Andrew Tate. DONE.

[trynafeelmink]

Who would yall say were the "key demo" for Kevin Samuels? I thought he was giving advice to women.

Not going to front like i'm an avid watcher of Kev Samuel's but from watching various clips over the years i think people just threw him into this redpill/manosphere **** because he wouldn't sugarcoat his talks with women.

It seems like a very large part of his audience were actually women & even though the advice wasn't always "nice"they seemed to actually look for his advice. Also from everything i've seen about dude he wasn't on this it's all woman's fault thing. He would quickly call dudes out for being losers & expecting top tier women w/o doing anywork.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Yea, I started watching those KS clips toward the end of his run and he seemed to call dudes out quite a bit.

Like others have said, I guess it's easy to just group all "game advisers" into the same category even if they were fundamentally different. (Basing this from what yall say Tate is about)

 

[Belgium]

Who would yall say were the "key demo" for Kevin Samuels? I thought he was giving advice to women.

From what I know, I would say it’s mostly women. A lot of what I knew about him was urging women to have more realistic standards. I think the actual demographic is likely closer to a 50/50 split.
Getting so much social media exposure was definitely largely due to his male demographic though.

 

[jape]

yeah after recently listening to some of tate’s quotes i don’t think the two are all that similar.

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[deusavertat]

Ok I was tapping my feet a little bit.

 

[Brownstone]

Who would yall say were the "key demo" for Kevin Samuels? I thought he was giving advice to women.

I would say his target demo was definitely men, I know nobody in real life that rocked with him that was a woman. Shockingly all the women I put on him thought he was spewing nonsense (denial)

I would say Kevins specific target was men aged 25-35 and putting into context just how radical the expectations that we as men in this demographic were encountering. By seeing exactly how prevalent the expectations of 6 figure incomes and how men that make that are typically in their mid-late 40's he was speaking to a lot of men that were having trouble bagging women with these expectations.

I think two things can be true, I think Kevin was a game changer-especially for black men, because time and time again we are told WE are the problem with the lack of black women that are married. Also, in the end Kevin was a brilliant marketer who was really good at inviting the same delusional types onto his show. I think he knew this was how he kept getting views. After a while the content got stale as I can only take so many Cinnabon employees that think they deserve CEO's and business owners and should never have to work again.

If I were him, I would have started to share more examples of black women who had ended up being wifed up AFTER being delusional and exactly what changed their thought processes.

 

[Present]

These days you're either a "simp" or a misogynist / a "pick-me" or a misandrist.

No middle ground.

 

[deusavertat]

Not going to front like i'm an avid watcher of Kev Samuel's but from watching various clips over the years i think people just threw him into this redpill/manosphere **** because he wouldn't sugarcoat his talks with women.

It seems like a very large part of his audience were actually women & even though the advice wasn't always "nice"they seemed to actually look for his advice. Also from everything i've seen about dude he wasn't on this it's all woman's fault thing. He would quickly call dudes out for being losers & expecting top tier women w/o doing anywork.

The scale seemed to be tipped toward chosing women who have delusions of grandeur to give his male subscribers a false sense that women are generally unreasonable and men are not to be blamed for their inability to obtain them. Im not sure if that was his intent but its what ended up happening. His main audience appears to feeding men's confirmation bias.

Of course said low value men will skip over the parts where they get ridiculed for not bringing enough to the table.

 

[deusavertat]

 

[fluid hips]

Kevin had credentials. He was an engineer. Quit that then switched fields to marketing. He was the top producer in his company apparently.

 

[deusavertat]

One of Samuels titles

"Women are wasting their years being a boss chick"

You really think Tate type misogynistic fanboys wont jump on that?

He picks the dumbest women to interview though, Ill give him that.

 

[WASHED KING]

One of Samuels titles

"Women are wasting their years being a boss chick"

You really think Tate type misogynistic fanboys wont jump on that?

He picks the dumbest women to interview though, Ill give him that.

