⚽️The Footy Thread: Lock Thread

[Beans]

think silva is more important to city then KDB still but mans deff got the sauce

 

[jape]

Busquets will retire at Barcelona

busquets >

 

[LA Diggler]

Pogba v. KDB is an interesting debate. The only thing I’m giving KDB over Pogba is shooting. Got to give passing to Pogba because he has more range. Pogba is also the better dribbler of the two. If you go past the eye test and look at the statistics, Pogba also comes out ahead this season.

http://www.squawka.com/news/pogba-h...-actually-compare/1007771#yPksBSbLYMLbs33O.97

 

[jape]

american goat picks the goat

 

[rolaholic]

The thing about Pogba thats so impressive to me is that technically he's a CM yet his influence and effectiveness in attack is at the level you'd expect from elite CAM's

Dude has just about everything in his locker skill wise

KDB is a baller and a top 5 player in the world right now but there isn't another MF that offers all that Pogba can imo.

 

[mastamind89]

 

[Armada]

Pogba v. KDB is an interesting debate. The only thing I’m giving KDB over Pogba is shooting. Got to give passing to Pogba because he has more range. Pogba is also the better dribbler of the two. If you go past the eye test and look at the statistics, Pogba also comes out ahead this season.

http://www.squawka.com/news/pogba-h...-actually-compare/1007771#yPksBSbLYMLbs33O.97

I agree Pogba is the better dribbler (although KDB is no slouch dribbling when he wants to) but their passing range is actually fairly equal. KDB can make any pass to anywhere on the pitch i've seen him ping balls I thought where at impossible angles the last few years from all ranges.

I also think KDB is better playing in a deeper role. How many people in this thread have said to get the best out of Pogba he needs to be higher up the pitch United fan or not after seeing him being utilzied in a deep role with France and under Jose at times and his impact on the game is not felt like it would be if he was higher up. KDB is just as effective as a deep lying play maker as he is further up the pitch

Something the article link pointed out they both have 9 assists but KDB has created far more chances 68 compared to 27 so just the 9 assists dont tell the full story there imo. Even after adjusting it to average per game KDB is still creating 1 more chance than him per game. It depends on what stats are presented that show him coming out on top or not

 

[rck3sactown]

 

[PRIME]

You guys are comparing a KDB playing under the perfect manager to take full advantage of his skills to a Pogba who’s been playing out of his natural position for the better part of him time at united?

Imagine if Pogba was playing for Pep...

De Bruyne isn't "better" than Pogba. He's playing under a manager who is taking full advantage of his talent.

Mkhi has been buns all season. Send him to Man City next summer and cats will be scratching their heads at the night and day difference.

This is the same De Bruyne who also had a forgettable career under Jose Mourinho. KDB, Ozil, Pogba... Jose has had them all..

Having said all that, Pogba has still been balling.. He and KDB are on another level.

 

[rolaholic]

Ozil also balled under Mou at Real tbf. There's always context behind a lot of the 'flops' he's had so you've gotta judge them on a case by case basis whether it came down to superior competition in the squad at the time or a player just not being good enough at the time.

 

[LA Diggler]

I agree Pogba is the better dribbler (although KDB is no slouch dribbling when he wants to) but their passing range is actually fairly equal. KDB can make any pass to anywhere on the pitch i've seen him ping balls I thought where at impossible angles the last few years from all ranges.

I also think KDB is better playing in a deeper role. How many people in this thread have said to get the best out of Pogba he needs to be higher up the pitch United fan or not after seeing him being utilzied in a deep role with France and under Jose at times and his impact on the game is not felt like it would be if he was higher up. KDB is just as effective as a deep lying play maker as he is further up the pitch

Funny, that’s actually one of the reasons I gave the nod to Pogba. Pogba’s strengths are more suited to that role than KDB imo. I know KDB was playing a bit deeper this year but he was never the deepest of the three in midfield right? Thought he was just playing in a more all action box to box type role. I remember the KDB pass to Sane last year against Spurs but I’m really struggling to think of KDB every showing the capacity to do this.


