Why do Nike Retros not look and fit like OG's....?

[swerv1n]

I've always wondered why Nike Retros always look and fit different from the original shoe. Why would the quality be any different? Is it impossible tofollow the same blueprint from the original kicks? Or does Nike just not want to make an original version twice? I dont git it? Why call it a retro when reallyits not the same shoe? Maybe the Retro Foam Ones look the most like the OG's but what else. Like making the Jumpman backwards on the 11/12 CDP. Forexample why cant the Jordan XI Retro look and fit just like the original J XI? And dont say it does cause u know it dont...

 

[mjsaver]

sup swerve.

Honestly i dont think anything that gets remade is exactly like the original.

Im sure NIKE could try harder, but ive been buyin sneaks for a while.

And to me its not that big of a difference, maybe a lil bit less cushion or cheaper leather.

I still got my og columbia xi's and theres not a huge difference from the cdp xi's , maybe the make yours cheaper because of your big feet lol.

Most of the time its mental imo, dudes just wanna feel better bout og's and look down at retroes.

 

[imrichboy]

can't complain! not paying big bucks for og's

 

[duerr]

I haven't really noticed or felt the difference myself. I'll believe it when I see a side-by-side surgery of a retro release and a OG shoe, and can seethe differences in quality/construction.

Also, I think some people idolize a shoe so much that when they finally do get their hands on a retro, they had their expectations built up so high that theonly possible outcome is that they be disappointed.

I'm sure there are some differences in manufacturing and materials, but I highly doubt Nike would would put our a product they didn't fully believe wasgood stuff.

 

[shawn_chrystafur]

I've noticed that.. my Penny 2's arent as comfortable as the OGs.. but what I was reading in sole collector that it was hard to make a shoe exactly thesame that they made the first time.. why? I dont know.. but thats just what they said..

 

[diddydadagger]

it just doesnt work out that way. things would easily be more expensive and there are all sort of tedious things that people who want things to be like theywere previously are overlooked but play a huge part in why things are the same. $ is the biggest obvious reason but there are decisions that are made thatarent too favorable. I feel there is a way to emulate quality in a win/win scenario while still remaining cost effetive.

 

[DownByLaw]

My take on this whole scenerio is that a lot of molds for these shoes were either destroyed or fell apart over the years. You have to think that Nikewasn't thinking to themselves, "hey this shoe is going to command a demand in 20 years from now, lets freeze the mold".

For some shoes that actually can be made exactly the same way, I figure Nikecuts corners for cost reasons and aims to get the shoe to resemble the original knowing that most people will purchase the shoe regardless.

 

[charmcitykid]

anyone who says there's no big difference between ogs or 1st retros and what is released nowadays (at least as far as jb is concerned) is fckn BLIND!

 

[urn0tlike]

Only retro i feel a difference in that I have is the bred xi from the cdp. Fits way diff.

 

[cadillacflow]

Originally Posted by MJsaver

I still got my og columbia xi's and theres not a huge difference from the cdp xi's

 

[abernja]

CDP XI =

Presto Retro =

Penny 1 Retro = Ok, but not like the OG's at all.
Foams =

That's about all I can say from my personal experiences.

 

[abernja]

Originally Posted by duerr

Some people idolize a shoe so much that when they finally do get their hands on a retro, they had their expectations built up so high that the only possible outcome is that they be disappointed.

This man speaks the TRUTH! - I'm guilty of this.

 

[air23jordanxiii]

aw swervn, not you too.....

 

[midnitegreen]

well obviously people buying retros are buying them for nostalgia and looks first rather than performance, so i think Nike takes advantage of this by cuttingcosts as many ways as possible while still maintaining the original look.

 

[inine5]

maybe cuz you're feet are bigger now than they were 10-15 years ago....

 

[icqboy51]

lucky enough to get the shoe/ colorway retroed... let alone the 'right' quality, look, fit ...

you know the ******s who work at JB... especially whoever is responsible for choosing the colorways for retro.

 

[mjsaver]

Originally Posted by CadillacFLOW

Originally Posted by MJsaver

I still got my og columbia xi's and theres not a huge difference from the cdp xi's

funny because......instead of wearin shoes u examinin em with a magnifying glass.

notice i said theres not a huge difference.

only ppl stressing over this is the NT POLICE, when u throw most of the cdp

kicks on nobody except sneakersexuals is noticing an 1/8 inch of patent leather.

or say yoooooo you got a lil bit less cushion around the ankles. Throw the kicks on

and rockem, dont obsess over minimal details. 90% of us rockin em casually anyway

 

[ihavemyownopinion]

Because it's cheaper for them

People are gonna buy them either way
so they take advantage of consumers and lower the quality
to make more profit. Also remember that retros are more expensive now than the
OG's were when they originally released

