rafael's remark: At 38, it appears to be over for Campbell, the former unified lightweight titleholder who has fought numerous top opponents. He won some and he lost some, but he usually made good fights. Campbell's problems began in August 2009 when Timothy Bradley Jr. smacked him around for two-plus rounds before the fight was ruled a no contest after Campbell suffered a bad cut over his left eye. Then came his a lopsided decision loss to contender Victor Ortiz in May, after which Campbell, of Jacksonville, Fla., said a nerve problem in his leg prevented him from moving like usual. But losing to Ortiz is one thing. Losing to 35-year-old journeyman Estrada, a native Colombia living in Miami, is a different story. This fight was supposed to be quick and easy work for Campbell. Instead, Estrada won his third fight in a row (following a 1-8-1 stretch) outhustled and outpunched Campbell for the victory. Even Campbell's adviser, Terry Trekas, said Estrada deserved a unanimous decision and proclaimed Campbell "done." Trekas said Campbell should retire. At this point, Campbell could probably keep fighting but would become nothing more than a good name on a young guy's resume. Does he want to be reduced to that? Hopefully not.





Also on the card, junior middleweight prospect Erislandy Lara (14-0, 9 KOs), the former Cuban star amateur and 2005 world amateur champion, dropped St. Louis' Tim Connors (10-2, 7 KOs) twice and got the TKO 1 minute, 38 seconds of the first round. Lara had a huge amateur career and has moved quickly as a pro. He figures to be in line for some kind of title shot or major fight in 2011. In other undercard fights, Largo, Fla., junior middleweight prospect Keith Thurman (15-0, 14 KOs), 22, stopped Mexico's Favio Medina (23-3-3, 8 KOs) at 2 minutes, 34 seconds of the fourth round and middleweight Bastie Samir (7-0, 7 KOs), 24, a 2008 Olympian for Ghana now living in Las Vegas, scored a second-round knockout of Billy Cunningham (4-8, 4 KOs) of Jackson, Miss.
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Super middleweight
Andre Ward W12 Sakio Bika
Retains a super middleweight title
Scores: 120-108, 118-110 (twice)​
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Rafael's remark: As we all know, Ward, the 2004 U.S. Olympic gold medalist, was supposed to face Olympic teammate Andre Dirrell in Group Stage 3 of Showtime's Super Six World Boxing Classic. But after multiple delays, the fight (which was never officially set) was canceled when Dirrell pulled out of the tournament claiming a neurological issue. Many doubt the legitimacy of his injury, especially after a very strange interview on Showtime's "Fight Camp 360" series. But Ward is a pro's pro and when Bika, 31, the 2007 winner of "The Contender" reality series, was brought in as the replacement, he didn't blink.





Although the bout was deemed outside of the tournament and had no bearing on the semifinals, which Ward had already advanced to, Ward had no intention of losing his title. He got himself in great shape once again and that's a good thing, because Bika, also in tremendous condition, is a rough, tough dude. Even when he loses, you know you've been in a dogfight. That's exactly what this was. Despite the lopsided scores (and the 120-108 scorecard rendered by Marty Sammon was a joke), this was a serious fight. Bika, a native of Cameroon based in Australia, pushed Ward very hard and made it a grinding, physical battle in which both men sometimes resorted to dirty tactics such as elbows and head butts. Ward has developed into an all-around fighter who can win in a variety of ways. Against Bika, he ground it out and displayed a strong point-scoring jab. But Ward can also win by boxing, by pressuring his opponent or by counter punching. Quite simply, there is no real weakness in Ward's game right now and he seems to be getting better.





Ward, 26, fighting in his hometown, had dominated his first two tournament opponents, Mikkel Kessler to win the title on an upset last November and Allan Green in June. He had a tougher time with Bika. However, despite cuts over both eyes (one from a head butt in the second round and one from a punch in the sixth), Ward did what he had to do to win. He beat Bika at his own rough and tumble style.





