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He said they aint got no where else to go (like he aint been duckingOriginally Posted by dako akong otin
totally forgot about Haye fighting. Did he call out the Klitschos after the fight?
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He said they aint got no where else to go (like he aint been duckingOriginally Posted by dako akong otin
totally forgot about Haye fighting. Did he call out the Klitschos after the fight?
ey fellas, how does a fighter balloon up after a weigh in?
by going back to eating what they normally eating and hydrating.
by going back to eating what they normally eating and hydrating.Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT
Manny wont fight Shane.
Roach wont let that happen, he already told Shane flat out no. thats really not the best of match ups for Manny.
manny gets hit ALOT.
but maybe after the Floyd/Mosley fight they feel more confident
ey fellas, how does a fighter balloon up after a weigh in?
This.....Originally Posted by Stringer Bell 32
Originally Posted by Sir Rob A Lot
I like Pac/Cotto II. Especially at the 154 limit. I remember when MAC was that dude on NT Boxing... he loses. And yall are easy to jump ship.. smh.
The Margarito loss changed him forever
Originally Posted by Ultimate Dude
Originally Posted by JapanAir21
They threw around Paul Williams name on the telecast. Good God Manny would be in a world of trouble against The Punisher. That reach would be unbearable for Manny. There wasn't too much difference between Manny and Margarito as far as reach went. That's what probably sold Manny to take this fight. The first few rounds Margarito was weary to go in with Pac. The few times Manny got in the ropes and in trouble, he got hurt, and from that point forward, Margarito had his head lowered and that was BAD NEWS for him. The size seemed to maybe be an issue for 2 rounds to start, but if Margarito is going to leave his head open like that, it becomes much easier for Pac. If Paul Williams fought Pac? He could keep Pac at bay with that reach advantage. It's not just 5-6 inches height, but the reach.
Amir Khan was an intriguing name they threw out there for Manny. I'd pay my PPV money to watch this fight. When's last time Manny fought someone who's pretty much on top of their game? Cotto had already been tarnished, as had Ricky, as had Margarito. Clottey? Eh. Oscar? That fight was a money-fight, all it was. Only reason David Diaz got a shot was because he stopped an already bum-Morales. I'd love to see an Amir Khan/Pacquiao fight, but I just don't see it.
i am under the impression that you have not watched punisher all that much. punisher often fails to utilize what is clearly a definite reach advantage and is always more than willing to mix it up close up.
amir khan has not really done much to demonstrate that he is "at the top of his game" as you put it. until he beats maidana plus a top jr welter the likes of tim bradley, devon alexander or even victor ortiz, then he has not proven much at this stage in his career.
I feel like Shane has just enough strength and speed that it could get to Manny. Floyd could weather a storm like Shane, but I don't know if Manny could.Originally Posted by JapanAir21
by going back to eating what they normally eating and hydrating.Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT
Manny wont fight Shane.
Roach wont let that happen, he already told Shane flat out no. thats really not the best of match ups for Manny.
manny gets hit ALOT.
but maybe after the Floyd/Mosley fight they feel more confident
ey fellas, how does a fighter balloon up after a weigh in?
Would an African-American boxer stand a better chance against Manny Pacquiao than his most recent competition?
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Floyd Mayweather would beat Manny Pacquiao because the styles that African-American fighters -- and I mean, black fighters from the streets or the inner cities -- would be successful.
Originally Posted by JapanAir21
Amir has done enough in my eyes to scare Manny. I don't think he has the name-power to get a big fight with Manny. Same goes for Berto.
Paul may not use his reach to his advantage as good as he should be able to, but even tonight Manny had some issues with Margarito's size at first.
Those issues would be worse with Paul, and he's much quicker than Margarito.
What a difference 11 months can make -- or even three years in Sergio Martinez's case.
Before Paul Williams and Martinez met Dec. 5, the consensus was that it was a fine fight but not what people had bargained for. Remember, Williams was supposed to challenge then-middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik in a major fight, but he withdrew about a month before the much-anticipated bout.