Pogba does his job when he plays deeper. But when you’ve seen what he can do closer up the pitch it just seems like a waste of his abilities. The same would be said if KDB was playing in a two-man midfield or at the base of a midfield three.

The chance creation bit I would put down to position on the pitch. Jose has only recently given Pogba more freedom on the pitch. As stated earlier, the fact that he’s able to create so much while sitting deep with defensive responsibilities speaks to his immense talent.

Would take KDB over Pogba as 10, would take Pogba in every other midfield role.

 

[Armada]

Funny, that’s actually one of the reasons I gave the nod to Pogba. Pogba’s strengths are more suited to that role than KDB imo. I know KDB was playing a bit deeper this year but he was never the deepest of the three in midfield right? Thought he was just playing in a more all action box to box type role. I remember the KDB pass to Sane last year against Spurs but I’m really struggling to think of KDB every showing the capacity to do this.


Pogba does his job when he plays deeper. But when you’ve seen what he can do closer up the pitch it just seems like a waste of his abilities. The same would be said if KDB was playing in a two-man midfield or at the base of a midfield three.

The chance creation bit I would put down to position on the pitch. Jose has only recently given Pogba more freedom on the pitch. As stated earlier, the fact that he’s able to create so much while sitting deep with defensive responsibilities speaks to his immense talent.

Would take KDB over Pogba as 10, would take Pogba in every other midfield role.

Yea KDB has had a couple really great long range passes and switches of play.
This pass to Sane vs Arsenal

And this pass to Sterlings vs Arsenal come to mind

This ones on the ground but still a great long range pass that took out 4 defenders and was put exactly where it needed to be

KDB is more box to box but there will be some stretches off the game where he will pick up the ball in between the CB's if Pep wants to speed up the build up. So depending on the game situation he could end up being the deepest of the 3 especially if we are chasing a game. I would agree but KDB's chance creation has not come from an advanced role its come from him playing in a deeper role than he previously used to. He's been playing deeper since last season under Pep and lead the league in assists playing deeper and is on pace to do that again this year getting even better in that role. KDB he is a complete midfielder now and can match up with dudes who have been playing in that CM role longer already. I just think the perception is taking a while to catch up to the reality but he's truly a better 8 than he was a 10

 

[nomadicsole21]

KDB as well is played out of position. You guys saying KDB doesnt have the range of passing is straight disrespect. His crossing is better than Pogba and his vision to switch either Sane or Sterling is world class.

KDB playing "better" because of a manager is disrespect too. 21 league assists the season he was at Wolfsburg, where was Pep? He balled under Pellegrini too so its all Pep.

KDB isnt played as a 10 for City. Him and Silva come back on defense quite a bit thats why we play out wide so much on our counters and even on attack. He plays as deep a role as Pogba at times. People thinking KDB being in an advanced attacking position is why he thrives is telling a false narrative.

My last and final main point is if KDB was forced to be the only playmaker he'd have more assists. D. Silva, B. Silva, Sane, Gundogan those guys can pass as well. In Peps style of play sometimes you gotta make the pass for the other guy to get the assist.

 

[nomadicsole21]

Armada you need to find that pass he did against West Brom to Sane too, straight filth. If KDB was in a Real Madrid or Barca shirt he'd be discussed as a top 3/5 midfielder.

 

[sfc415]

Armada you need to find that pass he did against West Brom to Sane too, straight filth. If KDB was in a Real Madrid or Barca shirt he'd be discussed as a top 3/5 midfielder.