Bika didn't dispute the result, but he had to be disappointed after coming up short in his third title shot. He fought to an aborted four-round technical draw with Markus Beyer in Germany in 2006 and then lost a decision in a title bout to Joe Calzaghe in England later that year. Despite the loss, Bika would be a formidable opponent for any of the top 168-pounders. Ward, the top seed with six points, moves on to the semifinals sometime in early 2011 to face fourth-seeded Arthur Abraham. Ward will be a huge favorite to advance to the final to fight the winner of the semifinal between titleholder and second-seeded Carl Froch and Glen Johnson, the third seed.




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Super Six World Boxing Classic, Group Stage 3​
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Super middleweight
Carl Froch W12 Arthur Abraham
Wins a super middleweight title
Scores: 117-111 (three times)​
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Rafael's remark: In April, England's Froch, 33, suffered his first career loss, a decision to Mikkel Kessler in Group Stage 2 of Showtime's Super Six tournament. It was a terrific fight, but the loss cost Froch his title. But in August, just before Group Stage 3 was to begin, Kessler withdrew from the six-man modified round-robin tournament and was stripped by the disgusting WBC because of the injury. That put Froch in position to face Abraham, also coming off a loss, for the now-vacant belt in the final bout of Group Stage 3. Since Froch and Abraham, 30, of Germany, both had already advanced to the semifinals, they were fighting for the belt as well as seeding in the semis. Going in, Froch-Abraham figured to be a highly competitive, action-packed fight. Instead, it turned into a Froch blowout. He utterly dominated Abraham, who is a notoriously slow starter. But in this fight -- fought on neutral territory after much debate between the sides -- Abraham never got going. All the while, Froch stung him with hard jabs, combinations, right hands and uppercuts. He regularly split Abraham's high guard and beat him up. Abraham could do little more than follow Froch around as he turned in a masterpiece of boxing and punching. In the most complete performance of his career, Froch controlled virtually every moment of the fight and kept Abraham in the middle of the ring. Other than a couple of offensive spurts from Abraham, he did nothing, and now he's lost two in a row. After starting the Super Six in thunderous fashion, knocking out Jermain Taylor in the 12th round, Abraham was dominated and ultimately lost by 11th-round disqualification to Andre Dirrell followed by this disaster. Froch, who beat Dirrell on a split decision in the first round of the tournament, secured the second seed in the tournament with four points with the victory over Abraham. Froch is due to face third-seeded Glen Johnson in the semifinals in the first part of 2011. Abraham and Johnson both have three points, but Johnson won the tiebreaker on rounds won. So Abraham wound up with the fourth seed and faces Andre Ward in the semifinals, which are due to take place in the United States. Kessler began the tournament as the favorite with Abraham just behind him. Now Kessler is out (and lost to Ward in lopsided fashion in Group Stage 1) and Abraham has looked horrible in his past two fights. And Froch clawed his way back to the second seed. Guess that's why they fight the fights.