So on relatively short notice, junior middleweight titlist Sergio Martinez moved up in weight to face Williams at middleweight.
The rest is history.
They turned in an epic slugfest, one of the best fights of 2009. The southpaws traded knockdowns in the first round and the action never relented in what turned out to be a bloody battle fought at a tremendously high skill level. Ultimately, Williams prevailed on a majority decision that was soured only by the incomprehensible 119-110 scorecard turned in by judge Pierre Benoist, who has been ridiculed since for scoring what was an exceptionally close fight 11-1 in rounds for Williams.
From the moment Williams and Martinez left the ring that night in the ballroom upstairs at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., there was demand for a rematch.
It didn't happen right away, though, as both took interim fights. Martinez went on to unseat Pavlik to win the middleweight championship in April and Williams claimed a bizarre technical decision against Kermit Cintron in May after Cintron fell out of the ring in the fourth round and did not continue.
But finally, after a long, drawn-out negotiation, the rematch is Saturday (HBO, 10 p.m. ET), this time in the larger main arena at Boardwalk Hall.
"To the fans, all I can say, get ready for what fighting is all about," said Dan Goossen, Williams' promoter. "Once the bell rings it will be bombs away."
HBO will open its telecast by replaying Manny Pacquiao's history-making beatdown of Antonio Margarito to win a vacant junior middleweight belt, his record-extending eighth weight division title, last Saturday night at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
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So after such a memorable first fight between Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KOs) and Williams (39-1, 27 KOs), how's this one going to go?
"This one will be more brutal this time," said Williams, 29, whose team insisted on a 158-pound catch weight for the bout instead of the middleweight division limit of 160. "It will be more action and there will be more punches thrown. The same as on the first fight but 10 times more so, you know, it's going to be a good fight. But I know I'm coming out the winner, either with a knockout or a decision.
"I'm going to do what I do best and we'll put a real beating on him this time. I'm going to put that beating on him this time. Nothing personal, always business."
Williams surprised many, however, when he said he would be "real cautious" in the fight.
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Ed Mulholland/FightWireImages.comSergio Martinez, right, gave Paul Williams all he could handle for 12 rounds.
"I don't want him to be hurt bad," he said.
Martinez is also ready for another pitched battle.
"I will fight him, I will attack him and I will box him," Martinez said. "I have prepared for a war and on Saturday night, we are going to get one. The moment of truth will be on Saturday and I will prove why I am the champion. This time after the fight I expect there will be no excuses from Paul Williams like the ones I have been hearing in the past few months."
Williams and his team claim that the reason for the touch-and-go nature of the first fight was because he changed opponents on short notice. He had been preparing for Pavlik, a right-handed fighter who does not use a lot of movement in the ring. Martinez is a left-hander with good lateral movement.
"I just basically wasn't prepared for him but now I'm prepared for him," Williams said. "If everybody thought the first fight was good, that's me on, you know, a three-week notice and look at me with a three-month notice. So there's going to be much more to see."
Martinez does not buy that, saying he too had short notice to prepare for Williams, who has outrageous size for the division -- a 6-foot-1 frame and 82-inch reach.
"Paul Williams is a great fighter and a great champion, but also he's a great talker and he has excuses," Martinez said. "He had the same amount of time as I did and that's basically it. He should do more training and less talking."
For Martinez, now considered along with Williams to be one of the top five fighters in the world pound-for-pound, to be in the position of being middleweight champion and heading into a major fight is nothing short of stunning. Just a few years ago, he was virtually unknown.
Born in Argentina, Martinez played soccer and was into cycling before finding boxing and turning pro at 22. He spent the early years of his career fighting in his native country. Then he moved to Spain and spent several years fighting there and in England. Now, a late bloomer at 35, he lives and trains in Oxnard, Calif. But no matter where he was, he never stopped trying to fight his way to the top.
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Martinez's big break came in 2007, when he hooked up with adviser Sampson Lewkowicz, whose reputation for unearthing unknown but high-quality fighters around the world and putting them on a path to bigger stardom is well known. He did it with featherweight titleholder Chris John and lightweight star Michael Katsidis. And he also did it with another fighter you might have heard of -- Pacquiao. Lewkowicz is responsible for bringing him to the United States from the Philippines in 2001.
