@hoosier bad boy 11 I cop UnderArmor from Marshalls or Ross. Only thing sometimes after a couple of washes they might start sliding off. I might look into those that @dhtowng posted.
My pairs from DSM & SVD came in. In the middle is my Kith pair. Kith to me got a tad bit softer leather & but obviously the sole is totally off. 2024 pairs are :nthat:. I'm set for the foreseeable future.