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Saturday at Tijuana​
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Flyweight
Giovani Segura TKO8 Manuel Vargas
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Rafael's remark: In August, Segura unified junior flyweight belts and claimed the 108-pound lineage with an eighth-round knockout of longtime champion Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon in a leading fight of the year candidate. Segura, one of boxing's most exciting fighters, is supposed to fight Calderon again in April, but he doesn't want to fight him at 108 pounds, so it remains to be seen if the rematch will happen at 112. Segura moved up to flyweight for this bout and has already given up one of his alphabet belts. But even at flyweight, where he faced Mexican countryman Vargas, Segura is still very strong. Like most Segura fights, this one, the main event of "Top Rank Live," was action packed as they traded shots early and often. But Segura, the bigger, stronger and better man, busted Vargas up. Segura doesn't do anything fancy other than come right at his opponents, but he throws so many punches and is so heavy-handed that he's a handful for anyone. Vargas had multiple cuts and a face spattered with blood when the fight was stopped 10 seconds into the eighth round on advice of the ringside doctor. Can't argue with the stoppage. Segura, 28, went 4-0 in 2010 with four knockouts and while he won't be the fighter of the year, he made a strong case to at least be among the honorable mentions. Vargas, 29, dropped his second straight, having previously lost a junior flyweight interim title bout to Ramon Garcia in September. Vargas also losses in the past 14 months to bantamweight star Nonito Donaire and Donnie Nietes in a strawweight title bout.
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Lightweight
Miguel Vazquez W12 Ricardo Dominguez
Retains a lightweight title
Scores: 120-108, 119-109, 118-110​
[tr][td]Records: Vazquez, 27-3, 12 KOs; Dominguez, 32-7-2, 20 KOs
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Rafael's remark: The 23-year-old Vazquez flies a bit beneath the radar in a lightweight division with several bigger names, but that hasn't stopped him from putting together a nice string of wins. His breakout victory came on ESPN2 in July 2009 when he outpointed Breidis Prescott (the Amir Khan conqueror). Then Vazquez took a dominant decision against Ji Hoon Kim in August to win a vacant title and followed with this dominant decision against Mexican countryman Dominguez in his first defense. Vazquez controlled the fight from the outset against Dominguez, 25, who has usually lost when he has stepped up in competition. In 2008, Zahir Raheem blew him out in one round and Brandon Rios outpointed him. In May, Humberto Soto pitched a near-shutout to retain his version of the 135-pound title against him. Dominguez bounced back for an easy win in September before getting the shot at Vazquez. Although Dominguez was aggressive throughout the fight, he was not very effective. Vazquez swelled his face, cut him up and generally dished out a pounding. Vazquez won his fifth in a row since losing a decision at welterweight to rising star Saul Alvarez, who also defeated Vazquez in his pro debut. Other than the two losses to Alvarez, Vazquez's only other defeat came at junior welterweight to future titleholder Timothy Bradley Jr. in 2007.




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Friday at Nagoya, Japan​
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Featherweight
Hozumi Hasegawa W12 Juan Carlos Burgos
Wins a vacant featherweight title
Scores: 117-110 (twice), 116-111​
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Rafael's remark: In 2005, Japan's Hasegawa, 29, won a bantamweight title, defended it 10 times against several good opponents and began creeping up the pound-for-pound list. But in April, he met Fernando Montiel in a unification fight in Tokyo and was stunningly stopped in the fourth round of a fight he had been winning. Making his return, Hasegawa moved up two weight classes and faced Burgos, 22, of Mexico, in a mandatory title bout. They are both excellent fighters, but the title should not have been vacant. However, the miserable WBC unceremoniously stripped titlist Elio Rojas a few months ago because he is out with a shoulder injury.





The bogus title aside, Hasegawa, a quick southpaw, and Burgos battled tooth and nail in an excellent fight in which both men had their moments. Because Japanese officials embrace the WBC's wretched open scoring system it was no secret that Hasegawa was up 40-36 and 39-37 (twice) after the fourth round. But Burgos rallied and staggered Hasegawa with a left uppercut in the seventh round, just one of several rounds that featured tons of clean punching and back and forth action. In the eighth, an accidental head butt opened a cut over Hasegawa's right eye, so another awful WBC rule came into play -- the one in which the uncut fighter after an accidental head clash is docked a point. So at the end of the eighth, when the scores were revealed again, Hasegawa led 78-73 (twice) and 77-74, although Burgos was certainly still in the fight. Burgos, who had a swollen right eye, pressured Hasegawa over the final four rounds and had him in a bit of trouble, but Hasegawa hung on for the victory. Hasegawa, fighting two months after his mother died from cancer, is obligated to face mandatory challenger Jhonny Gonzalez in his first defense. Would love to see Hasegawa somewhere on American television. He's perhaps the best Japanese fighter of the past decade.








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Junior lightweight
Takahiro Ao W12 Vitali Tajbert
Wins a junior lightweight title
Scores: 117-112, 116-110, 115-112.​
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Rafael's remark: Ao, 26, of Japan, held a featherweight belt for seven months in 2009 before losing it via unanimous decision to Elio Rojas. Following the defeat, Ao, a southpaw, moved up to junior lightweight and won two fights in a row to set himself up for the shot against Tajbert, 28, a resident of Germany born in Kazakhstan. Other than one fight in Austria, Tajbert had fought all of his matches in Germany before agreeing to travel to Japan for his second title defense. The road trip did not work out. Ao dropped the 2004 Olympic bronze medalist in the third round with a straight left hand and was aggressive throughout the fight. Ao opened cuts over Tajbert's left eye in the sixth and eighth rounds and took the well-deserved decision in the finest performance of his career. Since this fight was for a WBC belt and the organization's hideous open scoring system is embraced in Japan, Ao knew he was ahead 39-36, 39-35 and 38-37 after the fourth round and 78-74, 78-72 and 77-74 after the eighth round.