Lewkowicz had done a good job helping former junior middleweight champ Javier Castillejo of Spain secure some notable fights in the Unites States, including one with Oscar De La Hoya. Castillejo's manager, Ricardo Sanchez Atocha, also managed Martinez. Atocha and Lewkowicz got along well and Lewkowicz liked what he saw in Martinez and began advising him.
Lewkowicz said he is not surprised that Martinez has earned recognition as one of the world's best fighters.
"I thought he would be what he is today, nothing less," Lewkowicz said.
But getting a top American promoter to see the same thing he did was not so easy.
"I was very surprised that nobody wanted to sign him," Lewkowicz said. "No promoters wanted to do that or wanted to see what I saw. I cannot teach them."
He had offered Martinez to multiple promoters, including Golden Boy and Top Rank.
"But they looked at the Argentinean fighters as good opponents because they have a quality to give a good show, but nobody thought about trying to take him to the next level," Lewkowicz said.
He had also sent a DVD of Martinez's fights to Lou DiBella, who was "blown away."
"I always believed I had a pretty good eye for talent," DiBella said. "When Sampson sent this DVD around I looked at it and I didn't know anything about him and I was like, 'Oh my God, where did this guy come from?' He wasn't fighting King Kong, but he was fighting top European talent and he was playing with these guys. And I also saw speed and power. I was blown away. And I have always had a lot of faith in Sampson's eye.
"I was like, 'how is this guy not already a world champion?' And then I met him and he looks like a movie star and is the most humble guy you could ever meet. I felt that he was special and he had unusual gifts. The looks, the charm, but also a combination of power and speed."
DiBella signed Martinez almost immediately, agreeing to pay him good money -- about $30,000 for his first three fights -- considering those first few bouts would not be televised.
"I thought it was like Christmas morning when I looked at the DVD," DiBella said.
After a few smaller fights, DiBella secured Martinez a fight on HBO against Alex Bunema in October 2008 and he turned in a sensational performance in an eighth-round knockout. That led to another HBO fight against former welterweight titlist Cintron for an interim junior middleweight belt. Martinez fought extremely well and even scored a knockout until it was overturned by the referee after he had called off the fight. Then Martinez settled for a stunning draw in a fight most believed he had clearly won.
With Martinez's reputation soaring after the performance against Cintron, he was in the right place at the right time when Pavlik dropped out of the Williams fight. Martinez was set to fight on the undercard as a backup in case Pavlik, who had already dropped out of the fight once previously, pulled out again. When he did, Martinez was elevated to the main event to face Williams on short notice.
They waged their epic fight, which led to Martinez's championship win against Pavlik in April. And here we are with the Martinez-Williams rematch at hand.
Martinez intends to put a beating on Williams, just the same way Williams said he planned to do.
"I'm going to hurt him worse than I did in the first fight," Martinez said. "I think I can stop Paul Williams.
"The rematch is the best thing, not only for boxing fans but for Paul and me. Both of us need closure from our last fight. We need to know that the result is final this time."
When welterweight prospect Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, already one of Mexico's most popular fighters at age 20, demolished former champ Carlos Baldomir in September on the undercard of the Shane Mosley-Sergio Mora HBO PPV card, it sounded as though most of the 13,591 at Staples Center in Los Angeles were there to cheer for Alvarez, who scored a highlight reel KO in the sixth round.
When Alvarez (34-0-1, 26 KOs) returns to action to face former junior welterweight titlist Lovemore N'Dou, on Dec. 4 in Veracruz, Mexico, fight fans in the U.S. will be able to see this bout, too, after Golden Boy Promotions made a deal with HBO Latino, HBO's Spanish-language network, to broadcast it live (11:30 p.m. ET).
"I think it's a very significant fight for Canelo and another big test for him," Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer said. "It's a dangerous fight. We are very happy that the fight will be televised in the United States so his fans here will be able to see him again."