Or if he danced and had outrageous haircuts. Dudes thinking he doesn't have range because he doesn't make unnecessary long passes that lead to nothing (not saying that applies to Pogba, but it does apply to most players in the Prem)

 

[LA Diggler]

Yea KDB has had a couple really great long range passes and switches of play.
This pass to Sane vs Arsenal

And this pass to Sterlings vs Arsenal come to mind

This ones on the ground but still a great long range pass that took out 4 defenders and was put exactly where it needed to be

KDB is more box to box but there will be some stretches off the game where he will pick up the ball in between the CB's if Pep wants to speed up the build up. So depending on the game situation he could end up being the deepest of the 3 especially if we are chasing a game. I would agree but KDB's chance creation has not come from an advanced role its come from him playing in a deeper role than he previously used to. He's been playing deeper since last season under Pep and lead the league in assists playing deeper and is on pace to do that again this year getting even better in that role. KDB he is a complete midfielder now and can match up with dudes who have been playing in that CM role longer already. I just think the perception is taking a while to catch up to the reality but he's truly a better 8 than he was a 10

He did a segment with Henry for Sky awhile back highlighting his deeper role this year so I think it’s starting to change or at least get noticed. How often are you lot chasing a game lol. Agree with him being a complete midfielder now. Something else I can give him in this is decision making. Pogba can sometimes hang onto the ball too long because he’s so good at shielding it. Also sometimes he picks the more difficult ball to play when a simpler choice is available. On chance creation, Pogba is more restricted than KDB. We don’t have a fluid interchangeable midfield three. In fact, our midfield sucks lol. Would be interesting to see what part of the pitch did their assist come from.


Also saying someone has more range than someone else doesn’t mean you are saying the other person has no range

 

[rolaholic]

Becks gets idolized and celebrated for his haircuts,Pogs gets dragged and has his character attacked for his

Always funny how that works

Armada you need to find that pass he did against West Brom to Sane too, straight filth. If KDB was in a Real Madrid or Barca shirt he'd be discussed as a top 3/5 midfielder.

He already is though tbf,at least to anyone who knows footy

 

[Beans]

Or if he danced and had outrageous haircuts. Dudes thinking he doesn't have range because he doesn't make unnecessary long passes that lead to nothing (not saying that applies to Pogba, but it does apply to most players in the Prem)

Graeme Souness.. is that you?

 

[sfc415]

Becks gets idolized and celebrated for his haircuts,Pogs gets dragged and has his character attacked for his

Always funny how that works

He already is though tbf,at least to anyone who knows footy

No one is attacking Pogba. Did I say anything negative about him? Quote me

KDB looks like some random unassuming dude off the street. He doesn't have a flashy presence and personality compared to Pogba and many other "superstars" so he gets overlooked by casual and new fans. Tell me how that's wrong and inaccurate?

 

[Beans]

smh lets not pretend like KDB is some underrated player.. they call him ginger messi for christ's sake

 

[sfc415]

Who is they? Football fans who have been watching for years, right? Not new fans like @osh kosh bosh who barely even knows who KDB is and self admittedly just started watching him recently.

That's not a shot at @osh kosh bosh, but KDB does not have the personality or playing style appeal to new or casual fans like Pogba does.

If you go to some random young person on the street, is he or she more likely to know and follow Pogba or KDB?

 

[Beans]

Maybe, but wtf does that have to do with the discussion.. this conversation wasn't based on a casual fan perspective.

 

[sfc415]

Maybe, but wtf does that have to do with the discussion.. this conversation wasn't based on a casual fan perspective.

What? The first quote that started this discussion was someone not knowing who KDB is and deciding he was less talented than Pogba after watching a handful of matches, going as far as calling the debate "absurd", as if the two aren't at the same level

Heard his name a lot, then I watched him play, and now I personally find the suggestion to be absurd.


but hey what do i know.

Increase your attention span before feeling "attacked"

 

[Beans]

i don't know @osh kosh bosh personally, but i would assume anyone that frequents a forum/thread dedicated to a sport would be more than a casual fan. Maybe you should pay closer attention because he was saying he's watched him but wasn't overly impressed and thought pogba was better.. not that he didnt know who he was and just assumed pogba was better.. you made a stupid *** comment about pogba being a haircut/dance and you backtracking.. i see you

and you can miss me with that attack ish..

 

[tsamshox]

Pogba deal looking better though after every transfer window and his improvement. Thanks Juve....glad y’all are enjoying Higuain