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Friday at Bolton, England​
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Junior welterweight
Matthew Hatton KO3 Roberto Belge
Retains European welterweight title​
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Rafael's remark: Hatton has always been in the shadow of his older brother, former junior welterweight champ Ricky Hatton, but is trying to escape now that Ricky is retired (at least for now). Hatton has already gotten more out of his ability than most thought he would by winning the European title, and now he's made two defenses after knocking out Belge. Hatton, 29, won the belt in March and extended his unbeaten run to nine fights (8-0-1). Hatton had little problem with Switzerland's Belge, 31, who had never faced anyone resembling a serious opponent. In the third round, Hatton unloaded a terrific left hook to the body. Belge dropped to his knees, spit out his mouthpiece and took the count as he fell all the way to the canvas and rolled over onto his back. Hatton would like a shot at a world title and perhaps could eventually face titlist Vyacheslav Senchenko. But sitting ringside was Hatton's British countryman Junior Witter, the former junior welterweight titleholder. There's been talk about that fight, which would be a pretty big deal in England. Ricky Hatton never fought Witter when he was still a top 140-pounder. Maybe the brother will face Witter, albeit past his prime.
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Originally Posted by Demps

you can clearly tell they are scared of JMM

  
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For some reason I just think that PAC would kill Marquez at 140 inside of 5 rounds. Pacquiao has elevated his game to a whole new level. IMO. Oh and btw, Marquez is one of my favorite fighters of all time.
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

Rumor going around that Abraham told a German TV station that he was going to drop out of the Super Six after the fight. Needs to go back to 160.
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Good. He looked absolutely pitiful against Froch. Apparently Dirrell made him look equally lost in that fight too.

If he drops out, who does Ward fight next? Froch straight out?
 
Originally Posted by TCERDA

Demps wrote:
you can clearly tell they are scared of JMM

  
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For some reason I just think that PAC would kill Marquez at 140 inside of 5 rounds. Pacquiao has elevated his game to a whole new level. IMO. Oh and btw, Marquez is one of my favorite fighters of all time.


I don't see it. Pac has been very impressive as he moved up in weight class but his opponents have been picked very well by top rank
 
Originally Posted by AG 47

Originally Posted by Proshares

Rumor going around that Abraham told a German TV station that he was going to drop out of the Super Six after the fight. Needs to go back to 160.
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Good. He looked absolutely pitiful against Froch. Apparently Dirrell made him look equally lost in that fight too.

If he drops out, who does Ward fight next? Froch straight out?
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I'd imagine he'd take an interim fight and wait for the winner of Froch/Johnson.  But I doubt he drops out.  He's not going to make the kind of money by going back down to 160 now that he would make fighting Ward stateside.  And who knows, he's still always one punch away from drastically changing a fight.
 
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Originally Posted by TCERDA

Demps wrote:
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For some reason I just think that PAC would kill Marquez at 140 inside of 5 rounds. Pacquiao has elevated his game to a whole new level. IMO. Oh and btw, Marquez is one of my favorite fighters of all time.
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I don't see it. Pac has been very impressive as he moved up in weight class but his opponents have been picked very well by top rank
Marquez got dropped by a left hand this weekend. (Yes I know Pac has dropped him before and he evened up the fights.Maybe won one or both) But Pac is a totally different now and he woulda finished Marquez. Hopefully they fight so this can be all put to rest. Im a fan of both because they provide great fights for the fans but I will root for Pacquiao even tho I want Marquez to really win in my heart. Reason being is because Mayweather wil come out sayin "yada yada yada, I beat Marquez' *#% and Poooquiao lost to him. Why should I fight him?"  Mayweather/Pacquiao needs to happen first.
 
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