"I am looking forward to another great fight and will be prepared to use all of my boxing skills to beat the very experienced Lovemore N'Dou," Alvarez said. "I promise to bring home a victory for all the people of Veracruz who recently suffered great losses from a hurricane. I will bring joy and satisfaction to the people that have suffered."
N'Dou (48-11-2, 31 KOs), who has never been stopped in his 17-year career, believes his immense experience will carry the day. "This fight is an example of experience versus youth," he said. "Experience will prevail this time. I've watched a few of his fights and there's no doubt that he's got talent, but I just don't see how he can beat me with all the experience I have."
In the co-feature, Mexico's Daniel Ponce De Leon (40-2, 33 KOs), a featherweight contender who crushed Antonio Escalante in three rounds on the same Sept. 18 undercard as Alvarez-Baldomir, faces Argentina's Sergio Medina (35-3, 20 KOs).
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Super middleweight prospect Edwin Rodriguez (17-0, 13 KOs), who is coming off a dominant ninth-round knockout of James McGirt Jr. on Showtime's "ShoBox" on Nov. 5, returns to face Aaron Pryor Jr. on Jan. 14 in the co-feature of the season premier of ESPN2's "Friday Night Fights." Middleweight Peter Manfredo Jr. headlines the card in Key West, Fla. Pryor (15-2, 11 KOs), the son of the Hall of Famer with the same name, outpointed Dyah Davis in an eight-rounder on the Rodriguez-McGirt undercard.
Rodriguez, 25, is getting some of the best sparring a young fighter can get. He recently worked with Daniel Geale in Australia as Geale was preparing for a middleweight title eliminator against Roman Karmazin. Now, Rodriguez has been in camp as one of Carl Froch's main sparring partners as he prepares for his Super Six fight with Arthur Abraham. When that camp is over, Rodriguez is headed to Canada to work with light heavyweight champ Jean Pascal and middleweight prospect David Lemieux, both of whom have fights coming up.
"Edwin is getting the best sparring in the world, which is helping him develop," promoter Lou DiBella said. "Froch thinks the kid is terrific and said he was one of the best young guys he's been in the ring with. He's not going in with a sparring partner mentality, and that's what the guys like about him. I think this kid is good enough to hold his own and be a great sparring partner for them while also gaining incredible experience getting ready for his own fights."
• Junior middleweight titlist Sergei Dzinziruk's next fight will be on HBO, co-promoter Gary Shaw told ESPN.com. "First quarter of 2011," Shaw said. "I had a meeting with HBO on Monday, and he was a big part of the discussion. They said they would put him on in the first quarter. I gave them a list of opponents we would have no problem fighting. I would say you're looking at February or March." Shaw said the list of opponents Dzinziruk (37-0, 23 KOs) is willing to face includes Miguel Cotto, the winner of Saturday night's Sergio Martinez-Paul Williams rematch, Vanes Martirosyan or Kermit Cintron. "We're not looking to hide from anyone," Shaw said. Dzinziruk made his American debut in his last fight, stopping Daniel Dawson in the 10th round on Showtime in his sixth title defense. It was Dzinziruk's first fight in 18 months, partly because of a dispute with former promoter Universum.
• Top Rank has finalized its "In Harm's Way" pay-per-view card on Dec. 4 from the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif. It has added featherweight contender Miguel Angel "Mikey" Garcia (23-0, 19 KOs), who will open the telecast against Alejandro Perez (14-2-1, 9 KOs). The other televised bouts are: middleweight Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. against Alfonso Gomez in the main event, with Nonito Donaire against Wladimir Sidorenko in a bantamweight bout and lightweight titlist Humberto Soto defending against Urbano Antillon.