Unless there’s a super car in the video, and talking about physically beating up people then no lol

 

[deusavertat]

Unless there’s a super car in the video, and talking about physically beating up people then no lol

I said he attracts the same type of men in an obviously less toxic way. Samuels cant afford to rent 30 whips.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I think Kevin Samuels and Tate are on the same side of the misogynist bell curve.

But Tate is a wild dude, so he is a few standard deviations away from KS.

Also, Tate is generally an extremely low-character person in a way KS was not.

 

[freeze]

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

i always forget that KS used to review fragrances lol

 

[deusavertat]

i always forget that KS used to review fragrances lol

Lavender estrem for you uppitty n

 

[trynafeelmink]

The scale seemed to be tipped toward chosing women who have delusions of grandeur to give his male subscribers a false sense that women are generally unreasonable and men are not to be blamed for their inability to obtain them. Im not sure if that was his intent but its what ended up happening. His main audience appears to feeding men's confirmation bias.

Of course said low value men will skip over the parts where they get ridiculed for not bringing enough to the table.

This simply isn't true tho, His clips "attacking" women are the ones that received the most attention because it helped to try & drag him into this ******** manosphere, i hate women lane when he continuously spoke publicly on his intentions.

In today's climate there is no room for a gray area, so if he belittles men & clowns their insecurities it's funny & acceptable, he does the same to women & it's misogynistic, abusive & disrespectful

 

[finessence]

This simply isn't true tho, His clips "attacking" women are the ones that received the most attention because it helped to try & drag him into this bull**** manosphere, i hate women lane when he continuously spoke publicly on his intentions.

In today's climate there is no room for a gray area, so if he belittles men & clowns their insecurities it's funny & acceptable, he does the same to women & it's misogynistic, abusive & disrespectful

The funny thing is most of us consume hip hop culture. Which I love. Rappers are worse than a Kevin Samuels and get praised for what they do…. But kevin samuels is where the line is drawn

They hate Kevin Samuels because he kept it blood raw. And he didn’t pick a side. He went off on men and women.

Since when do adults need to be coddled like children?!?! Participation trophies have made their way into adulthood??? Nah, it doesn’t work that way

 

[deusavertat]

This simply isn't true tho, His clips "attacking" women are the ones that received the most attention because it helped to try & drag him into this bull**** manosphere, i hate women lane when he continuously spoke publicly on his intentions.

In today's climate there is no room for a gray area, so if he belittles men & clowns their insecurities it's funny & acceptable, he does the same to women & it's misogynistic, abusive & disrespectful

His insecure male fans are fueling this assessment of him, whether it was his intention or not. If this were really about grey areas he would bring more balanced people to interview but thats not getting any likes.

 

[Air Champa]

From my thankfully limited observations of these dudes, it seems like they'll say something there's a little truth to then run wild with it. I even saw brief clip of Tate saying one thing I'd agree with, but then there's EVERYTHING else.

I guess that's the game. Still boggles my mind anyone would call in and ask these people their opinions on anything.

 

[finessence]

From my thankfully limited observations of these dudes, it seems like they'll say something there's a little truth to then run wild with it. I even saw brief clip of Tate saying one thing I'd agree with, but then there's EVERYTHING else.

I guess that's the game. Still boggles my mind anyone would call in and ask these people their opinions on anything.

30 and 40 years olds calling into these dudes

 

[Air Champa]

His insecure male fans are fueling this assessment of him, whether it was his intention or not. If this were really about grey areas he would bring more balanced people to interview but thats not getting any likes.

It's all about the money at the end of the day. Folks needs to keep that in mind. It'd be like the Jerry Springer show and no one throwing a chair at someone.

I'd love to have seen someone like FD Signifier have a conversation with Samuels if it were still possible.

 

[WASHED KING]

It's all about the money at the end of the day. Folks needs to keep that in mind. It'd be like the Jerry Springer show and no one throwing a chair at someone.

I'd love to have seen someone like FD Signifier have a conversation with Samuels if it were still possible.

Even if Kevin was alive I don't think he would want to talk to FD Signifier. It would be interesting but I don't think Kevin would want those problems. That man would be too prepared for Kevin.