 

[sole investigator]

And I quote from Sole Collector Nov/Dec 2008 Issue #25: "To bring back a shoe is actually harder than to just design a new one," explains Marc Dolce."The shape of the toe may not be

what we would want to manufacture today, but we try to keep it original." That attitude may not always endear them to the developers. "Developerssay, 'You can't do that, its toe is too

low.' And, I'll say, whether it is Jordan or Pippen or Barkely, 'Those guys wore it back then and they played in it. Even though our standard maychange, kids will still know.'"As the times

have changes, so have the processes these developers have at their disposal. Kevin Dodson, Urban Indie Developer, explains that "manufacturing techniquesare so evolved from where

they were when a lot of these models came out - that processes and machinery, just the learnings that the company's had over the years."


Straight from the horses mouth. Hope this helps you guys out.

 

[swerv1n]

I can understand it could be harder to bring one back than to make a new one. But to say that as the times change the ways to make shoes change is really noexcuse. It should be easier to do it as technology advance. Unless the shoe game is movin backwards. It seems like they could take an OG Jordan XI and put itin some kinda laser scanner then measure an duplicate it's exact dimensions to a T.....I know that's sounds extreme but it's 2009 not 1995. Butthat was a good article very informative. It kinda shines a light on what the developers are thinkin when they try to retro something. Thanx

 

[kapepper]

Originally Posted by duerr

I haven't really noticed or felt the difference myself. I'll believe it when I see a side-by-side surgery of a retro release and a OG shoe, and can see the differences in quality/construction.

Also, I think some people idolize a shoe so much that when they finally do get their hands on a retro, they had their expectations built up so high that the only possible outcome is that they be disappointed.

I'm sure there are some differences in manufacturing and materials, but I highly doubt Nike would would put our a product they didn't fully believe was good stuff.

"some" differences
let's say the following:

if we are lucky: the shoes "look" the same
but in general, they will never fit the same: totally different purpose of Nike retros
Nike retro is a "lifestyle" shoe
the OGs were, mostly,profesional material

here is a comparison post i made in my blog
strructure retro vs structure OG
http://vintageheatt.blogspot.com/2009/02/air-structure-og-versus-retro.html


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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HXFSVI5yUOY/SY28I3OYVrI/AAAAAAAAAes/X0r88zYzTWY/s1600-h/DSC_0609.JPG

http:// [h4]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HXFSVI5yUOY/SY28I3OYVrI/AAAAAAAAAes/X0r88zYzTWY/s1600-h/DSC_0609.JPGhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HXFSVI5yUOY/SY28I3OYVrI/AAAAAAAAAes/X0r88zYzTWY/s1600-h/DSC_0609.JPG http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HXFSVI5yUOY/SY28I3OYVrI/AAAAAAAAAes/X0r88zYzTWY/s1600-h/DSC_0609.JPG[/h4]
PS. the retro structures are imo one of the better retros (respecting the OGSdesignwise)
technology used in OGs is totally different

 

[mjsaver]

nice pix, we need more of that.

of course there will be a slight difference,

but is are the changes big enough to keep you awake at night???

 

[trethousandgt]

great comparison you can definitely see that the shape of the shoe is very off but the color placement is pretty much dead on, Nike could make a dead on retroif they wanted to believe that, look what they have done with the whole Vandal vintage, Blazer vintage editions, the fit and shape on those are pretty muchdead on, they went to the extent of pre yellowing them

Nike can do it if they want to, they choose not to.

 

[ogfiend]

- For the most pair, today's retro are made using cheaper materials just like anything else nike makes.
- They aren't built for performance
- Nike knows people will still buy the retro even it looks and feels different (and a lot of you who accept smaller air units and crap like that are to blamefor this!).


I bought some structure retros and although they looked good and were light and comfy, the paint chipped after 2 wears. Honestly, I think thats just beyondsad. It really reminded my why I focus on buying older releases.

 

[sole investigator]

Originally Posted by Swerv1n

I can understand it could be harder to bring one back than to make a new one. But to say that as the times change the ways to make shoes change is really no excuse. It should be easier to do it as technology advance. Unless the shoe game is movin backwards. It seems like they could take an OG Jordan XI and put it in some kinda laser scanner then measure an duplicate it's exact dimensions to a T.....I know that's sounds extreme but it's 2009 not 1995. But that was a good article very informative. It kinda shines a light on what the developers are thinkin when they try to retro something. Thanx

No problem. I know what you mean tho. But from what I hear, there isn't a whole lot of simple things when it comes to doing stuff like that.There are many different factors that not many of the consumers would think about that are weighing in on these things.