• Top Rank announced a pair of notable cards in Mexico that will be part of its "Top Rank Live" series on Fox Deportes. Junior flyweight champ Giovani Segura (25-1-1, 21 KOs), who might face Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon in a rematch of their August fight of the year candidate in the spring, will fight a flyweight bout against Manuel Vargas (28-6-1, 13 KOs) on Nov. 27 in Tijuana. Also on the card, lightweight titlist Miguel Vazquez, who won a vacant belt via decision against Ji Hoon Kim in August, makes his first defense against Ricardo Dominguez. On the Dec. 11 card in Torreon, junior bantamweight titlist Juan Alberto Rosas (32-5, 26 KOs), who won his belt via sixth-round knockout of Simphiwe Nongqayi in July, makes his first defense against former unified titlist Cristian Mijares (40-6-2, 18 KOs). That card also will see former three-division champ Marco Antonio Barrera (66-7, 43 KOs) in action in a lightweight bout against an opponent to be named.
• The long-discussed fight between former three-division champ Erik Morales (50-6, 35 KOs) and former junior lightweight titlist Jorge Barrios (50-4-1, 35 KOs) is on for Dec. 18 in Morales' hometown of Tijuana, Mexico, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com. "Yes, it's set," Schaefer said. "I will be meeting with Erik [on Friday] to discuss TV." The fight will be seen throughout Mexico, but Schaefer, who promotes Barrios but works with Morales, hopes to work out television coverage in the U.S. Morales has won two fights in his comeback after a 2½-year retirement, although Barrios represents by far the most notable opponent of his return. They will fight at a contract weight of 138 pounds. Barrios returned from an 11-month layoff on Oct. 1 to take a lopsided 10-round decision from Wilson Alcorro.
• British welterweight contender Kell Brook (22-0, 15 KOs) watched Philadelphia's Mike Jones (23-0, 18 KOs) struggle to a majority decision win against Jesus Soto-Karass on the Manny Pacquiao-Antonio Margarito undercard and is hoping to face Jones early next year. A fight between them for an interim title has been discussed by their promoters. "I've been looking at some fights of Jones and, of course, saw his fight at the weekend," Brook said. "He's a good fighter but I don't think I've got anything to fear from him. I'm within touching distance of that world title, and I'm very excited because I know that it's going to be mine." Before a possible Jones fight, Brook has a Dec. 11 bout against Michael Clark. "I'll knock Clark out early, and then Jones will have nowhere to hide," Brook said. "I've always said that I want to win a world title in style, and what better way to do it than by taking on an unbeaten American who is getting plenty of hype. Jones can box and he can punch, but he can't beat me."
• Mexico's 22-year-old Juan Carlos Burgos (25-0, 18 KOs) is headed to Japan to face Hozumi Hasegawa (28-3, 12 KOs), a former bantamweight titlist, for a vacant featherweight title Nov. 26. Although Hasegawa, 29, lost his bantamweight belt via fourth-round knockout to Fernando Montiel in an April unification fight, the WBC is giving him a shot at the vacant featherweight belt, which it unceremoniously stripped from injured Elio Rojas. Burgos, the nephew of former flyweight titlist Victor Burgos, knows he is going into enemy territory and said he is ready. "I think every boxer has goals to make it to a world title fight," Burgos said. "My trainers, my family, my promoters and my fans have high hopes for me. It's now up to me to bring back this championship to Mexico, a dream I had since I was a young boy. Hasegawa is a valiant and legendary champion in Japan, and it will a be a huge honor for me to trade leather with him." Although Burgos is ready for battle inside the ring, he showed class by extending his condolences to Hasegawa on the recent death of his mother from cancer. "I just learned that he lost his mother a couple of weeks ago, and I want to send him and his family my deepest condolences," Burgos said. "I am sure he has gone through a very rough time but he is still going to fight me, and I take my hat off to him."
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"This is going to be a very difficult fight. I'm not taking anything for granted. I'm going to have to be at my best for this fight, but it's going to be a fight that fans are going to love. They're going to love this fight because I have a feeling it's going to be the fight of the year. I'm going to give my part. I know that Michael's going to come to fight. He's going to give his part." -- lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez, on his title defense against Michael Katsidis on Nov. 27 (HBO) at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas
"I love fighting. Even better, I love winning. That's exactly what I'm coming to you to do." -- Katsidis, on challenging Marquez